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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[notherbob2:

I&#039;m surprised you get ageism vibes from my comment.

First of all, I&#039;m somewhat of an OF (old fart) myself.

Secondly, I don&#039;t think age disqualifies.  I just am surprised, because I know that a lot of people do think that.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m surprised you get ageism vibes from my comment.</p>
<p>First of all, I&#8217;m somewhat of an OF (old fart) myself.</p>
<p>Secondly, I don&#8217;t think age disqualifies.  I just am surprised, because I know that a lot of people do think that.</p>
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		By: notherbob2		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Food for thought:  Sometimes people have a bias that they are not aware that they have.  Being age 75 I often run into ageism from those who have not yet &quot;matured&quot;.

Some pretty hale and hearty youngsters entered what is considered to be one of the toughest endurance races in the world - the American Presidential primary race.  After what is generally considered to be a grueling race, we have two winners.

While one is allowed to have whatever opinion one wishes to have about fitness and ability, I would say that those who have won the actual race have a leg up on who is the fittest.  Therefore, I get ageism vibes from comment like this:

Mayan says:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;It seems odd to someone living across the Pacific to have two roughly 70 year olds campaigning for what is likely to be an 8 year gig.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


 neo-neocon Says:
September 14th, 2016 at 5:57 pm

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Mayan:

Believe me, it seems odd to many of us, too.

It certainly seems odd to me.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food for thought:  Sometimes people have a bias that they are not aware that they have.  Being age 75 I often run into ageism from those who have not yet &#8220;matured&#8221;.</p>
<p>Some pretty hale and hearty youngsters entered what is considered to be one of the toughest endurance races in the world &#8211; the American Presidential primary race.  After what is generally considered to be a grueling race, we have two winners.</p>
<p>While one is allowed to have whatever opinion one wishes to have about fitness and ability, I would say that those who have won the actual race have a leg up on who is the fittest.  Therefore, I get ageism vibes from comment like this:</p>
<p>Mayan says:  <i>&#8220;It seems odd to someone living across the Pacific to have two roughly 70 year olds campaigning for what is likely to be an 8 year gig.&#8221;</i></p>
<p> neo-neocon Says:<br />
September 14th, 2016 at 5:57 pm</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Mayan:</p>
<p>Believe me, it seems odd to many of us, too.</p>
<p>It certainly seems odd to me.&#8221;</i></p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Other Chuck:

I&#039;m not sure how old you are, but at Hillary&#039;s age a lot of people have had a lot of random health problems.  She most definitely has a lot of random health problems.  But they don&#039;t necessarily add up to all that much, actually.  That&#039;s not to say she doesn&#039;t also have some disease or bigger problem.  But I have not yet heard a single diagnosis that unifies her symptoms, or a single new disease diagnosis that makes sense.

This is what we know about her; the rest is rumor.

(1) She has a tendency to blood clots and take anticoagulants for that.  Blood clots can be relatively minor (in the calf, for example) but they can turn deadly. It is not a sign of good health, but it is not necessarily a big deal, and not altogether uncommon in people her age.  It can lead to more serious cardiovascular problems, but not necessarily, and in her case so far it has not led to them.

(2) She has gotten dehydrated twice and both times it has led to bigger problems (word is that she---like many people, and particularly those who are getting on in years---doesn&#039;t always drink enough water).  The first time she had an intestinal flu (probably diarrhea), got dehydrated (this is not all that unusual if you lose enough liquid), fainted and sustained a concussion (December 2012).  After that a blood clot (in &quot;the vein that is situated in the space between the brain and the skull behind the right ear&quot;) as well as double vision were diagnosed. That is probably the most serious health problem she has had that we know of.  She was recovering for about 6 months. 

Some people are subject to fainting more easily than others.  I know several completely healthy people who have fainted several times for a number of reasons that are innocuous.  Fainting is a very non-specific symptom that tells us next to nothing.  Nor is it clear that she has fainted many times; she certainly has not done so publicly. In fact, the only documented time (and I don&#039;t think it was publicly) was when she sustained the concussion.

(3) She has a chronic cough which her doctor has said is allergic in nature.  This is tremendously common and usually an innocuous although annoying symptom.  It is common in people with allergies, and it is common in people with GERD, and both allergies and GERD are also common afflictions in the healthy.

(4) She has an underactive thyroid, which is also a very common problem in post-menopausal woman in particular, and is easily controlled with thyroid replacement, which she takes.

