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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The reason Trum&#039;s children would be more competent in human maniplation is precisely the same reason Bill Clinton became the human he is, surviving under a drunk father fosters certain emotional survival tricks and senses.

You have to Notice what Sets Him Off. Same with Trum. Trum&#039;s children didn&#039;t get to be where they are, without learning how to deal with Trum, a narcissist, although perhaps not a malignant narcissist. They know what sets Trum off and can manage him, although few else can or will try to.

Trum&#039;s children, adults if I recall, are like Valerie Jarret. They have their reasons for managing the guy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Trum&#8217;s children would be more competent in human maniplation is precisely the same reason Bill Clinton became the human he is, surviving under a drunk father fosters certain emotional survival tricks and senses.</p>
<p>You have to Notice what Sets Him Off. Same with Trum. Trum&#8217;s children didn&#8217;t get to be where they are, without learning how to deal with Trum, a narcissist, although perhaps not a malignant narcissist. They know what sets Trum off and can manage him, although few else can or will try to.</p>
<p>Trum&#8217;s children, adults if I recall, are like Valerie Jarret. They have their reasons for managing the guy.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 22:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I’ve seen some top-notch persuaders along the way but none of them behaved like Trump. The persuaders I saw were always exquisitely aware of who they were interacting with and how they were perceived by others. They might be harsh at a key moment or two, but it was always controlled and in service of a higher purpose.&lt;/b&gt;

People who had to use NLP and other fruits of the reverse engineered PUA nerd pioneers, had to put in extreme amounts of work, in order to emulate the effect that power and wealth naturally conveys to the Trums of the world. If you or any normal person were caught with half the things Ted Kennedy was caught with, you would be destroyed, not a US Senator until death. Same for HRC or Bill or Epstein.

NLP and various other human manipulation technologies, are designed to produce through work and self transformation, what the wealthy and powerful naturally have and didn&#039;t have to work for.

&lt;b&gt;MollyG Says: 
October 29th, 2016 at 3:57 pm
Scott Adams is that creepy, double-plus-unhot guy who studied hypnosis and NLP so he could “get chicks.” Just look at him.&lt;/b&gt;

Adams has perhaps transformed himself and become a better marketer for his life long gain. But that just means he is in search of a King, and not someone who should be trusted precisely because unless you have equal or better psychological manipulation abilities as Adams, then your defenses are no where near close enough to filter out the bs from the deception vis a vis an Adams production.

Hypnosis and NLP, which Hussein O has also used in his speeches, is not about using reason to convince people who have a lot of &quot;information&quot;. In fact, the easiest people to con are the &quot;experts&quot; and high intellectuals.

&lt;b&gt;From what I can tell, Trump is a sledge-hammer con-man with poor self-control who just doesn’t give a shit. That has its advantages but is not what I would call Master Persuader territory.&lt;/b&gt;

The only ones that can lay claim to that mantle and title are the Alt Right pioneers who run Trum&#039;s early and middle game media narration online. Or Trum&#039;s own family clan, which seems a lot more competent than the usual corrupt staffers from DC (Recall McCain&#039;s staff that went after Palin and benefited from Democrat collusion).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I’ve seen some top-notch persuaders along the way but none of them behaved like Trump. The persuaders I saw were always exquisitely aware of who they were interacting with and how they were perceived by others. They might be harsh at a key moment or two, but it was always controlled and in service of a higher purpose.</b></p>
<p>People who had to use NLP and other fruits of the reverse engineered PUA nerd pioneers, had to put in extreme amounts of work, in order to emulate the effect that power and wealth naturally conveys to the Trums of the world. If you or any normal person were caught with half the things Ted Kennedy was caught with, you would be destroyed, not a US Senator until death. Same for HRC or Bill or Epstein.</p>
<p>NLP and various other human manipulation technologies, are designed to produce through work and self transformation, what the wealthy and powerful naturally have and didn&#8217;t have to work for.</p>
<p><b>MollyG Says:<br />
October 29th, 2016 at 3:57 pm<br />
Scott Adams is that creepy, double-plus-unhot guy who studied hypnosis and NLP so he could “get chicks.” Just look at him.</b></p>
<p>Adams has perhaps transformed himself and become a better marketer for his life long gain. But that just means he is in search of a King, and not someone who should be trusted precisely because unless you have equal or better psychological manipulation abilities as Adams, then your defenses are no where near close enough to filter out the bs from the deception vis a vis an Adams production.</p>
<p>Hypnosis and NLP, which Hussein O has also used in his speeches, is not about using reason to convince people who have a lot of &#8220;information&#8221;. In fact, the easiest people to con are the &#8220;experts&#8221; and high intellectuals.</p>
<p><b>From what I can tell, Trump is a sledge-hammer con-man with poor self-control who just doesn’t give a shit. That has its advantages but is not what I would call Master Persuader territory.</b></p>
<p>The only ones that can lay claim to that mantle and title are the Alt Right pioneers who run Trum&#8217;s early and middle game media narration online. Or Trum&#8217;s own family clan, which seems a lot more competent than the usual corrupt staffers from DC (Recall McCain&#8217;s staff that went after Palin and benefited from Democrat collusion).</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 22:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And by typical, I don&#039;t mean the person, I mean humanity in general and Americans in this specific context.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by typical, I don&#8217;t mean the person, I mean humanity in general and Americans in this specific context.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 22:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;But the other point is that the DC establishment and the MSN and various Fed agencies won’t cooperate and cover for DJT as they would for HRC&lt;/b&gt;

