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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia/#comment-1647446</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 23:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;While I agree with that sentiment, it’s irrelevant as far as objective truth itself is concerned. Whether all of mankind define falsity as ‘truth’ changes reality not in the slightest.&lt;/b&gt;

That would be the case, except for armies under totalitarian governments. THey can make reality fit their illusions, to an extent, if only by killing people and remaking human beings.

It is precisely because the arguments against that were too weak to convince the Left, that the Left is mobilizing their assets for End Game. Power is the language they speak. Even if you could convince them of Objective Truth and nullify their philosophy, their power would still remain uncontested. Which would make it similar to a religious war against Islam. Even if their beliefs are false, they still obtain earthly power as a result of it. The beliefs can be denied, the power still exists in objective reality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>While I agree with that sentiment, it’s irrelevant as far as objective truth itself is concerned. Whether all of mankind define falsity as ‘truth’ changes reality not in the slightest.</b></p>
<p>That would be the case, except for armies under totalitarian governments. THey can make reality fit their illusions, to an extent, if only by killing people and remaking human beings.</p>
<p>It is precisely because the arguments against that were too weak to convince the Left, that the Left is mobilizing their assets for End Game. Power is the language they speak. Even if you could convince them of Objective Truth and nullify their philosophy, their power would still remain uncontested. Which would make it similar to a religious war against Islam. Even if their beliefs are false, they still obtain earthly power as a result of it. The beliefs can be denied, the power still exists in objective reality.</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia/#comment-1633943</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2016 00:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB:<br />
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia/#comment-1633140</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2016 19:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OM, 

While I agree that the air is rarefied up here on Mt. Olympus, I have no doubt that you can navigate the shoals that threaten when entering &quot;Profundity Alert Category IV&quot; rapids...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OM, </p>
<p>While I agree that the air is rarefied up here on Mt. Olympus, I have no doubt that you can navigate the shoals that threaten when entering &#8220;Profundity Alert Category IV&#8221; rapids&#8230;</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia/#comment-1632911</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2016 17:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Comments have now entered Profundity Alert Category IV.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments have now entered Profundity Alert Category IV.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia/#comment-1632825</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2016 16:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;if the entire family, if the entire nation, and even the entire world believes that a person is wrong, how long will that person withstand the pressures of humanity?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Ymarsakar

John Stuart Mill argued, &lt;i&gt;&quot;If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

While I agree with that sentiment, it&#039;s irrelevant as far as objective truth itself is concerned. Whether all of mankind define falsity as &#039;truth&#039; changes reality not in the slightest. 

&lt;b&gt;&quot;And yet, it moves...&quot;&lt;/b&gt; Galileo Galilei]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;if the entire family, if the entire nation, and even the entire world believes that a person is wrong, how long will that person withstand the pressures of humanity?&#8221;</i> Ymarsakar</p>
<p>John Stuart Mill argued, <i>&#8220;If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>While I agree with that sentiment, it&#8217;s irrelevant as far as objective truth itself is concerned. Whether all of mankind define falsity as &#8216;truth&#8217; changes reality not in the slightest. </p>
<p><b>&#8220;And yet, it moves&#8230;&#8221;</b> Galileo Galilei</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia/#comment-1632710</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2016 15:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How would that person &quot;know&quot; the entire world believes he is wrong?  That that hypothetical person is insane.  Oh the pressures of humanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would that person &#8220;know&#8221; the entire world believes he is wrong?  That that hypothetical person is insane.  Oh the pressures of humanity.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia/#comment-1631142</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2016 03:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Anyone who doubts the existence of objective truth, can easily settle the question by dropping a two hundred pound barbell on a bared foot.&lt;/b&gt;

