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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/10/09/sundays-ordinarily-my-day-off-but-debate/#comment-1764625</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2016 06:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;You know what – we’ve tried the gentlemanly approach for several elections now.

Let’s see this through to its conclusion, and make our judgments, not by polls, but by election returns.&lt;/b&gt;

True, but it&#039;s the Alt Right&#039;s glory if they win with Trum, not yours, not the Republicans, not the conservatives, not the GOP E, and not the Tea Party&#039;s.

The fact that people are ready to get dirty, start pulling out knives, is an indication of their weakness, of their desperation. One can feel it in the air, as they cry out in defense of their savior.

One way I know that Trum hasn&#039;t been trying to damage Clinton, is that Clinton fired the October Surprise first. Trum has twitter and his goon of Alt Right propagandists, who will gladly stack on top of Clinton and wreck her with her voice tapes blaming rape victims and laughing at them. But Trum didn&#039;t do that before the debates or even during it. Why?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>You know what – we’ve tried the gentlemanly approach for several elections now.</p>
<p>Let’s see this through to its conclusion, and make our judgments, not by polls, but by election returns.</b></p>
<p>True, but it&#8217;s the Alt Right&#8217;s glory if they win with Trum, not yours, not the Republicans, not the conservatives, not the GOP E, and not the Tea Party&#8217;s.</p>
<p>The fact that people are ready to get dirty, start pulling out knives, is an indication of their weakness, of their desperation. One can feel it in the air, as they cry out in defense of their savior.</p>
<p>One way I know that Trum hasn&#8217;t been trying to damage Clinton, is that Clinton fired the October Surprise first. Trum has twitter and his goon of Alt Right propagandists, who will gladly stack on top of Clinton and wreck her with her voice tapes blaming rape victims and laughing at them. But Trum didn&#8217;t do that before the debates or even during it. Why?</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2016 06:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;But you are in fact trivializing the objections of anti-Trumpers by using the “angry skunk” analogy.&lt;/b&gt;

I thought that was a pretty funny allusion to Trum&#039;s hair and personal mouth hygiene actually.

Personally I don&#039;t see Trum as another man eating tiger, meaning a life or death threat. Not even HRC is a life or death threat, although that depends on if you are on her hit list or not... humans tend to end up magically dead around her. Not just Qaddafi.

If I could get a tool, like my favorite swords, a man eating tiger isn&#039;t a death guarantee. There&#039;s a good chance I&#039;ll survive without permanent damage, 50/50 at least.

There&#039;s no reason to trust in some door or vote or election or DC evil capital bullsh. Humans should trust in their own powers to win a war, without relying on useless politicians.

There&#039;s no guarantee that opening any of the potential doors, will keep the tiger door locked. It could just be a trick or trap by Democrats. You think you are safe, well you aren&#039;t. Demoncrats have been conning Americans for so long, now that they think they &quot;hate the Left&quot;, they think they are now immune to Leftist propaganda. They never were. They aren&#039;t immune to Alt Right propaganda either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>But you are in fact trivializing the objections of anti-Trumpers by using the “angry skunk” analogy.</b></p>
<p>I thought that was a pretty funny allusion to Trum&#8217;s hair and personal mouth hygiene actually.</p>
<p>Personally I don&#8217;t see Trum as another man eating tiger, meaning a life or death threat. Not even HRC is a life or death threat, although that depends on if you are on her hit list or not&#8230; humans tend to end up magically dead around her. Not just Qaddafi.</p>
<p>If I could get a tool, like my favorite swords, a man eating tiger isn&#8217;t a death guarantee. There&#8217;s a good chance I&#8217;ll survive without permanent damage, 50/50 at least.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no reason to trust in some door or vote or election or DC evil capital bullsh. Humans should trust in their own powers to win a war, without relying on useless politicians.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no guarantee that opening any of the potential doors, will keep the tiger door locked. It could just be a trick or trap by Democrats. You think you are safe, well you aren&#8217;t. Demoncrats have been conning Americans for so long, now that they think they &#8220;hate the Left&#8221;, they think they are now immune to Leftist propaganda. They never were. They aren&#8217;t immune to Alt Right propaganda either.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders:

Well, I certainly wasn&#039;t talking about just you!

But you are in fact trivializing the objections of anti-Trumpers by using the &quot;angry skunk&quot; analogy.  That was my point re your statements.  &quot;Angry skunk&quot; vs. Hillary&#039;s &quot;man-eating tiger&quot; is the trivialization on your part that I&#039;m talking about.