That&#039;s it, folks.  Not a picture of health, but nothing much that would disqualify her from holding office.  At almost 70, nearly everyone is at risk for cardiovascular problems, which appears to be her most serious risk factor based on her history.  People keep using words like &quot;seizures&quot; and &quot;convulsions,&quot; and I&#039;ve watched videos of these so-called seizures or convulsions and that&#039;s does not appear to be what&#039;s happening.

No signs of Parkinson&#039;s, either, as I&#039;ve written before.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Other Chuck:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how old you are, but at Hillary&#8217;s age a lot of people have had a lot of random health problems.  She most definitely has a lot of random health problems.  But they don&#8217;t necessarily add up to all that much, actually.  That&#8217;s not to say she doesn&#8217;t also have some disease or bigger problem.  But I have not yet heard a single diagnosis that unifies her symptoms, or a single new disease diagnosis that makes sense.</p>
<p>This is what we know about her; the rest is rumor.</p>
<p>(1) She has a tendency to blood clots and take anticoagulants for that.  Blood clots can be relatively minor (in the calf, for example) but they can turn deadly. It is not a sign of good health, but it is not necessarily a big deal, and not altogether uncommon in people her age.  It can lead to more serious cardiovascular problems, but not necessarily, and in her case so far it has not led to them.</p>
<p>(2) She has gotten dehydrated twice and both times it has led to bigger problems (word is that she&#8212;like many people, and particularly those who are getting on in years&#8212;doesn&#8217;t always drink enough water).  The first time she had an intestinal flu (probably diarrhea), got dehydrated (this is not all that unusual if you lose enough liquid), fainted and sustained a concussion (December 2012).  After that a blood clot (in &#8220;the vein that is situated in the space between the brain and the skull behind the right ear&#8221;) as well as double vision were diagnosed. That is probably the most serious health problem she has had that we know of.  She was recovering for about 6 months. </p>
<p>Some people are subject to fainting more easily than others.  I know several completely healthy people who have fainted several times for a number of reasons that are innocuous.  Fainting is a very non-specific symptom that tells us next to nothing.  Nor is it clear that she has fainted many times; she certainly has not done so publicly. In fact, the only documented time (and I don&#8217;t think it was publicly) was when she sustained the concussion.</p>
<p>(3) She has a chronic cough which her doctor has said is allergic in nature.  This is tremendously common and usually an innocuous although annoying symptom.  It is common in people with allergies, and it is common in people with GERD, and both allergies and GERD are also common afflictions in the healthy.</p>
<p>(4) She has an underactive thyroid, which is also a very common problem in post-menopausal woman in particular, and is easily controlled with thyroid replacement, which she takes.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it, folks.  Not a picture of health, but nothing much that would disqualify her from holding office.  At almost 70, nearly everyone is at risk for cardiovascular problems, which appears to be her most serious risk factor based on her history.  People keep using words like &#8220;seizures&#8221; and &#8220;convulsions,&#8221; and I&#8217;ve watched videos of these so-called seizures or convulsions and that&#8217;s does not appear to be what&#8217;s happening.</p>
<p>No signs of Parkinson&#8217;s, either, as I&#8217;ve written before.</p>
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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, my stepfather was not always able to hide the tremor. As the disease progressed it became increasingly difficult for him to suppress it. However, back to Hillary...she did suffer a series of falls, one resulting in a serious concussion and blood clot. Signs of neurological problems should seem warranted. Dismiss Dr. Noel&#039;s &quot;diagnosis&quot; of Parkinson&#039;s all you want, claim he cherry picked videos, etc., but the overall picture is one of a stumbling, fainting, weak-kneed, bobble-headed, coughing wreck. As Vanderleun said, they are pumping her up on something. My guess is steroids and/or amphetamines.  The chipmunk cheeks are a dead giveaway for prednisone (which wouldn&#039;t be for Parkinson&#039;s).
As I said, you are probably right that she doesn&#039;t have PD, but she&#039;s sure got some strange symptoms. 
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/Hillary%209-11_1.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, my stepfather was not always able to hide the tremor. As the disease progressed it became increasingly difficult for him to suppress it. However, back to Hillary&#8230;she did suffer a series of falls, one resulting in a serious concussion and blood clot. Signs of neurological problems should seem warranted. Dismiss Dr. Noel&#8217;s &#8220;diagnosis&#8221; of Parkinson&#8217;s all you want, claim he cherry picked videos, etc., but the overall picture is one of a stumbling, fainting, weak-kneed, bobble-headed, coughing wreck. As Vanderleun said, they are pumping her up on something. My guess is steroids and/or amphetamines.  The chipmunk cheeks are a dead giveaway for prednisone (which wouldn&#8217;t be for Parkinson&#8217;s).<br />
As I said, you are probably right that she doesn&#8217;t have PD, but she&#8217;s sure got some strange symptoms.<br />
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2016 04:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Other Chuck:

