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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems the book is available in PDF form here:
https://www.indybay.org/olduploads/movement_action_plan.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the book is available in PDF form here:<br />
<a href="https://www.indybay.org/olduploads/movement_action_plan.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.indybay.org/olduploads/movement_action_plan.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Sharon W		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/10/19/the-peaceable-blog/#comment-1804787</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2016 00:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric--Thank you for your response.  We will look at it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric&#8211;Thank you for your response.  We will look at it.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2016 00:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon W:
&quot;Provide a link with your answers and I will send it to him&quot;

Start here: 
http://doingdemocracy.com/

From there, the rest is iterative.

There&#039;s plenty of material, a lot of on-line like the Moyer website, and observable real examples. 

My best advice for beginners is use Moyer&#039;s basic framework to get your team started, then just commit to the game, engage the competition, and learn your arena. 

When I played, I didn&#039;t have as much as Moyer&#039;s basic framework to get started. I didn&#039;t know what I was doing. My team started out simply by copying what I saw Left activists doing in the open. (Not the gross stuff, just the basics.)

Like any other skill mastery, once you begin, you&#039;ll learn progressively how to do activism through experience, a lot of it being failure against superior activists. It&#039;ll hurt when you lose because leftists play rough. 

As you gain the perspective of the arena, the game opens up. Again, just like any other kind of competition or social endeavor. Your network expands. Better teammates join. Opportunities multiply as they&#039;re seized. 

Once you&#039;ve gained experience and footing in the arena, then you can better sort through activism reference materials while learning what works and developing what works for your team.  

At step 1, the Moyer basic framework and observation of the arena should be enough to get you started. If it&#039;s not enough, then you&#039;re just rationalizing your aversion to activism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon W:<br />
&#8220;Provide a link with your answers and I will send it to him&#8221;</p>
<p>Start here:<br />
<a href="http://doingdemocracy.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://doingdemocracy.com/</a></p>
<p>From there, the rest is iterative.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty of material, a lot of on-line like the Moyer website, and observable real examples. </p>
<p>My best advice for beginners is use Moyer&#8217;s basic framework to get your team started, then just commit to the game, engage the competition, and learn your arena. </p>
<p>When I played, I didn&#8217;t have as much as Moyer&#8217;s basic framework to get started. I didn&#8217;t know what I was doing. My team started out simply by copying what I saw Left activists doing in the open. (Not the gross stuff, just the basics.)</p>
<p>Like any other skill mastery, once you begin, you&#8217;ll learn progressively how to do activism through experience, a lot of it being failure against superior activists. It&#8217;ll hurt when you lose because leftists play rough. </p>
<p>As you gain the perspective of the arena, the game opens up. Again, just like any other kind of competition or social endeavor. Your network expands. Better teammates join. Opportunities multiply as they&#8217;re seized. </p>
<p>Once you&#8217;ve gained experience and footing in the arena, then you can better sort through activism reference materials while learning what works and developing what works for your team.  </p>
<p>At step 1, the Moyer basic framework and observation of the arena should be enough to get you started. If it&#8217;s not enough, then you&#8217;re just rationalizing your aversion to activism.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/10/19/the-peaceable-blog/#comment-1800295</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 21:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Btw, the so called Clinton Machine, is less than 10% of the Leftist alliance&#039;s strategic power.

Keep that in mind, for those that think annihilating the Clintons equals strategic victory over the Left. It is no Salvation for America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, the so called Clinton Machine, is less than 10% of the Leftist alliance&#8217;s strategic power.</p>
<p>Keep that in mind, for those that think annihilating the Clintons equals strategic victory over the Left. It is no Salvation for America.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/10/19/the-peaceable-blog/#comment-1800292</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 21:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;And at 70 years of age, is no intrinsic threat to the Republic.