They see Trump as another man-eating tiger.  That makes the choice different than the more trivial and easy one you posit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>Well, I certainly wasn&#8217;t talking about just you!</p>
<p>But you are in fact trivializing the objections of anti-Trumpers by using the &#8220;angry skunk&#8221; analogy.  That was my point re your statements.  &#8220;Angry skunk&#8221; vs. Hillary&#8217;s &#8220;man-eating tiger&#8221; is the trivialization on your part that I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>They see Trump as another man-eating tiger.  That makes the choice different than the more trivial and easy one you posit.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo - I don&#039;t trivialize anti-Trump people and I don&#039;t minimize their objections.  I understand their objections very well, and, as I&#039;ve posted here many times, I share many of them. I just disagree with the anti-Trump analysis of the situation. I don&#039;t  recall making ad hominin remarks to anyone, and if I did, I beg your forgiveness.  For all anti-Trumpers out there, &quot;Live long and prosper!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo &#8211; I don&#8217;t trivialize anti-Trump people and I don&#8217;t minimize their objections.  I understand their objections very well, and, as I&#8217;ve posted here many times, I share many of them. I just disagree with the anti-Trump analysis of the situation. I don&#8217;t  recall making ad hominin remarks to anyone, and if I did, I beg your forgiveness.  For all anti-Trumpers out there, &#8220;Live long and prosper!&#8221;</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders:

And then of course the lunatic psychotic clown after molesting he gerbil to death, uprooting the fern, opens the door for the &quot;kitty.&quot;  But by then no one but the clown and the tiger are alive in the room.  Just looking ahead.  Cheers :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>And then of course the lunatic psychotic clown after molesting he gerbil to death, uprooting the fern, opens the door for the &#8220;kitty.&#8221;  But by then no one but the clown and the tiger are alive in the room.  Just looking ahead.  Cheers 🙂</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders:

Oh, the doors open by themselves?  Why won&#039;t the tiger get out while I am chatting with the lunatic psychotic clown (who thinks he is a skunk) but who really wants to molest the gerbil and also sell the fern a lottery ticket?

As like a thought experiment as yours.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>Oh, the doors open by themselves?  Why won&#8217;t the tiger get out while I am chatting with the lunatic psychotic clown (who thinks he is a skunk) but who really wants to molest the gerbil and also sell the fern a lottery ticket?</p>
<p>As like a thought experiment as yours.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/10/09/sundays-ordinarily-my-day-off-but-debate/#comment-1762077</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders:

I believe it&#039;s you who are missing the point.

NeverTrumpers, as well as many people who have a great deal of trouble voting for Trump, don&#039;t believe there&#039;s an angry skunk behind door 2.  They believe there is another man-eating tiger there.

They differ from you on their evaluation of the basic situation. And I believe this has been explained many times.  But this is the source of the disagreement.

Trump supporters seem to consistently ignore that fact, and to trivialize the objections of those who are against Trump.  They try to make it out to be some sort of esthetic protest.  I suppose for some it is, but that&#039;s not what I see out there.  I see much much deeper and more basic objections.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>I believe it&#8217;s you who are missing the point.</p>
<p>NeverTrumpers, as well as many people who have a great deal of trouble voting for Trump, don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s an angry skunk behind door 2.  They believe there is another man-eating tiger there.</p>
<p>They differ from you on their evaluation of the basic situation. And I believe this has been explained many times.  But this is the source of the disagreement.</p>
<p>Trump supporters seem to consistently ignore that fact, and to trivialize the objections of those who are against Trump.  They try to make it out to be some sort of esthetic protest.  I suppose for some it is, but that&#8217;s not what I see out there.  I see much much deeper and more basic objections.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; Richard Saunders Says:
October 10th, 2016 at 11:44 pm

I’ve tried to explain it to my lefty friends this way:

You’re facing four doors. Behind door number 1, a hungry man-eating tiger. Behind door number 2, an angry skunk. Behind door number 3, a confused gerbil. And behind door number 4, a fern.

There are only two rules: 1) if you turn and run, or 2) if you open the door to the gerbil or the fern, door number 1 will immediately open.

What do you do?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You remove your hand from between their heads and the brick wall they are knocking at with it.

What they have done, and will continue to do, is make whatever choice they want since they assume you will always show up in solidarity to pad the crash or pull them out of the rut; and they don&#039;t care how it affects your own welfare and freedom.

What happens when you say to hell with them, and draw your hand back from between their heads and the brick wall? 

The answer is obvious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Richard Saunders Says:<br />
October 10th, 2016 at 11:44 pm</p>
<p>I’ve tried to explain it to my lefty friends this way:</p>
<p>You’re facing four doors. Behind door number 1, a hungry man-eating tiger. Behind door number 2, an angry skunk. Behind door number 3, a confused gerbil. And behind door number 4, a fern.</p>
<p>There are only two rules: 1) if you turn and run, or 2) if you open the door to the gerbil or the fern, door number 1 will immediately open.</p>
<p>What do you do?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>You remove your hand from between their heads and the brick wall they are knocking at with it.</p>
<p>What they have done, and will continue to do, is make whatever choice they want since they assume you will always show up in solidarity to pad the crash or pull them out of the rut; and they don&#8217;t care how it affects your own welfare and freedom.</p>
<p>What happens when you say to hell with them, and draw your hand back from between their heads and the brick wall? </p>
<p>The answer is obvious.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What&#039;s your plan once we drive the republic into a ditch?&quot;

To leave you there ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s your plan once we drive the republic into a ditch?&#8221;</p>
<p>To leave you there &#8230;</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; Big Maq Says:
October 10th, 2016 at 6:26 pm

“on to plan B” — which is?&quot;


I expected you to ask, but as you are not included in, there is no reason to say, now is there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Big Maq Says:<br />
October 10th, 2016 at 6:26 pm</p>
<p>“on to plan B” — which is?&#8221;</p>
<p>I expected you to ask, but as you are not included in, there is no reason to say, now is there.</p>
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