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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/07/its-the-hunchback-of-notre-dame-election/#comment-1877354</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;I don’t think that was the prevailing attitude then during the Eisenhower, Kennedy and early Johnson administrations&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - T

Not my era, but I can believe it, coming out of WWII.  I would guess that Vietnam eroded any positive trust, and may have been the turning point.  Of course, Nixon and Watergate conceivably blew the lid off this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;I don’t think that was the prevailing attitude then during the Eisenhower, Kennedy and early Johnson administrations&#8221;</em> &#8211; T</p>
<p>Not my era, but I can believe it, coming out of WWII.  I would guess that Vietnam eroded any positive trust, and may have been the turning point.  Of course, Nixon and Watergate conceivably blew the lid off this.</p>
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		By: Brooklyn Boy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brooklyn Boy]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a gorgeous woman Maureen O&#039;Hara was and what a great film! This film along with the 1935 version of A Tale of Two Cities are two of my favorites.]]></description>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 17:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;. . . but &lt;strike&gt;your&lt;/strike&gt; you&#039;re right . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;. . . but <strike>your</strike> you&#8217;re right . . .</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 17:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&quot;. . .what would be more interesting is if there is a trend one way or the other over time.&quot; [Big Maq @11:41]&lt;/b&gt;

Good point.  I think that is precisely what Caddell is implying, but your right he doesn&#039;t really provide any evidence to that end.  His observations are more a snapshot in time rather than a history or evolution of a trend.

What is interesting about your point, though (&quot;. . . e.g. majority probably always would agree that “Political leaders are more interested in protecting their power and privilege”) is that, growing up in the 1950s and 60s,  I don&#039;t think that was the prevailing attitude then during the Eisenhower, Kennedy and early Johnson administrations.  Now it seems to me to be ingrained into the national attitude.  But I was young then, and certainly not very politically attuned so I could easily be mistaken.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;. . .what would be more interesting is if there is a trend one way or the other over time.&#8221; [Big Maq @11:41]</b></p>
<p>Good point.  I think that is precisely what Caddell is implying, but your right he doesn&#8217;t really provide any evidence to that end.  His observations are more a snapshot in time rather than a history or evolution of a trend.</p>
<p>What is interesting about your point, though (&#8220;. . . e.g. majority probably always would agree that “Political leaders are more interested in protecting their power and privilege”) is that, growing up in the 1950s and 60s,  I don&#8217;t think that was the prevailing attitude then during the Eisenhower, Kennedy and early Johnson administrations.  Now it seems to me to be ingrained into the national attitude.  But I was young then, and certainly not very politically attuned so I could easily be mistaken.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/07/its-the-hunchback-of-notre-dame-election/#comment-1877005</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 17:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&quot;. . .what would be more interesting is if there is a trend one way or the other over time.&quot; [Big Maq @11:41]&lt;/b&gt;

Good point.  I think that is precisely what Caddell is implying, but your right he doesn&#039;t really provide any evidence to that end.  His observations are more a snapshot in time rather than a history or evolution of a trend.

What is interesting about your point, though (&quot;. . . e.g. majority probably always would agree that “Political leaders are more interested in protecting their power and privilege”) is tha, growing up int he 1950s and 60s,  I don&#039;t think that was the prevailing attitude in the 1960s during the Eisenhower, Kennedy and early Johnson adminsitrations.  Now it seems to me to be ingrained into the national attitude.  But I was young then, and certainly not very politically attuned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;. . .what would be more interesting is if there is a trend one way or the other over time.&#8221; [Big Maq @11:41]</b></p>
<p>Good point.  I think that is precisely what Caddell is implying, but your right he doesn&#8217;t really provide any evidence to that end.  His observations are more a snapshot in time rather than a history or evolution of a trend.</p>
<p>What is interesting about your point, though (&#8220;. . . e.g. majority probably always would agree that “Political leaders are more interested in protecting their power and privilege”) is tha, growing up int he 1950s and 60s,  I don&#8217;t think that was the prevailing attitude in the 1960s during the Eisenhower, Kennedy and early Johnson adminsitrations.  Now it seems to me to be ingrained into the national attitude.  But I was young then, and certainly not very politically attuned.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 16:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Incidentally, Frank Luntz seems to have similar findings reaching back to the last election cycle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, Frank Luntz seems to have similar findings reaching back to the last election cycle.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/07/its-the-hunchback-of-notre-dame-election/#comment-1876946</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 16:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@T - thanks for the link - a good read, and, though I don&#039;t agree with Caddell on everything, he has raised some great points over the years.

