While I believe investigations are useful because they can get to witness testimonies, all of it, and all of the available evidence, that doesn’t mean I am helpless. There is enough general context description for me to create a preliminary reconstruction of the situation, even if it is just one photo and an incomplete dash cam. Haven’t even seen the dash cam yet, but the photo was very good about the range.

That is not grappling range, of course, but because the woman was trying to “arrest” the target, she was moving herself into grappling range. Of course she should know that herself, which is why she pulled out the gun instead of something else. Lack of confidence in other options will naturally produce that action, because the human instinct doesn’t care about “maybe will work” in perceived life and death situations.

For a person reading a story and trying to judge “whodunnit”, none of this is relevant. Because you aren’t actually doing the action, just reading about it, which is why police don’t like the media and the general public criticizing them from that point of view.

When the police members themselves criticize member conduct, it’s from a different pov.

Fear is a perception. All someone has to do is to think about it, and it will become a kind of reality for their body to react to.

Besides, police safety tactics always prioritize things such as not allowing people to get into grappling range, because then they can overpower the officer, take their gun, and shoot the officer with their own gun. So police officers not only have to worry about potential crims shooting first, but also when crims start walking towards them and they will have to fire first or else lose their firearm entirely.

For someone that only parses the situation based on eye witness reports, you’re right, it wouldn’t be part of what people would talk about, especially if they panick or are shaken up about it. They aren’t entirely accurate in analyzing what happened if they don’t understand their own reactions.

I, do understand my own reactions, and I am describing what would naturally go on in the minds of people in the situation described, which is not reliant on anyone’s testimony per say, but on my own reconstruction of the situation.

A police officer that never thinks about a perp getting within grappling range, yet feels so afraid they cap the target using a tunnel visioned situational unaware state… is maybe psycho not just negligent. Since I’ll just assume this woman and LEO isn’t psycho, I don’t go down that route.

Even in the previous situation people used to talk about, where the black casualty was in his car seat, probably with a seat belt on, with the car door closed, the police man that used his gun, had time to rotate a scenario where the guy rushes out. That’s part of their training, so their OODA would have looped at least once, to consider the situation. They may discard it as non threatening, but then shoot because of a perceived other threat.

I already described her story. But if you want to familiarize yourself with it, read this.

The difference here is, that I don’t need to describe her story, because I’m not using the same analytical methods as you, Neo. I can recreate the situation based on general details, and besides it is more accurate than to fall for media deception and eye witness testimony mistakes. A person that isn’t even aware of other allies around them, due to tunnel vision, will have an interesting testimony, but I wouldn’t consider it all that objective. Of course, that may in itself be inaccurate.

Which is all the more reason why I rely on my own judgment and reconstruction of the incident. Unless they have something more objective to show me, such as the police recording Zimmerman walking through his neighborhood reconstructing the incident which he might be charged with, physical confrontations cannot be reconstructed by using the logic of reading.

The necessary data bandwidth and details aren’t there.

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Well, frogs are good at jumping, aren’t they?

OK – I called KRMG and they referred me to the local Fox station site. AS I post this, KRMG still does not link to the Fox station report. Not good for them….

http://www.fox23.com/news/tulsa-emsa-takes-safety-steps-after-crutcher-shooting/448944572

FYI – EMSA stations their rigs all over the OKC and Tulsa areas so that they can quickly respond to emergency calls. You see them at gas stations, malls and so on. Why would anyone threaten them when they are there to help as fast as feasible?

gees… not smart…. and if EMSA changes their routines, it affects many people in OK – the metro Tulsa and OKC areas.

I enjoyed your article at LI, and esp. comments made by Archer52.

The whole non-compliance factor continues to be at play in (nearly) all of these shootings. If someone pointing a gun at you says ‘do X’, for the most part you should do X, esp if the person with the gun is a PO. (Of course, there’s a reasonableness factor to it, but in this day and age with dashcams and people everywhere, X will likely be reasonable.)

Another commenter at LI blamed Obama and his ilk saying that the black community is being told it’s being oppressed by racists and they should resist. Thugs (or people high on drugs, etc) resist foolishly, not in a sensible manner.

There are over 300 million people in our country- of course such things will happen. This is mainly a method to federalize our police.

http://www.krmg.com/ap/ap/oklahoma/tulsa-police-officer-charged-in-mans-death/nsc8J/

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