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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/28/okay-okay-just-one-more-post-about-the-debate/#comment-1720430</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2016 02:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;They believed the mantra — “If you like your doctor, you can keep you doctor. Period!”&lt;/b&gt;

If they get fooled once, they can blame other people. That doesn&#039;t work as well when they get fooled twice or thrice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>They believed the mantra — “If you like your doctor, you can keep you doctor. Period!”</b></p>
<p>If they get fooled once, they can blame other people. That doesn&#8217;t work as well when they get fooled twice or thrice.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/28/okay-okay-just-one-more-post-about-the-debate/#comment-1720409</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2016 01:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trum would need lears of reeducation to be capable of reading a speech, someone else wrote or edited, on a teleprompter well. Trum has the &quot;be everything to everyone&quot; cloak that Hussein has, but not Hussein&#039;s other political skills at rhetoric.

Of course, with the American people so debased and empty of virtue, it&#039;s not that hard to rule over them, even lacking rhetorical mastery. People who want a King, will get one, doesn&#039;t matter from what party or what skin color.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trum would need lears of reeducation to be capable of reading a speech, someone else wrote or edited, on a teleprompter well. Trum has the &#8220;be everything to everyone&#8221; cloak that Hussein has, but not Hussein&#8217;s other political skills at rhetoric.</p>
<p>Of course, with the American people so debased and empty of virtue, it&#8217;s not that hard to rule over them, even lacking rhetorical mastery. People who want a King, will get one, doesn&#8217;t matter from what party or what skin color.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/28/okay-okay-just-one-more-post-about-the-debate/#comment-1719478</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the Nate Silver graph on Clinton vs Trump for the past summer.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#odds

Here&#039;s the RCP graph averaging polls of Clinton vs Trumpo

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Trump has touched Hillary&#039;s numbers a few times, but basically he has been losing the whole way, often yugely.

Those who claim Trump could win base that on hunches. I get that. We all have hunches and sometimes hunches turn out right. But going by the cold hard numbers, Trump was never a good choice to beat Hillary, if that was the plan.

The whole &quot;You-gotta-vote-for-Trump-or-it&#039;s-the-end-of-America&quot; argument depended on Trump being able to win and that was always a bad bet other than saying, &quot;Who knows? It could happen.&quot;

If the fate of America truly hangs in the balance, then the only shot I see is agitating for Trump to stand down and let Mike Pence carry the ball.

But the &quot;You-gotta-vote-for-Trump&quot; people won&#039;t touch that idea, which reminds me of the the climate change folks who say climate change is the most important issue ever except ... we can&#039;t use nuclear energy to prevent it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the Nate Silver graph on Clinton vs Trump for the past summer.</p>
<p><a href="http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#odds" rel="nofollow ugc">http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#odds</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the RCP graph averaging polls of Clinton vs Trumpo</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html</a></p>
<p>Trump has touched Hillary&#8217;s numbers a few times, but basically he has been losing the whole way, often yugely.</p>
<p>Those who claim Trump could win base that on hunches. I get that. We all have hunches and sometimes hunches turn out right. But going by the cold hard numbers, Trump was never a good choice to beat Hillary, if that was the plan.</p>
<p>The whole &#8220;You-gotta-vote-for-Trump-or-it&#8217;s-the-end-of-America&#8221; argument depended on Trump being able to win and that was always a bad bet other than saying, &#8220;Who knows? It could happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the fate of America truly hangs in the balance, then the only shot I see is agitating for Trump to stand down and let Mike Pence carry the ball.</p>
<p>But the &#8220;You-gotta-vote-for-Trump&#8221; people won&#8217;t touch that idea, which reminds me of the the climate change folks who say climate change is the most important issue ever except &#8230; we can&#8217;t use nuclear energy to prevent it.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/28/okay-okay-just-one-more-post-about-the-debate/#comment-1719419</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2016 18:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump has dropped another 4 points at Nate Silver: 67-33%. That settles it. Trump lost the debate.

From what I read much of Trump&#039;s failure was due to poor debate preparation and much of that comes down to the difficulty of getting Trump to focus on anything which goes against the grain of his enormous ego.