The Clinton Machine – and its VAST army of hangers on – will roll on and on and on.&lt;/b&gt;

Unless Parker and Spiral are more right than you, and the Clinton Machine is puppet mastering Trum. Then this 70 yo is of no intrinsic threat on the same scale as Clinton being of no intrinsic threat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>And at 70 years of age, is no intrinsic threat to the Republic.</p>
<p>The Clinton Machine – and its VAST army of hangers on – will roll on and on and on.</b></p>
<p>Unless Parker and Spiral are more right than you, and the Clinton Machine is puppet mastering Trum. Then this 70 yo is of no intrinsic threat on the same scale as Clinton being of no intrinsic threat.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 21:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;There will be no issues to debate – no policies – only personalities. PERIOD.&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Elections will be ethnically decided, forgone conclusions.&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s a justification for war, not for electing Trum.

&lt;b&gt;After the vote, you’ll discover that suddenly Trump is not such a bad fellow… kind of like Romney, McCain, even Bush.&lt;/b&gt;

Many in the ALt Right, VoxDay included, have severe criticisms of Republican policies and administrations and are in fact bitter, if not personally perceiving a betrayal. Bush II was even criticized for not fighting against the Left via propaganda.

Trum, if elected, will be expected to FIGHT, as in FIGHT the Leftis tallaince not Cater to the Leftist alliance. Even Bush II&#039;s proposed deal with Qatar was shut down. So either Trum will fight, or he will not, and be criticized dramatically for it. Not that criticism will do much good once Democrats win the Republican nomination, it&#039;s another example of them being better at Gramsci than people reading Gramsci.

The Alt Right wants to out Gramsci the Leftist Gramsci institution marchers, but it&#039;s an insurgency vs super power occupation. Their chances of success and odds of success for the ALt Right, is not as good as they think. The Leftist alliance is not solely made out of sub human trash called SJWs. The Left&#039;s allies, Islamic Jihad, aren&#039;t SJWs either, except when they pretend to be for deceptive war.

People who say a Presidential result won&#039;t be &quot;as bad&quot; are perhaps hedging their bet or don&#039;t actually believe in their Doomsday fake prophecies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>There will be no issues to debate – no policies – only personalities. PERIOD.</b></p>
<p><b>Elections will be ethnically decided, forgone conclusions.</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a justification for war, not for electing Trum.</p>
<p><b>After the vote, you’ll discover that suddenly Trump is not such a bad fellow… kind of like Romney, McCain, even Bush.</b></p>
<p>Many in the ALt Right, VoxDay included, have severe criticisms of Republican policies and administrations and are in fact bitter, if not personally perceiving a betrayal. Bush II was even criticized for not fighting against the Left via propaganda.</p>
<p>Trum, if elected, will be expected to FIGHT, as in FIGHT the Leftis tallaince not Cater to the Leftist alliance. Even Bush II&#8217;s proposed deal with Qatar was shut down. So either Trum will fight, or he will not, and be criticized dramatically for it. Not that criticism will do much good once Democrats win the Republican nomination, it&#8217;s another example of them being better at Gramsci than people reading Gramsci.</p>
<p>The Alt Right wants to out Gramsci the Leftist Gramsci institution marchers, but it&#8217;s an insurgency vs super power occupation. Their chances of success and odds of success for the ALt Right, is not as good as they think. The Leftist alliance is not solely made out of sub human trash called SJWs. The Left&#8217;s allies, Islamic Jihad, aren&#8217;t SJWs either, except when they pretend to be for deceptive war.</p>
<p>People who say a Presidential result won&#8217;t be &#8220;as bad&#8221; are perhaps hedging their bet or don&#8217;t actually believe in their Doomsday fake prophecies.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/10/19/the-peaceable-blog/#comment-1800261</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 21:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Well, it has gotten much worse, not just here but all around the blogosphere, and in non-cyber conversations as well, and is one of the many profoundly distressing phenomena this election season.&lt;/b&gt;

It is merely a symptom of America&#039;s decline and lack of righteousness. It is not, unfortunately, a temporary trend like say, Bush II going on about McCain&#039;s personal problems via surrogates. McCain had a lot more beef with that, than he had with the media calling him a &quot;maverick&quot;. That stroked his ego and was good instead.

All nations because of humans, are susceptible to factionalism, lack of righteousness, sin, decadence, and decay. We are not always going to go up in the food chain or the pyramid of success. That would be true even if America was as exceptional as people believed.