Typical shortsightedness and lack of accurate human analysis. When Bush II did things the Left liked, like the TSA (after he opposed its creation) and No Child Left Behind, of course Leftists and the media covered for him.

The Left knows the difference between carrots and sticks even if the American people has no proper education in the Art of Propaganda and conditioning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>But the other point is that the DC establishment and the MSN and various Fed agencies won’t cooperate and cover for DJT as they would for HRC</b></p>
<p>Typical shortsightedness and lack of accurate human analysis. When Bush II did things the Left liked, like the TSA (after he opposed its creation) and No Child Left Behind, of course Leftists and the media covered for him.</p>
<p>The Left knows the difference between carrots and sticks even if the American people has no proper education in the Art of Propaganda and conditioning.</p>
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		By: MollyG		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scott Adams is that creepy, double-plus-unhot guy who studied hypnosis and NLP so he could &quot;get chicks.&quot; Just look at him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Adams is that creepy, double-plus-unhot guy who studied hypnosis and NLP so he could &#8220;get chicks.&#8221; Just look at him.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We only have to assume &quot;won&#039;t cooperate and cover&quot; is going to be pendant on some impingement of these various insiders&#039; preferences, perquisites, etc. (&quot;Insiders&quot; I term them just for short -- we could also say vested rent seekers, or term them in other such relations of power and money). But that implies the new ruler is making waves, doesn&#039;t it? That is, so long as the new ruler goes along to get along, cooperation and cover is an easy exchange for his having buttered their bread. 

In which case, the ruled are more or less stuck where they&#039;ve already been. And therefore the ruled would have to seek other ways to end their oppression.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We only have to assume &#8220;won&#8217;t cooperate and cover&#8221; is going to be pendant on some impingement of these various insiders&#8217; preferences, perquisites, etc. (&#8220;Insiders&#8221; I term them just for short &#8212; we could also say vested rent seekers, or term them in other such relations of power and money). But that implies the new ruler is making waves, doesn&#8217;t it? That is, so long as the new ruler goes along to get along, cooperation and cover is an easy exchange for his having buttered their bread. </p>
<p>In which case, the ruled are more or less stuck where they&#8217;ve already been. And therefore the ruled would have to seek other ways to end their oppression.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2016 18:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sdferr  Close.   But the other point is that the DC establishment and the MSN and various Fed agencies won&#039;t cooperate and cover for DJT as they would for HRC]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sdferr  Close.   But the other point is that the DC establishment and the MSN and various Fed agencies won&#8217;t cooperate and cover for DJT as they would for HRC</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2016 17:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump&#039;s bellicose personality is winning by intimidation. Possibly he could have another best-seller on his hands, were he to write the book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump&#8217;s bellicose personality is winning by intimidation. Possibly he could have another best-seller on his hands, were he to write the book.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2016 16:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[None of us can tell what Trump will do should he win, but if you look at his history he&#039;s used plenty of lawfare to go after enemies. His prime weapons have been public insults and lawsuits.

He&#039;s also shown an almost self-destructive inability to let go of insults, pulled endorsements, etc. I read this morning that he&#039;s now going after a Republican governor (Kasich). He can&#039;t handle it when people oppose him or mock him and he seems to have a very highly developed revenge motive.

The idea that when he has the full Executive arsenal at his disposal he won&#039;t weaponize it (or continue the weaponization) to go after his enemies is really wishful thinking, I believe.