That is why Lucifer deceives entire nations. Once the mind control succeeds, nobody will be allowed to test it, they will instead be tied down by family and friends, and made to recant their &quot;mistaken beliefs&quot;. For if the entire family, if the entire nation, and even the entire world believes that a person is wrong, how long will that person withstand the pressures of humanity?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Anyone who doubts the existence of objective truth, can easily settle the question by dropping a two hundred pound barbell on a bared foot.</b></p>
<p>That is why Lucifer deceives entire nations. Once the mind control succeeds, nobody will be allowed to test it, they will instead be tied down by family and friends, and made to recant their &#8220;mistaken beliefs&#8221;. For if the entire family, if the entire nation, and even the entire world believes that a person is wrong, how long will that person withstand the pressures of humanity?</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia/#comment-1630785</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2016 00:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Historical revisionists are competitors in the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist of the activist game, where narrative is elective truth, and the actual truth is just a narrative that must be competed for like any other.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Eric

I think I understand what you are saying from a pragmatic POV. Nevertheless, I cannot agree that the actual truth is just another narrative. I get stuck there every time I read that. 

Objective truth is not a narrative, it is reality itself. Anyone who doubts the existence of objective truth, can easily settle the question by dropping a two hundred pound barbell on a bared foot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Historical revisionists are competitors in the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist of the activist game, where narrative is elective truth, and the actual truth is just a narrative that must be competed for like any other.&#8221;</i> Eric</p>
<p>I think I understand what you are saying from a pragmatic POV. Nevertheless, I cannot agree that the actual truth is just another narrative. I get stuck there every time I read that. </p>
<p>Objective truth is not a narrative, it is reality itself. Anyone who doubts the existence of objective truth, can easily settle the question by dropping a two hundred pound barbell on a bared foot.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia/#comment-1630624</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2016 23:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clarification:

Notably, the prevailing yet demonstrably false narrative of the US-led Iraq intervention that’s been adopted by the Democrat-front Left, including [&lt;b&gt;Hillary&lt;/b&gt;] Clinton, and Trump-front alt-Right, including Trump, originated as a Russian historical revisionism product that pre-dates the Bush administration.

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&quot;Clinton&quot; in the rest of the comment refers to President Bill Clinton.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification:</p>
<p>Notably, the prevailing yet demonstrably false narrative of the US-led Iraq intervention that’s been adopted by the Democrat-front Left, including [<b>Hillary</b>] Clinton, and Trump-front alt-Right, including Trump, originated as a Russian historical revisionism product that pre-dates the Bush administration.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Clinton&#8221; in the rest of the comment refers to President Bill Clinton.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/09/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia/#comment-1630608</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2016 23:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Historical revisionists are competitors in the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist of the activist game, where narrative is elective truth, and the actual truth is just a narrative that must be competed for like any other.

The competitive challenge of countering historical revisionists goes into why my &lt;a href=&quot;http://learning-curve.blogspot.com/2014/05/operation-iraqi-freedom-faq.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;explanation&lt;/a&gt; of the law and policy, fact basis - ie, the why - of Operation Iraqi Freedom hews to the controlling law, policy, and precedent that defined the operative enforcement procedure for the &quot;governing standard of Iraqi compliance&quot; (UNSCR 1441) and, in the operative context, the determinative fact findings of the Saddam regime&#039;s categorical breach of the Gulf War ceasefire that triggered enforcement with OIF.

The decision for OIF is a straightforward fact pattern. Hence, the reliable way to cut through the conjecture and &lt;i&gt;dis&lt;/i&gt;information that have obscured the Iraq issue is to re-frame the Iraq issue on the foundation of bedrock law, policy, precedent, and facts that make up the OIF decision.

In that context, anchoring my explanation in President Clinton&#039;s Gulf War ceasefire enforcement is purposed to break through Democratic historical revisionists and reach Clinton-supporting Democrats. 

Anchoring in President Clinton&#039;s Gulf War ceasefire enforcement is also essential for properly explaining President Bush&#039;s decision for OIF because Bush carried forward Clinton&#039;s case versus Saddam - including Clinton&#039;s assessment of &quot;the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals, who travel the world among us unnoticed&quot; (17FEB98) and &quot;Iraqi actions pose a continuing unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States&quot; (28JUL00) - and Clinton&#039;s operative enforcement procedure to &quot;bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations&quot; (P.L. 105-235).

