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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/09/miscellaneous-musings-post-election/#comment-1888271</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Also, as for &quot;big win&quot;, if Bush was running against a child predator and rapist in the form of Clint, as well as a criminal in the form of his wife... why wouldn&#039;t Bush II have won as great an electoral college victory?

You don&#039;t even need to smear your enemies, their allies already smeared them.

If your candidate is so horrible, they should have gotten LESS Than 50 electoral votes. The fact that they even got a 100, is why the country is messed up in the head and heart. While DC is messed up, the USA may take a little bit longer to become just as corrupt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, as for &#8220;big win&#8221;, if Bush was running against a child predator and rapist in the form of Clint, as well as a criminal in the form of his wife&#8230; why wouldn&#8217;t Bush II have won as great an electoral college victory?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t even need to smear your enemies, their allies already smeared them.</p>
<p>If your candidate is so horrible, they should have gotten LESS Than 50 electoral votes. The fact that they even got a 100, is why the country is messed up in the head and heart. While DC is messed up, the USA may take a little bit longer to become just as corrupt.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/09/miscellaneous-musings-post-election/#comment-1888257</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, anyone with the propaganda support of the Alt Right, would have done as well, if not better.

As with the Left&#039;s propaganda, that&#039;s worth about 5-10 points by itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, anyone with the propaganda support of the Alt Right, would have done as well, if not better.</p>
<p>As with the Left&#8217;s propaganda, that&#8217;s worth about 5-10 points by itself.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/09/miscellaneous-musings-post-election/#comment-1888252</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I am asking you a straight up question- which Republican candidate other than Trump, could have won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania last night?&lt;/b&gt;

Anyone that bothered to ask the people what they should be promised in return for their vote, will have gotten some of that support, although Trum&#039;s popularity empowered the promises.

The various Breitbart and grassfire surveys of what people wanted the Trum Campaign to do, for example. All of it went into the Gettsyburg address and other &quot;Presidential speeches&quot; people noticed at the end of campaign.

The Sandie Berger voters going to the Trum boat, is probably what sealed the boat, as gaining a Democrat voter for Trum is far better than gaining an &quot;undecided&quot; or &quot;independent&quot; vote. As it takes away a vote from Hillary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I am asking you a straight up question- which Republican candidate other than Trump, could have won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania last night?</b></p>
<p>Anyone that bothered to ask the people what they should be promised in return for their vote, will have gotten some of that support, although Trum&#8217;s popularity empowered the promises.</p>
<p>The various Breitbart and grassfire surveys of what people wanted the Trum Campaign to do, for example. All of it went into the Gettsyburg address and other &#8220;Presidential speeches&#8221; people noticed at the end of campaign.</p>
<p>The Sandie Berger voters going to the Trum boat, is probably what sealed the boat, as gaining a Democrat voter for Trum is far better than gaining an &#8220;undecided&#8221; or &#8220;independent&#8221; vote. As it takes away a vote from Hillary.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As for what I am concerned about, I am not concerned with people here or even elsewhere brainstorming and coming up with ideas.

What matters is how actual humans, actually implement them. The devil is in the details. So Which Czar or Dictator wannabe, is going to be put into power by King Trum to Implement this?

That is the only thing that matters. Because if that guy is a freak or a sociopath or has blackmail on him the Left can use, then it will Really matter, in terms of Power used to crush humans, not just fantasies on a computer screen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for what I am concerned about, I am not concerned with people here or even elsewhere brainstorming and coming up with ideas.</p>
<p>What matters is how actual humans, actually implement them. The devil is in the details. So Which Czar or Dictator wannabe, is going to be put into power by King Trum to Implement this?</p>
<p>That is the only thing that matters. Because if that guy is a freak or a sociopath or has blackmail on him the Left can use, then it will Really matter, in terms of Power used to crush humans, not just fantasies on a computer screen.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;That’s rather silly — you won’t be either, so why are you bothering to enter the debate about it?&lt;/b&gt;

Because I have something called free will. But that doesn&#039;t mean I think my Will is magic, that if I fear something, it&#039;ll become reality and jump out of my computer screen and kill me. There&#039;s a difference between Fantasy and exercising Power over humans.