Someone suggested last time I brought this up that it won&#039;t happen because the bureaucracies are generally liberal forget that a WHOLE LOT of Trump&#039;s &quot;enemies&quot; are Republicans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of us can tell what Trump will do should he win, but if you look at his history he&#8217;s used plenty of lawfare to go after enemies. His prime weapons have been public insults and lawsuits.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s also shown an almost self-destructive inability to let go of insults, pulled endorsements, etc. I read this morning that he&#8217;s now going after a Republican governor (Kasich). He can&#8217;t handle it when people oppose him or mock him and he seems to have a very highly developed revenge motive.</p>
<p>The idea that when he has the full Executive arsenal at his disposal he won&#8217;t weaponize it (or continue the weaponization) to go after his enemies is really wishful thinking, I believe.</p>
<p>Someone suggested last time I brought this up that it won&#8217;t happen because the bureaucracies are generally liberal forget that a WHOLE LOT of Trump&#8217;s &#8220;enemies&#8221; are Republicans.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2016 15:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This proposition Mr. Aubrey makes -- &quot;&lt;i&gt;IMO, the one least likely to and least capable of weaponizing the federal government against the rest of us&lt;/i&gt;.&quot; -- actually has within it what we can make out as a certain sort of appeal, albeit narrowly perhaps, from the one point of view inclining to what we loosely term &quot;idiocracy&quot;.  

If we suppose the &quot;. . . least likely . . . and least capable . . .&quot; is taken as a sort of positive injunction to prefer the most idiotic type of ruler, the gravest bumbler, as the one who would be least probable to do harms, whether harms great or small to the ruled. This simpleton sort of ruler, it may be supposed, can&#039;t be clever, and therefore, it might be assumed, cannot conceive of harms to do, or if he does conceive them, then cannot conceive the means by which to accomplish them. Possibly in amplification of this, he may be indolent, simply too lazy to work himself up to vigorously chasing after new projects by which to torment his subjects, but prefers to seek his physical pleasures in women and song, say, if not in liquor and pharmaceuticals (for we&#039;re told he&#039;s a teetotaler by choice). Heap him with babes, money, and praise and we&#039;re good to go. 

It&#039;s an unusual approach to thinking about our government, sure. But in some measure, it surely also seems to be an approach gaining traction among us today. In the condition of an increasing rule of experts in bureaucracies [the managerial state] insulated from correction by the ruled, it&#039;s possibly not so improbable that the ruled would turn to the notion of their salvation in something akin to a perfect opposition to their current oppressors: namely, from &quot;wise guys&quot; (yes, a mafia) to &quot;imbeciles&quot;. 

Odd, maybe, but not altogether surprising.

Of course, there remains that tiny little problem concerning his lunatic ambition (so once again a question of character). Yes. One can only guess at where &lt;i&gt;that &lt;/i&gt;might lead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This proposition Mr. Aubrey makes &#8212; &#8220;<i>IMO, the one least likely to and least capable of weaponizing the federal government against the rest of us</i>.&#8221; &#8212; actually has within it what we can make out as a certain sort of appeal, albeit narrowly perhaps, from the one point of view inclining to what we loosely term &#8220;idiocracy&#8221;.  </p>
<p>If we suppose the &#8220;. . . least likely . . . and least capable . . .&#8221; is taken as a sort of positive injunction to prefer the most idiotic type of ruler, the gravest bumbler, as the one who would be least probable to do harms, whether harms great or small to the ruled. This simpleton sort of ruler, it may be supposed, can&#8217;t be clever, and therefore, it might be assumed, cannot conceive of harms to do, or if he does conceive them, then cannot conceive the means by which to accomplish them. Possibly in amplification of this, he may be indolent, simply too lazy to work himself up to vigorously chasing after new projects by which to torment his subjects, but prefers to seek his physical pleasures in women and song, say, if not in liquor and pharmaceuticals (for we&#8217;re told he&#8217;s a teetotaler by choice). Heap him with babes, money, and praise and we&#8217;re good to go. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an unusual approach to thinking about our government, sure. But in some measure, it surely also seems to be an approach gaining traction among us today. In the condition of an increasing rule of experts in bureaucracies [the managerial state] insulated from correction by the ruled, it&#8217;s possibly not so improbable that the ruled would turn to the notion of their salvation in something akin to a perfect opposition to their current oppressors: namely, from &#8220;wise guys&#8221; (yes, a mafia) to &#8220;imbeciles&#8221;. </p>
<p>Odd, maybe, but not altogether surprising.</p>
<p>Of course, there remains that tiny little problem concerning his lunatic ambition (so once again a question of character). Yes. One can only guess at where <i>that </i>might lead.</p>
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