Notably, the prevailing yet &lt;i&gt;demonstrably&lt;/i&gt; false narrative of the US-led Iraq intervention that&#039;s been adopted by the Democrat-front Left, including Clinton, and Trump-front alt-Right, including Trump, originated as a Russian historical revisionism product that pre-dates the Bush administration. 

The difference in the politics is due to Democrats who upheld President Clinton&#039;s Gulf War ceasefire enforcement by countering Russian historical revisionism in the politics subsequently adopted the same Russian propaganda to vilify President Bush&#039;s Gulf War ceasefire enforcement in the politics despite that Bush&#039;s Iraq enforcement dutifully carried forward Clinton&#039;s Iraq enforcement. 

Meanwhile, Republicans, instead of doing their part to competitively counter the historical revisionists, have mostly conceded the demonstrably false narrative of OIF, despite the readily accessible law, policy, precedent, and fact record that plainly demonstrates that President Bush&#039;s decision for OIF was correct on the law and facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historical revisionists are competitors in the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist of the activist game, where narrative is elective truth, and the actual truth is just a narrative that must be competed for like any other.</p>
<p>The competitive challenge of countering historical revisionists goes into why my <a href="http://learning-curve.blogspot.com/2014/05/operation-iraqi-freedom-faq.html" rel="nofollow">explanation</a> of the law and policy, fact basis &#8211; ie, the why &#8211; of Operation Iraqi Freedom hews to the controlling law, policy, and precedent that defined the operative enforcement procedure for the &#8220;governing standard of Iraqi compliance&#8221; (UNSCR 1441) and, in the operative context, the determinative fact findings of the Saddam regime&#8217;s categorical breach of the Gulf War ceasefire that triggered enforcement with OIF.</p>
<p>The decision for OIF is a straightforward fact pattern. Hence, the reliable way to cut through the conjecture and <i>dis</i>information that have obscured the Iraq issue is to re-frame the Iraq issue on the foundation of bedrock law, policy, precedent, and facts that make up the OIF decision.</p>
<p>In that context, anchoring my explanation in President Clinton&#8217;s Gulf War ceasefire enforcement is purposed to break through Democratic historical revisionists and reach Clinton-supporting Democrats. </p>
<p>Anchoring in President Clinton&#8217;s Gulf War ceasefire enforcement is also essential for properly explaining President Bush&#8217;s decision for OIF because Bush carried forward Clinton&#8217;s case versus Saddam &#8211; including Clinton&#8217;s assessment of &#8220;the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals, who travel the world among us unnoticed&#8221; (17FEB98) and &#8220;Iraqi actions pose a continuing unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States&#8221; (28JUL00) &#8211; and Clinton&#8217;s operative enforcement procedure to &#8220;bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations&#8221; (P.L. 105-235).</p>
<p>Notably, the prevailing yet <i>demonstrably</i> false narrative of the US-led Iraq intervention that&#8217;s been adopted by the Democrat-front Left, including Clinton, and Trump-front alt-Right, including Trump, originated as a Russian historical revisionism product that pre-dates the Bush administration. </p>
<p>The difference in the politics is due to Democrats who upheld President Clinton&#8217;s Gulf War ceasefire enforcement by countering Russian historical revisionism in the politics subsequently adopted the same Russian propaganda to vilify President Bush&#8217;s Gulf War ceasefire enforcement in the politics despite that Bush&#8217;s Iraq enforcement dutifully carried forward Clinton&#8217;s Iraq enforcement. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, Republicans, instead of doing their part to competitively counter the historical revisionists, have mostly conceded the demonstrably false narrative of OIF, despite the readily accessible law, policy, precedent, and fact record that plainly demonstrates that President Bush&#8217;s decision for OIF was correct on the law and facts.</p>
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