It seems the real problem is the different analysis the pro and con Trump folks have made about where we are now and where we’ll be if Hillary wins vs. if Trump wins.

Folks like me think that the present condition is reaching a crisis point and that it cannot be sustained for 4 more years of Obama policies implemented by a criminal with no conscience. We feel that if this election is lost either there won’t be another one or it will be so crooked that they will retain power until the revolution or the collapse, whichever happens first.

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Some posters can’t fathom that the election of 2020 will be a simulacrum. The Democrats will have 220 electoral votes locked in before the campaigns even start.

THAT’S how fast and far the demographics are being changed.

Over the next four years the TOTALLY politized IRS will defund the GOP// Tea Party more effectively than ever.

Google is, de facto, a part of the Clinton Machine.

They are now the Ministry of Truth.

This peril is denied by the never Trumpers, who are living in a dreamscape of optimism.

The White American dynasty is being destroyed.

That’s what the culture wars are all about.

The never Trumpers are also spewing out — almost verbatim — MSM-Clinton Machine talking points — the vast bulk of which are nothing but ad hominem.

His hair style, his personal faults have not stopped him from being a staggering success at most of the stuff he touches.

Obviously, lending his brand name to some hucksters ( Trump University ) was foolish.

Losing money running a casino in Atlantic City — is an art form universally practiced by those attempting it. Absolutely NO-ONE has not lost their shirt in Atlantic City. It’s THAT mobbed up. It was Lucky Luciano’s playground eighty-years ago — and the MAFIA is still doing business at the same old stand.

The sluts allegations aren’t worth the electrons used to repeat them. The ONLY tabloid to publish them was the NY Times. All other publications soon found them wholly fake, absurd, libellous.

With 220 Electoral Votes in the pocket, the Democrats will end up owning the White House — FOREVER.

Ever more brown people will be imported so as to change the voting demographic into Brazil. America will become a sea of LIV — FOREVER.

Rome lost its Republic very much in this manner.

Europe is showing what America will look like in ONLY eight-years.

If Romney had Reagan’s demographics — he’d have won the White House with a larger EV than Ronald !

That’s how significant demographic replacement shifts policy.

Neither do I, which is why I can see his weakness compared to the strength found in other’s internal fortitude.

He’s an extreme pragmatist. We haven’t seen that type of national leader since, perhaps, Gerald Ford.

Extreme pragmatists don’t provoke themselves due to their own narcissism, when they are lacking provocation from Cruz and other opponents. That would be like Art self declaring he’s an “extreme pragmatist”. Art isn’t, because Art is easily provoked by feminists, even when Neo talks about feminism and Art gets provoked by it not because Neo provoked him or said something pro feminist, but because Art perceived it in his imagination. And Art also blames his sister for having a better life than him. All traits that are not consistent with pragmatism, nor are Trum’s trait consistent with pragmatism. It’s consistent with tribal warriors that don’t know any better, yes, but not with statesmen, cold realists, or calculated pragmatists.

Yet, I have to disagree that the “former political order, (is) now fully overthrown”. We are far from that point.

Indeed we are far from that point, since FDR killed the last system of checks and balances. But then again, you didn’t mean it that way.

I think you have misinterpreted the comments of many who see little difference between POTUS HRC or DJT. Some commenters are truly never trump, perhaps they live in states where HRC will automatically win their state’s EC votes. If so, why should they vote for Trump just to assuage your anguish? Personally, I will vote for the deplorable one if its close in my state. Otherwise I will vote 3rd party or might even write in (allowable in my state) Noble winner Bob Dylan.

“Ease off Ripley, you’re just grinding metal.” 😉

I asked folks to think about what our expenditure might look like if it was every country for themselves rather than this alliance.

For the same level of protection, in the NATO realm, for US interests, it might well be more than what current “contributions” are from the rest of the alliance, as we’d have to cover risks that are reduced or eliminated by our cooperation.

IOW, it may likely cost us more to maintain the same level of security we want than today’s NATO budget / cumulative contributions of its members – vastly more than our current expenditures.

This work and these ideas stood him in great stead when later he was called upon to act in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief with a mission to preserve the Union.