Yes, it can be consciously controlled in the early stages &lt;i&gt;at times&lt;/i&gt;.  For a while.  But not all the time.  Hillary has never been observed to have a hand or foot tremor, not that I&#039;ve ever seen reported.  And this woman is in the public eye constantly, videotaped constantly, and watched like a hawk constantly by the opposition.

She doesn&#039;t have a tremor.

If every now and then she puts her hand in a position that&#039;s a bit odd---for a few  seconds, when someone is poring over hours of tapes looking for the moment or a moment like it---then &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; would be observed at times going through an odd gesture or two if their every movement were to be similarly scrutinized.

Look, Clinton might have something or other.  She might even develop Parkinson&#039;s some day, as might many people (unfortunately, the illness is not all that uncommon).  But she does not have signs of it now.

I have no idea why people want to give her that diagnosis.  Is it just a case of lemmings, following the leader?  The leader being a few pro-Trump blogs and Dr. Noel, who made a video about it that is completely unconvincing, in my opinion?

Was your stepfather &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; observed to have a tremor?  Was he &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; able to hide or control it?  And did he have &lt;i&gt;none&lt;/i&gt; of the three other cardinal signs of Parkinson&#039;s?  Somehow I doubt it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Other Chuck:</p>
<p>Yes, it can be consciously controlled in the early stages <i>at times</i>.  For a while.  But not all the time.  Hillary has never been observed to have a hand or foot tremor, not that I&#8217;ve ever seen reported.  And this woman is in the public eye constantly, videotaped constantly, and watched like a hawk constantly by the opposition.</p>
<p>She doesn&#8217;t have a tremor.</p>
<p>If every now and then she puts her hand in a position that&#8217;s a bit odd&#8212;for a few  seconds, when someone is poring over hours of tapes looking for the moment or a moment like it&#8212;then <i>everyone</i> would be observed at times going through an odd gesture or two if their every movement were to be similarly scrutinized.</p>
<p>Look, Clinton might have something or other.  She might even develop Parkinson&#8217;s some day, as might many people (unfortunately, the illness is not all that uncommon).  But she does not have signs of it now.</p>
<p>I have no idea why people want to give her that diagnosis.  Is it just a case of lemmings, following the leader?  The leader being a few pro-Trump blogs and Dr. Noel, who made a video about it that is completely unconvincing, in my opinion?</p>
<p>Was your stepfather <i>never</i> observed to have a tremor?  Was he <i>always</i> able to hide or control it?  And did he have <i>none</i> of the three other cardinal signs of Parkinson&#8217;s?  Somehow I doubt it.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, not to dispute you in general because I think you are probably correct, but the hand or foot tremor of early stage Parkinson&#039;s can be consciously controlled. My stepfather would tuck his right foot under a chair leg at dinner and clutch a utensil even when not eating to hide the shakes. Dr. Noel pointed out Hillary&#039;s middle finger trick when gesturing and pressing her hand to her chest afterword. Very suspicious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, not to dispute you in general because I think you are probably correct, but the hand or foot tremor of early stage Parkinson&#8217;s can be consciously controlled. My stepfather would tuck his right foot under a chair leg at dinner and clutch a utensil even when not eating to hide the shakes. Dr. Noel pointed out Hillary&#8217;s middle finger trick when gesturing and pressing her hand to her chest afterword. Very suspicious.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are correct Frog, I will not vote for djt unless it looks like a close contest for Iowa&#039;s measley 7 electoral votes.  I doubt those 7 votes will be a deciding factor; but we are all strangers in a strange land this election cycle so who knows? Certainly not me.

BTW, not voting for djt is not voting for hrc unless one actually votes for hrc. That is something I would not do.  Vote for the donald or else its a vote for hrc when your state&#039;s electoral votes are not in question is, frankly, illogical unless one is a die hard trumpian. Voting for djt in NY will be pissing into the wind. It might make a resident of NY feel good, but its still pissing to a whirlwind.