Talking about a Point of No return as if it is something we here will be responsible for, is out of line and irrational to boot. We&#039;re just along for the ride. Once they get your votes, your use to them is over. Well, there&#039;s always taxes, right.

&lt;b&gt;Anyway, yes, none of us really knows what trump will do — that is true. And, yes, GB is expressing a wishlist.

&lt;/b&gt;

GB is brainstorming and expressing his beliefs. To counter his beliefs by saying they will pass a &quot;Point&quot;, which only exists to those in power who implement the plan, is mixing fantasy with reality here. Yes, there is a &quot;point&quot; that people will go crazy, like when Trum uses the IRS against people who talk back to him, but that won&#039;t be because GB pulls the trigger or whatever ideas he has. That&#039;ll be because of somebody else doing it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>That’s rather silly — you won’t be either, so why are you bothering to enter the debate about it?</b></p>
<p>Because I have something called free will. But that doesn&#8217;t mean I think my Will is magic, that if I fear something, it&#8217;ll become reality and jump out of my computer screen and kill me. There&#8217;s a difference between Fantasy and exercising Power over humans.</p>
<p>Talking about a Point of No return as if it is something we here will be responsible for, is out of line and irrational to boot. We&#8217;re just along for the ride. Once they get your votes, your use to them is over. Well, there&#8217;s always taxes, right.</p>
<p><b>Anyway, yes, none of us really knows what trump will do — that is true. And, yes, GB is expressing a wishlist.</p>
<p></b></p>
<p>GB is brainstorming and expressing his beliefs. To counter his beliefs by saying they will pass a &#8220;Point&#8221;, which only exists to those in power who implement the plan, is mixing fantasy with reality here. Yes, there is a &#8220;point&#8221; that people will go crazy, like when Trum uses the IRS against people who talk back to him, but that won&#8217;t be because GB pulls the trigger or whatever ideas he has. That&#8217;ll be because of somebody else doing it.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/09/miscellaneous-musings-post-election/#comment-1887885</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Unless you’re part of King Trum’s executive Czar or cabinet, there’s no reason to worry about that “point”, cause you won’t be the one making it nor will you be given power to enforce/implement it.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - Yarm

That&#039;s rather silly - you won&#039;t be either, so why are you bothering to enter the debate about it?
.

Anyway, yes, none of us really knows what trump will do - that is true.  And, yes, GB is expressing a wishlist.  

In absence of that knowledge, all we have is the hope / trust that the people trump surrounds himself with are conservative and confident enough to influence how trump exercises power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Unless you’re part of King Trum’s executive Czar or cabinet, there’s no reason to worry about that “point”, cause you won’t be the one making it nor will you be given power to enforce/implement it.&#8221;</em> &#8211; Yarm</p>
<p>That&#8217;s rather silly &#8211; you won&#8217;t be either, so why are you bothering to enter the debate about it?<br />
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<p>Anyway, yes, none of us really knows what trump will do &#8211; that is true.  And, yes, GB is expressing a wishlist.  </p>
<p>In absence of that knowledge, all we have is the hope / trust that the people trump surrounds himself with are conservative and confident enough to influence how trump exercises power.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/09/miscellaneous-musings-post-election/#comment-1887671</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 16:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;@Ymarsakar — I’m not disagreeing about being more proactive in “lawfare”, but we absolutely need to recognize there is a line at which point we lose, if we cross it.&lt;/b&gt;

Unless you&#039;re part of King Trum&#039;s executive Czar or cabinet, there&#039;s no reason to worry about that &quot;point&quot;, cause you won&#039;t be the one making it nor will you be given power to enforce/implement it. There&#039;s no reason to worry about it, since as normal citizens, you are powerless, literally powerless, to change what is going up in DC once it starts moving.

This is why Mao said something like political power comes out of the barrel of a gun. He was right, for the most part. He was also wrong too.