One of the things I&#039;d have liked is if he would have comparisons of those eight questions he measure responses on.  

I have the sense that there would almost always be a directionally similar response dynamic (e.g. majority probably always would agree that &quot;Political leaders are more interested in protecting their power and privilege&quot;), but what would be more interesting is if there is a trend one way or the other over time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@T &#8211; thanks for the link &#8211; a good read, and, though I don&#8217;t agree with Caddell on everything, he has raised some great points over the years.</p>
<p>One of the things I&#8217;d have liked is if he would have comparisons of those eight questions he measure responses on.  </p>
<p>I have the sense that there would almost always be a directionally similar response dynamic (e.g. majority probably always would agree that &#8220;Political leaders are more interested in protecting their power and privilege&#8221;), but what would be more interesting is if there is a trend one way or the other over time.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 16:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let me add to Big Maq&#039;s link above the link to Pat Caddell&#039;s essay posted yesterday.  I think it is profound (in the literal, thought-provoking sense).  This isnot an election prediction essay.  He discusses what he sees as underlying forces in the American psyche and essentially argues that a new electoral paradigm is slowly being established.

I, personally have always given credit to Caddell, who, IMO, has brought a great sobriety to his analysis of politics and elections over the years.  He may not always be correct, but I would never call him a party tool.

The link:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/07/patrick-caddell-real-election-surprise-uprising-american-people.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add to Big Maq&#8217;s link above the link to Pat Caddell&#8217;s essay posted yesterday.  I think it is profound (in the literal, thought-provoking sense).  This isnot an election prediction essay.  He discusses what he sees as underlying forces in the American psyche and essentially argues that a new electoral paradigm is slowly being established.</p>
<p>I, personally have always given credit to Caddell, who, IMO, has brought a great sobriety to his analysis of politics and elections over the years.  He may not always be correct, but I would never call him a party tool.</p>
<p>The link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/07/patrick-caddell-real-election-surprise-uprising-american-people.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/07/patrick-caddell-real-election-surprise-uprising-american-people.html</a></p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/07/its-the-hunchback-of-notre-dame-election/#comment-1876340</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 14:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If trump loses, the question will be just how much of a &quot;repudiation&quot; will it be.  If clinton squeeks by with 270 ec votes full stop, we can say &quot;not much&quot;.  But, beyond that it might not be so clear.

Here lists some suggestions of historical markers to look for as a basis for comparison.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/some-helpful-history-to-remember-on-election-night/2016/11/04/572f51a4-a2ad-11e6-a44d-cc2898cfab06_story.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If trump loses, the question will be just how much of a &#8220;repudiation&#8221; will it be.  If clinton squeeks by with 270 ec votes full stop, we can say &#8220;not much&#8221;.  But, beyond that it might not be so clear.</p>
<p>Here lists some suggestions of historical markers to look for as a basis for comparison.<br />
<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/some-helpful-history-to-remember-on-election-night/2016/11/04/572f51a4-a2ad-11e6-a44d-cc2898cfab06_story.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/some-helpful-history-to-remember-on-election-night/2016/11/04/572f51a4-a2ad-11e6-a44d-cc2898cfab06_story.html</a></p>
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		By: Alan W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking of Charles Laughton, he also directed &quot;The Night of the Hunter&quot;, a splendid picture. Unfortunately, it was a little odd, and was not very well received which might be what ended his aspirations to be a director. I especially liked the confrontation between Robert Mitchum and Lillian Gish.
&quot;It is a hard world for little things.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Charles Laughton, he also directed &#8220;The Night of the Hunter&#8221;, a splendid picture. Unfortunately, it was a little odd, and was not very well received which might be what ended his aspirations to be a director. I especially liked the confrontation between Robert Mitchum and Lillian Gish.<br />
&#8220;It is a hard world for little things.&#8221;</p>
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