A symptom of America&#039;s decay and decadence, but not its source. Even if all the Clintons, their apparatchiks, and Trum as well, were wiped from the face of existence via total nuclear annihilation, I would still guarantee the existence of evil in the US, factionalism, and US Civil War 2. It&#039;s not something that can be avoided using average humans means, not at this time at least.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Well, it has gotten much worse, not just here but all around the blogosphere, and in non-cyber conversations as well, and is one of the many profoundly distressing phenomena this election season.</b></p>
<p>It is merely a symptom of America&#8217;s decline and lack of righteousness. It is not, unfortunately, a temporary trend like say, Bush II going on about McCain&#8217;s personal problems via surrogates. McCain had a lot more beef with that, than he had with the media calling him a &#8220;maverick&#8221;. That stroked his ego and was good instead.</p>
<p>All nations because of humans, are susceptible to factionalism, lack of righteousness, sin, decadence, and decay. We are not always going to go up in the food chain or the pyramid of success. That would be true even if America was as exceptional as people believed.</p>
<p>A symptom of America&#8217;s decay and decadence, but not its source. Even if all the Clintons, their apparatchiks, and Trum as well, were wiped from the face of existence via total nuclear annihilation, I would still guarantee the existence of evil in the US, factionalism, and US Civil War 2. It&#8217;s not something that can be avoided using average humans means, not at this time at least.</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/10/19/the-peaceable-blog/#comment-1800016</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 19:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;After the vote, you’ll discover that suddenly Trump is not such a bad fellow… kind of like Romney, McCain, even Bush.&quot;  Is this intentional parody?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After the vote, you’ll discover that suddenly Trump is not such a bad fellow… kind of like Romney, McCain, even Bush.&#8221;  Is this intentional parody?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 19:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blert:

&quot;BTW, the heart of your objection turns on ad hominem: he’s a nasty piece of work – and so forth.&quot;

Bovine excrement, Blert.  Trump&#039;s actions and words need no exaggeration.  Your opinion differs obviously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blert:</p>
<p>&#8220;BTW, the heart of your objection turns on ad hominem: he’s a nasty piece of work – and so forth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bovine excrement, Blert.  Trump&#8217;s actions and words need no exaggeration.  Your opinion differs obviously.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OM Says:
October 20th, 2016 at 9:02 am

Blert:

Trump is for Trump alone, that is all he cares about. You wish to be a tool for him, that is your choice while you have it. Follow the gold-plated shiny idol.

&#038;&#038;&#038;

Boy, you said it.

He&#039;s just a man. 

And at 70 years of age, is no intrinsic threat to the Republic.

The Clinton Machine -- and its VAST army of hangers on -- will roll on and on and on.

Unlike a mortal man, it&#039;s appetite for expansion has no natural limits.

BTW, the heart of your objection turns on ad hominem: he&#039;s a nasty piece of work -- and so forth.

While the worst possible argument to make on matters of substance -- you must agree that it is often entirely persuasive -- especially with LIV -- hence its use at this time.

&#038;&#038;&#038;

BTW, as a function of his extreme vanity, he&#039;ll absolutely want to do the best, so that he will be immortal.

He can&#039;t be in it for the fame or the money. He had both in spades before all this. He was so famous that he had name recognition wherever he went. Having tens of thousands of employees, he had plenty of social power. 

All that can remain for him is to &#039;go out on top.&#039;

It&#039;s plainly an irresistible lure.

The idea that he&#039;s going to loot the Treasury to make himself more money is ludicrous. His entire economic empire is based on real estate development. How is he supposed to plop down more resort casinos while he&#039;s fully occupied in the White House?

Real estate development is a LOCAL game -- decided by mayors, city officials, unions, and other players. It does not proceed at the Federal level. You just don&#039;t see real estate developers running to Congress for this or that project. ( Tax breaks is another matter -- but they apply to the entire industry. )

No small number of his business connections are die hard Democrats. Poof. Those bridges have been burned. He has mentioned this from the podium. Perhaps you missed it.

Trump&#039;s ability to borrow big from American banks has totally evaporated. (!!!) Yes, they are scared stiff that the Clinton Machine will punish them.