&lt;b&gt;The first part of what GB mentions, I think are fair game. But, then, he goes MUCH further, as I have quoted.&lt;/b&gt;

And if GB was Trum&#039;s commissar, CZAR, or cabinet level member, that&#039;d be an issue. It isn&#039;t. This is the difference between &quot;fantasy dreams&quot; I see in Americans and practical exercise of power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Ymarsakar — I’m not disagreeing about being more proactive in “lawfare”, but we absolutely need to recognize there is a line at which point we lose, if we cross it.</b></p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re part of King Trum&#8217;s executive Czar or cabinet, there&#8217;s no reason to worry about that &#8220;point&#8221;, cause you won&#8217;t be the one making it nor will you be given power to enforce/implement it. There&#8217;s no reason to worry about it, since as normal citizens, you are powerless, literally powerless, to change what is going up in DC once it starts moving.</p>
<p>This is why Mao said something like political power comes out of the barrel of a gun. He was right, for the most part. He was also wrong too.</p>
<p><b>The first part of what GB mentions, I think are fair game. But, then, he goes MUCH further, as I have quoted.</b></p>
<p>And if GB was Trum&#8217;s commissar, CZAR, or cabinet level member, that&#8217;d be an issue. It isn&#8217;t. This is the difference between &#8220;fantasy dreams&#8221; I see in Americans and practical exercise of power.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/09/miscellaneous-musings-post-election/#comment-1887208</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Ymarsakar - I&#039;m not disagreeing about being more proactive in &quot;lawfare&quot;, but we absolutely need to recognize there is a line at which point we lose, if we cross it.

Perhaps if &quot;our&quot; side gets into abusing &quot;Jane Doe&quot; type laws, you think &quot;the cost will be far less than&quot; not using them to attack political enemies?

The first part of what GB mentions, I think are fair game.  But, then, he goes MUCH further, as I have quoted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ymarsakar &#8211; I&#8217;m not disagreeing about being more proactive in &#8220;lawfare&#8221;, but we absolutely need to recognize there is a line at which point we lose, if we cross it.</p>
<p>Perhaps if &#8220;our&#8221; side gets into abusing &#8220;Jane Doe&#8221; type laws, you think &#8220;the cost will be far less than&#8221; not using them to attack political enemies?</p>
<p>The first part of what GB mentions, I think are fair game.  But, then, he goes MUCH further, as I have quoted.</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/09/miscellaneous-musings-post-election/#comment-1887054</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;These kinds of things are exactly how we lose those folks.

&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s sort of like claiming the Catholic CHurch would have lost the faithful if they had actively sought out and got rid of the homosexuals and child molestors in their ranks before the lawyers got wind of the honey pot they could harvest from lawsuits against the Catholics.

It&#039;s mistaking short term gains and stability, for long term strategic victory.

Yes there is a cost to using Lawfare against the Left and using the laws on the books, but the cost will be far less than what happens when people like me start being the same as the popular acclaim in the US. A few crazy people, you can handle. Not tens of millions however.

&lt;b&gt;When you go this far, I have to call it out as grave error, as very much begins to look like a call for “revenge”.&lt;/b&gt;

GB had the same concerns as you a few years ago, probably before 2013. His concerns, as are yours, are of little impact against the power the Leftist alliance will bring to bear. Besides, justice is something the System is responsible for, not the planners here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>These kinds of things are exactly how we lose those folks.</p>
<p></b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s sort of like claiming the Catholic CHurch would have lost the faithful if they had actively sought out and got rid of the homosexuals and child molestors in their ranks before the lawyers got wind of the honey pot they could harvest from lawsuits against the Catholics.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s mistaking short term gains and stability, for long term strategic victory.</p>
<p>Yes there is a cost to using Lawfare against the Left and using the laws on the books, but the cost will be far less than what happens when people like me start being the same as the popular acclaim in the US. A few crazy people, you can handle. Not tens of millions however.</p>
<p><b>When you go this far, I have to call it out as grave error, as very much begins to look like a call for “revenge”.</b></p>
<p>GB had the same concerns as you a few years ago, probably before 2013. His concerns, as are yours, are of little impact against the power the Leftist alliance will bring to bear. Besides, justice is something the System is responsible for, not the planners here.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Also it is interesting to note that now Mr. Jones thinks it important to be able to &lt;b&gt;speak “honestly”&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - gracepc

Sounds familiar, doesn&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Also it is interesting to note that now Mr. Jones thinks it important to be able to <b>speak “honestly”</b>.&#8221;</em> &#8211; gracepc</p>
<p>Sounds familiar, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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