Dad told me to never piss towards an approaching tornado.  
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct Frog, I will not vote for djt unless it looks like a close contest for Iowa&#8217;s measley 7 electoral votes.  I doubt those 7 votes will be a deciding factor; but we are all strangers in a strange land this election cycle so who knows? Certainly not me.</p>
<p>BTW, not voting for djt is not voting for hrc unless one actually votes for hrc. That is something I would not do.  Vote for the donald or else its a vote for hrc when your state&#8217;s electoral votes are not in question is, frankly, illogical unless one is a die hard trumpian. Voting for djt in NY will be pissing into the wind. It might make a resident of NY feel good, but its still pissing to a whirlwind.</p>
<p>Dad told me to never piss towards an approaching tornado.<br />
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					<description><![CDATA[I think we can all agree that absent some real medical work-ups and release of her records, conjectures about Clinton&#039;s health are just that---conjectures.  Like you Neo, I am not a doctor but I am a very observant and well-informed layperson who has always been interested in science in general and medicine in particular.  I have correctly ascertained the need for medical follow-up countless times with myself, family, and friends by noticing symptoms and problems.  So FWIW, I do not think that all of her problems can be explained by flu, pneumonia, dehydration, or exhaustion. Some of them, sure. But I&#039;ve felt very lightheaded at times myself and once fell to my hands and knees with sight and sound blacking out. In that condition I would not have been able to stand rigidly, like a plank, leaning against the concrete pillar like Clinton.  You&#039;d be slumping, leaning over, bending over, wanting to sit or lay down. There was just something really weird going on with her legs---her upper body and neck were still rigid and at attention, but it was like she lost complete and utter control of her lower body as they tried to help her into the van. So, my suspicions are raised, but my mind is open and eager for hard data.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can all agree that absent some real medical work-ups and release of her records, conjectures about Clinton&#8217;s health are just that&#8212;conjectures.  Like you Neo, I am not a doctor but I am a very observant and well-informed layperson who has always been interested in science in general and medicine in particular.  I have correctly ascertained the need for medical follow-up countless times with myself, family, and friends by noticing symptoms and problems.  So FWIW, I do not think that all of her problems can be explained by flu, pneumonia, dehydration, or exhaustion. Some of them, sure. But I&#8217;ve felt very lightheaded at times myself and once fell to my hands and knees with sight and sound blacking out. In that condition I would not have been able to stand rigidly, like a plank, leaning against the concrete pillar like Clinton.  You&#8217;d be slumping, leaning over, bending over, wanting to sit or lay down. There was just something really weird going on with her legs&#8212;her upper body and neck were still rigid and at attention, but it was like she lost complete and utter control of her lower body as they tried to help her into the van. So, my suspicions are raised, but my mind is open and eager for hard data.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apologies, Neo. But people who research the Web, like my daughter as an example, often make spurious diagnoses.
Like I said earlier, I don&#039;t care what ailment(s) Hillary does not have. I care about correct diagnosis, not a coverup facilitated by Dr. Lisa Barnack.
parker is correct in his comment, even if he won&#039;t vote against Hillary unless it&#039;s real close. Do I have that right, parker?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies, Neo. But people who research the Web, like my daughter as an example, often make spurious diagnoses.<br />
Like I said earlier, I don&#8217;t care what ailment(s) Hillary does not have. I care about correct diagnosis, not a coverup facilitated by Dr. Lisa Barnack.<br />
parker is correct in his comment, even if he won&#8217;t vote against Hillary unless it&#8217;s real close. Do I have that right, parker?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no way to know what ails hrc unless she comes clean on her medical records, and that ain&#039;t gonna happen. Yes, fainting, falling, uncontrolled coughing, concussions, blood clots, etc. point to poor health. Guessing from a far is silly even if done by actual doctors.  Bantering back and forth is futile.  All we know is hrc has given us ample reasons to suspect she has serious health issues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no way to know what ails hrc unless she comes clean on her medical records, and that ain&#8217;t gonna happen. Yes, fainting, falling, uncontrolled coughing, concussions, blood clots, etc. point to poor health. Guessing from a far is silly even if done by actual doctors.  Bantering back and forth is futile.  All we know is hrc has given us ample reasons to suspect she has serious health issues.</p>
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