Spiral Says:
September 24th, 2016 at 2:36 pm

DNW wrote: “Aren’t you implicitly granting what you would presumably criticize: i.e., identifying culture with color?”

No. I am saying that the argument made by some, that by 2020 the nation will be resistant to conservatism based on demographics, simply does not hold up when one looks at which states are electing conservatives and which state are electing socialists.

You referred to the argument of others as demographic arguments.

You then referred to “94 percent white Vermont” and “lily white Sweden and Denmark” as examples of what you understood “demographic” to mean

Thus, in your rebuttal of their supposed argument, you “rebut” it in terms of color.

Hence, you appear to define or to understand the term “demographic” as it is used in the demographic change alarms, which are raised by those fearing conservatism is slated for demography driven extinction, to refer to demography in terms of population color.

Yet the case of Vermont’s change into a reliably blue state, was in fact the result of demographic changes; changes in the type of population within the state. Changes which occurred as a result of the deliberate migration of culturally different people into Vermont, and basically taking it over politically. This is nothing that is news.

A demographic change; and the state nonetheless, remaining according to you, as “94 percent white”

Population demographics are also an historically accepted explanation for the unusual success of a particular left-liberal tradition in Minnesota … one based on a particular white ethnic ethos which has often been casually referred to:

“Historians refer in passing to the prominence of Scandinavians in Minnesota Farmer-Laborism but seldom document the significant role of ethnics in such movements. This is true even of the well-researched 1981 MHS study. They Chose Minnesota. Among other reasons this may reflect a serious lack of documentary sources for research.

It is only on Minnesota Finnish Americans that extensive primary source materials dealing with radicalism have been identified and collected, mainly at the Immigration History Research Center of the University of Minnesota. The studies of radicalism among Finnish Americans show them active in the left wing in the northeast Minnesota labor movement, the co-operative movement, and the Socialist party, the IWW, and the Communist party. We propose to use the Finnish experience
as a paradigm to raise questions that may provide insights into the history of those other groups.”

The case of German immigration into the United States after the Revolution of 1848, and just prior to the Civil War, and which in part helped drive the domestic politics that set it off, is another well-known example of demographic change influencing elections and politics.

And the Irish hardly need be mentioned.

All, of them white skinned, at least.

Thus, you have not on your own terms rebutted the validity of any arguments or projections based on demographic change per se, but only – ostensibly – on racial or color change.

And whether you have even successfully argued that, would depend on whether the mixed color polities in which you assume color as denoting demography, do in fact distributively enable the election of Republicans, or whether it is merely that a critical opposing cultural mass has not yet been reached in, say, Texas, in contrast to, say, California.

I’ll leave it to you to take up that argument.

Good reply! It takes a lot of matches to burn that strawman at times, strawman’s friends like to distract and divert.

No. I am saying that the argument made by some, that by 2020 the nation will be resistant to conservatism based on demographics, simply does not hold up when one looks at which states are electing conservatives and which state are electing socialists.

Also, it wasn’t that long ago when Donald Trump, a white guy, was praising socialized medicine. It was not that long ago (2013) when Donald Trump was donating money to a Left-Wing Democrat named Terry McAuliffe as McAuliffe was seeking to become Governor of Virginia.

Yet, Publius argues that the only person who can save us from the socialist abyss is Donald Trump. If we are relying on a Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi ally to save us from socialism, it’s a no hoper.

Facts are like lighted matches to a strawman.

“The main premise of Publius’ Flight 93 Election thesis is that demography is inexorably working against conservatism in the political sphere. But if this is the case, why does 94 percent white Vermont elect Bernie Sanders and 70 percent white Texas elect Ted Cruz?”

Aren’t you implicitly granting what you would presumably criticize: i.e., identifying culture with color?

For example, to say that Muslim immigration into the United States is undesirable and results in the importation of pernicious and anti-libertarian ideals, is not to say that no Iraqi’s or Syrians could make desireable neighbors. Chaldeans or Assyrians might serve as a good counter example, and a reminder that Middle Easterner and Muslim are not synonymous, though Muslims from that area have in general done their best to make it so.

The story of the cultural transformation of Vermont politically, as it became a playground for New Yorkers, was documented at the time it was occurring.

But that’s why this country is going to blow up. People rely too much on government, even when they talk about self reliance.

When the power, food, and water goes out, what else are they going to rely, except government? They won’t have a choice then. That’s how you Break Humans.

Anger and bitterness can indeed change a person’s soul. As Lucifer’s shackles surround it and convert the soul to his tool. Watch out for it, but also observe it, because it is an interesting process. It always was, even when people tried to contradict me by saying Hussein wasn’t really evil, just stupid or misguided.

To my Eyes, when evil takes hold of a person’s soul, it is visible to me. Quite visible. I also poke and prod at it using tests, to see if it is really evil or just humans being humans.

engenders ridicule. Play the snark and contempt card and it may come back. Kapish?

Are you trying to emulate Y here, by becoming the mirror to our sins?

Oh boy, here we go.