Think about that.

Major media properties have squelched stories -- like Wikileaks -- because, at a fundamental level, they are afraid of the Clinton Machine. This is spineless pack behavior at its worst.

The skewed poll numbers go VERY far towards enforcing this behavior, which is why the Clinton Machine bought and paid for the NBC//WSJ poll. They own that dude.

He was cheap, only $250,000 a month.

Such is the nature of media and polling corruption. 

Hillary is DOING right now everything you must fear in a Hillary Administration.

Whereas, you&#039;re speculating as to how bad, bad might get with Trump. The folks planting such fear in you are paid pros on staff with the Clinton Machine.

By your posting, the Machine is thrilled with its approach. The smears and allegations are WORKING.

After the vote, you&#039;ll discover that suddenly Trump is not such a bad fellow... kind of like Romney, McCain, even Bush.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OM Says:<br />
October 20th, 2016 at 9:02 am</p>
<p>Blert:</p>
<p>Trump is for Trump alone, that is all he cares about. You wish to be a tool for him, that is your choice while you have it. Follow the gold-plated shiny idol.</p>
<p>&amp;&amp;&amp;</p>
<p>Boy, you said it.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just a man. </p>
<p>And at 70 years of age, is no intrinsic threat to the Republic.</p>
<p>The Clinton Machine &#8212; and its VAST army of hangers on &#8212; will roll on and on and on.</p>
<p>Unlike a mortal man, it&#8217;s appetite for expansion has no natural limits.</p>
<p>BTW, the heart of your objection turns on ad hominem: he&#8217;s a nasty piece of work &#8212; and so forth.</p>
<p>While the worst possible argument to make on matters of substance &#8212; you must agree that it is often entirely persuasive &#8212; especially with LIV &#8212; hence its use at this time.</p>
<p>&amp;&amp;&amp;</p>
<p>BTW, as a function of his extreme vanity, he&#8217;ll absolutely want to do the best, so that he will be immortal.</p>
<p>He can&#8217;t be in it for the fame or the money. He had both in spades before all this. He was so famous that he had name recognition wherever he went. Having tens of thousands of employees, he had plenty of social power. </p>
<p>All that can remain for him is to &#8216;go out on top.&#8217;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s plainly an irresistible lure.</p>
<p>The idea that he&#8217;s going to loot the Treasury to make himself more money is ludicrous. His entire economic empire is based on real estate development. How is he supposed to plop down more resort casinos while he&#8217;s fully occupied in the White House?</p>
<p>Real estate development is a LOCAL game &#8212; decided by mayors, city officials, unions, and other players. It does not proceed at the Federal level. You just don&#8217;t see real estate developers running to Congress for this or that project. ( Tax breaks is another matter &#8212; but they apply to the entire industry. )</p>
<p>No small number of his business connections are die hard Democrats. Poof. Those bridges have been burned. He has mentioned this from the podium. Perhaps you missed it.</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s ability to borrow big from American banks has totally evaporated. (!!!) Yes, they are scared stiff that the Clinton Machine will punish them.</p>
<p>Think about that.</p>
<p>Major media properties have squelched stories &#8212; like Wikileaks &#8212; because, at a fundamental level, they are afraid of the Clinton Machine. This is spineless pack behavior at its worst.</p>
<p>The skewed poll numbers go VERY far towards enforcing this behavior, which is why the Clinton Machine bought and paid for the NBC//WSJ poll. They own that dude.</p>
<p>He was cheap, only $250,000 a month.</p>
<p>Such is the nature of media and polling corruption. </p>
<p>Hillary is DOING right now everything you must fear in a Hillary Administration.</p>
<p>Whereas, you&#8217;re speculating as to how bad, bad might get with Trump. The folks planting such fear in you are paid pros on staff with the Clinton Machine.</p>
<p>By your posting, the Machine is thrilled with its approach. The smears and allegations are WORKING.</p>
<p>After the vote, you&#8217;ll discover that suddenly Trump is not such a bad fellow&#8230; kind of like Romney, McCain, even Bush.</p>
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