That&#039;s the guy I want for President!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump has dropped another 4 points at Nate Silver: 67-33%. That settles it. Trump lost the debate.</p>
<p>From what I read much of Trump&#8217;s failure was due to poor debate preparation and much of that comes down to the difficulty of getting Trump to focus on anything which goes against the grain of his enormous ego.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the guy I want for President!</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t worry DJT has 49 days for his miraculous metamorphosis, AKA the pivot, into the non-Trump Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry DJT has 49 days for his miraculous metamorphosis, AKA the pivot, into the non-Trump Trump.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/28/okay-okay-just-one-more-post-about-the-debate/#comment-1715872</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem is Trump is really Trump. He can hide behind prepared scripts and speeches only so long.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is Trump is really Trump. He can hide behind prepared scripts and speeches only so long.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/28/okay-okay-just-one-more-post-about-the-debate/#comment-1715847</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump just dropped six points on the Nate Silver forecast. It&#039;s now 63-37% against Trump.

That would seem to answer the question of how well Trump did in the debate as far as poll respondents are concerned.

There are more debates and more weeks before the election, but this is bad for Trump. He had a good run rising from the ashes of 10% to 43% in a matter of weeks and he might have caught up with Hillary, beset as she is by continuing scandal revelations. Now Trump has lost the mighty mo&#039; -- momentum.

Hillary is a stiff unlikeable candidate and arguably a criminal, but she looks and sounds professional. OTOH Trump without his teleprompter comes across as a nasty blowhard a couple bar stools down beating his gums on how he would run the country.

Strangely enough more Americans will chose the candidate who sounds prepared and professional to be President.

I guess this is what Richard Saunders called &quot;glib.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump just dropped six points on the Nate Silver forecast. It&#8217;s now 63-37% against Trump.</p>
<p>That would seem to answer the question of how well Trump did in the debate as far as poll respondents are concerned.</p>
<p>There are more debates and more weeks before the election, but this is bad for Trump. He had a good run rising from the ashes of 10% to 43% in a matter of weeks and he might have caught up with Hillary, beset as she is by continuing scandal revelations. Now Trump has lost the mighty mo&#8217; &#8212; momentum.</p>
<p>Hillary is a stiff unlikeable candidate and arguably a criminal, but she looks and sounds professional. OTOH Trump without his teleprompter comes across as a nasty blowhard a couple bar stools down beating his gums on how he would run the country.</p>
<p>Strangely enough more Americans will chose the candidate who sounds prepared and professional to be President.</p>
<p>I guess this is what Richard Saunders called &#8220;glib.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/28/okay-okay-just-one-more-post-about-the-debate/#comment-1715500</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2016 18:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;I’m basing my interpretation on the many times he has said something similar, and a bit more clearly.

I give him no pass on his inarticulateness, although I think some of it is purposeful, to be all things to all people. But some of it is real.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - Neo

Then, going forward, let us observe how consistent he will be on this point, or if it continues to be a muddle that can be taken either way.  

No doubt there will be many more opportunities for him to expound on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;I’m basing my interpretation on the many times he has said something similar, and a bit more clearly.</p>
<p>I give him no pass on his inarticulateness, although I think some of it is purposeful, to be all things to all people. But some of it is real.&#8221;</em> &#8211; Neo</p>
<p>Then, going forward, let us observe how consistent he will be on this point, or if it continues to be a muddle that can be taken either way.  </p>
<p>No doubt there will be many more opportunities for him to expound on it.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/28/okay-okay-just-one-more-post-about-the-debate/#comment-1715045</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big Maq:

Trump is very mutable.

But actually, he hasn&#039;t been so mutable on this score. I&#039;m not giving him the benefit of the doubt, I don&#039;t think; I&#039;m basing my interpretation on the many times he has said something similar, and a bit more clearly.

I give him no pass on his inarticulateness, although I think some of it is purposeful, to be all things to all people.  But some of it is real.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Maq:</p>
<p>Trump is very mutable.</p>
<p>But actually, he hasn&#8217;t been so mutable on this score. I&#8217;m not giving him the benefit of the doubt, I don&#8217;t think; I&#8217;m basing my interpretation on the many times he has said something similar, and a bit more clearly.</p>
<p>I give him no pass on his inarticulateness, although I think some of it is purposeful, to be all things to all people.  But some of it is real.</p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/28/okay-okay-just-one-more-post-about-the-debate/#comment-1715012</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M J R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far – and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8.&quot;

http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far – and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/</a></p>
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