He/she/? says a lot of lofty pretentious stuff and has decided the state of my soul and my relationship with Jesus Christ – “That is what makes you a Christian heretic, OM.” – now need’s his attention.

Frankly it isn’t for Y to judge or to decide, which is a good thing, since burning “heretics” not being permitted in these degraded times in the west.

Y may be longing for the good old days when burning at the stake was permitted for Christians or maybe he wished to live in a Moslem-majority in country where heresy is, shall I say more than just frowned upon. There is a problem for Y going to said countries: leaving the LDS faith, decisions, decisions, maybe a revelation is coming to Y?

So continue to make stuff up Ymarskar, don’t stop with percentages and theology, just keep the self parody coming.

Reign down your “wisdom” from on high. Or not.

That is what makes you a Christian heretic, OM.

The Gospel was for the transformation of humanity, and given what we see of human nature now, it could use some upgrades. Relying on divine power to transform mortal human spirits is not the same as relying on human powers to do the same.

I speak in OM’s language, because frankly OM has been stepping on GB and others here as if they were ants, for awhile now. But then again, I wouldn’t expect sub average humans to perceive my mirror like qualities.

While people can say they know arrogance and pride, because they themselves are arrogant and prideful, I wouldn’t buy too deeply into that one.

I have observed verily and in great detail, the manner in which OM ridicules and harasses people who have said that conscience is not an issue in this election. When people like OM believes that makes his brand of Christianity “better” because of their “conscience”, yet the behavior does not confer upon them the moral righteousness they crave, an element of cognitive dissonance results. Which is a crisis of faith, not a crisis of psychology.

If people are going to a hell devised by the actions of their own soul, while on this mortal shell on Earth, then let them do so if that is their true desire. If they wish to discard their conscience and vote for the devil or for some other person who is better than the devil, then that is still their choice and the consequences will be theirs to bear, even if they believe everybody else should be like them. This does not make people who declare conscience as an overriding concern in this election, “better”. This is why it is easy for me to say that it doesn’t matter to me what people vote for. I am not on the anti Trum side, the anti Right side, the anti Left side, or even “Any Side” at all.

I had no “side” to be on in 2007, and no god seemed existent on any mountain in 2007 as the world went under the heels of the Left and Islam’s evil either.

It is not being “hung up” (since you and I both recognize this problem with trump) really. Instead, it is that others seem to be ignoring that part of trump.

Actually, it is more about how they go further and point to an article that discusses what trump recently has said on an issue, as if that makes it any clearer and is somehow proof of what he will actually do, without also explaining how it is to be believed in context of the wide variations he has articulated prior.

trump’s mutability on just about everything is only ONE of the problems that disqualifies him.

I have never intentionally engaged in a strawman argument, if I have inadvertently done so, I apologize. That however does not excuse you from having done so and responding with what is effectively an admission, “well you do it too”… while refusing to openly admit to it, does not speak well of your character.

Ah, now I see in how you are using the label ‘apprentice’ as it applies to Trump. Sure, that’s certainly true. Which in no way changes the reality of the choice we face, unless you posit that an untried, inexperienced apprentice is worse than a marxist progressive ideologue.

I fully get the problem that an Article V convention would hope to address, I’m just doubtful that it will work to our advantage. While if Hillary is elected, I realize we’ll have little left to lose, even if it works out as I fear it might.

Apprentice – no actual experience in working as a government employee of any kind, never worked in any context serving the nation or the local community, no experience even serving in his congregation (elder, deacon, etc.) no actual experience running for public office for anything.

But he knows hotels, casinos, golf courses, and universities. /S

And you don’t seem to get the problem that requires Article V. The problem is bigger than HRC or DJT, congress, the judiciary, and the executive (and their regulators) have to be reigned in. No matter how your NY Pinochet/Franco/Mussolini behaves.

Not better human beings, better citizens. Pointing out that necessity is not suggesting that the flawed, fickle, immoral and ungodly masses prepared to vote for Clinton should be ‘stepped upon’. Please refrain from implied strawman accusations.

Yes, the founders well knew of humanity’s “feet of clay” and in their time, human beings were no better than they are today but overall, the moral fiber of America at that time made for better citizens.

Stating that we need better citizens does offer support for Pres. Adams having the right of it; “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” I’ve also previously explained what IMO Adams meant by “a moral and religious people”, which given his history, I do not think meant people who cleave to religious dogma unthinkingly accepted at Sunday lectures.

That Y offers egotistical advice from Mt. Olympus does not mean that he is wrong on that issue.

Trump is an apprentice of whom? Evidence please.

HRC and Obama are traitors, as their actions provide definitive proof of that charge. That an infamous congress stands unwilling to prosecute, changes the truth not in the slightest. And a factual statement stands independent of ‘feelings’.

“But it is not” DJT himself [or HRC herself] “which is the definitive factor. It is the strength of the forces behind each, wherein the difference lies.”

There, I fixed it for you with a bit of emphasis to ensure ‘clarity’.

I’ve been entirely consistent in that position and have repeatedly listed the specific factors that have led me to the conclusion that the forces at Hillary’s side are far more powerful and therefore far more dangerous than are those that stand at Trump’s side.

But even should events prove otherwise, history demonstrates that societies, in the aftermath of a Pinochet, recover far more easily and surely than in the aftermath of a Castro or Chavez.

That is NOT an endorsement of the path down which a Pinochet leads, simply recognition of what history teaches about each path.

I’ve also said that I don’t see any way to avoid one or the other of those paths. Hopefully, I’m wrong about that but the evidence for that being the reality we face, IMO appears fairly certain.

Maybe… an Article V Convention could open up another path but of that, I am not hopeful. I will fully support a movement for such a convention if Hillary gets in and, depending upon his behavior may also support one with a Pres. Trump.