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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/29/new-of-the-day-fashion-of-the-day/#comment-1622075</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2016 04:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The biggest shock I had was learning about the MTV awards. Why in the name of all that is holy are there &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; MTV awards?

Oh, yeah, that&#039;s right. So a couple of disgusting people who wouldn&#039;t have a future as a men&#039;s room attendant or a waitress at a Vegas strip club can &quot;do their thing&quot; on a red carpet. Somewhere in the world.

I feel so sorry for that kid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest shock I had was learning about the MTV awards. Why in the name of all that is holy are there <em>still</em> MTV awards?</p>
<p>Oh, yeah, that&#8217;s right. So a couple of disgusting people who wouldn&#8217;t have a future as a men&#8217;s room attendant or a waitress at a Vegas strip club can &#8220;do their thing&#8221; on a red carpet. Somewhere in the world.</p>
<p>I feel so sorry for that kid.</p>
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		By: Nick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2016 19:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess the point is to let you know she&#039;s going to have a kid who will be well-fed.  (I can&#039;t believe I just thought of that line.  I wish I&#039;d opened with it.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the point is to let you know she&#8217;s going to have a kid who will be well-fed.  (I can&#8217;t believe I just thought of that line.  I wish I&#8217;d opened with it.)</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[re: fashion

I&#039;ve been traveling lately. I notice more tattoos in Arizona and New Mexico than I saw in San Francisco, and often on people 40+ years-old.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: fashion</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been traveling lately. I notice more tattoos in Arizona and New Mexico than I saw in San Francisco, and often on people 40+ years-old.</p>
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		By: Juli		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My guess is that there is double sided fashion tape holding the fabric to the chest area.  This will let the rest of the jacket look like it is flowing free (and suggesting possible total exposure).  

Walk in any urban area and you will see much worse, although not as explicit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that there is double sided fashion tape holding the fabric to the chest area.  This will let the rest of the jacket look like it is flowing free (and suggesting possible total exposure).  </p>
<p>Walk in any urban area and you will see much worse, although not as explicit.</p>
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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/29/new-of-the-day-fashion-of-the-day/#comment-1612788</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2016 06:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, I see I committed an unbalanced parenthesis above.  There&#039;s at least one other little problem in there as well, but I forget what it is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I see I committed an unbalanced parenthesis above.  There&#8217;s at least one other little problem in there as well, but I forget what it is.</p>
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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/29/new-of-the-day-fashion-of-the-day/#comment-1612778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2016 05:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By the way, if anyone needs an opinion on English, I have plenty and to spare.  Just ask.  *g*

I really don&#039;t give a fig for what Merriam-Webster says.  It&#039;s never been authoritative; none of them are as informed as the completed 1933 Edition of the OED.  The 1971 reprint is even better as it includes errata, and a few new words.  I am fortunate to have the 1971 Reprint in compact form, just two very thick and heavy volumes, and you need a x64 magnifier to read the print, but oh well.  (This is known as the Compact OED. It was produced from microfiche, I think, of the original.)

And in any case, as we are so often told, the Dictionary purports to be descriptive not prescriptive:  It tries to tell us how word are or were used, not how they should be used.

(It&#039;s much better, of course, to take them as both reporting on usage and setting the rules for it, assuming the dictionary is reliable;  because in that way, everyone in a discussion can start from the same place.  Used properly and with comfortable familiarity, its use can greatly ease communication and even more importantly, &lt;em&gt; aid in clear thought.&lt;/em&gt;

Let me point out that just because people have used a given word in an unfortunate and sometimes contradictory matter over the space of, say, 500 years, does not make that use legitimate.  There are still people who literally believe in witches, too, but that doesn&#039;t mean witches exist.  (Except in my house.  I hear them whistling around at night, in the dark....)

Construction -- BE - TWEEN -- suggests that Neo&#039;s rules, and the rule I learned, is correct.  Between certainly suggests, and ought to be consistently used, to denote a relationship or connection of some sort, of two elements;  AMONG where there are more than two.

. . .
And for the love of heaven, don&#039;t be bullied by the PC crowd into giving up Standard English!  

HE is, in one meaning, the pronoun of UNSPECIFIED gender; in another, the pronoun referring to the male.  They are conceptually quite distinct, hence in fact are homonyms.

It is in no way disrespectful of or demeaning toward us girls to write things like, &quot;When a person goes out on a rainy day he often takes an umbrella.&quot;  If that upsets one, one is acknowledging that one is of the Victim Class, and by now, that one is ignorant besides.

I see Learned Professors, especially in Law and in Philosophy, stooping to pretend that &quot;she&quot; is a pronoun of unspecified gender also.

It&#039;s not only grating;  it makes the writer look silly, ignorant, and craven, all at once.

And it makes those of us who can read, want to throw the book or article you-know-where.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, if anyone needs an opinion on English, I have plenty and to spare.  Just ask.  *g*</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t give a fig for what Merriam-Webster says.  It&#8217;s never been authoritative; none of them are as informed as the completed 1933 Edition of the OED.  The 1971 reprint is even better as it includes errata, and a few new words.  I am fortunate to have the 1971 Reprint in compact form, just two very thick and heavy volumes, and you need a x64 magnifier to read the print, but oh well.  (This is known as the Compact OED. It was produced from microfiche, I think, of the original.)</p>
<p>And in any case, as we are so often told, the Dictionary purports to be descriptive not prescriptive:  It tries to tell us how word are or were used, not how they should be used.</p>
<p>(It&#8217;s much better, of course, to take them as both reporting on usage and setting the rules for it, assuming the dictionary is reliable;  because in that way, everyone in a discussion can start from the same place.  Used properly and with comfortable familiarity, its use can greatly ease communication and even more importantly, <em> aid in clear thought.</em></p>
<p>Let me point out that just because people have used a given word in an unfortunate and sometimes contradictory matter over the space of, say, 500 years, does not make that use legitimate.  There are still people who literally believe in witches, too, but that doesn&#8217;t mean witches exist.  (Except in my house.  I hear them whistling around at night, in the dark&#8230;.)</p>
<p>Construction &#8212; BE &#8211; TWEEN &#8212; suggests that Neo&#8217;s rules, and the rule I learned, is correct.  Between certainly suggests, and ought to be consistently used, to denote a relationship or connection of some sort, of two elements;  AMONG where there are more than two.</p>
<p>. . .<br />
And for the love of heaven, don&#8217;t be bullied by the PC crowd into giving up Standard English!  </p>
<p>HE is, in one meaning, the pronoun of UNSPECIFIED gender; in another, the pronoun referring to the male.  They are conceptually quite distinct, hence in fact are homonyms.</p>
<p>It is in no way disrespectful of or demeaning toward us girls to write things like, &#8220;When a person goes out on a rainy day he often takes an umbrella.&#8221;  If that upsets one, one is acknowledging that one is of the Victim Class, and by now, that one is ignorant besides.</p>
<p>I see Learned Professors, especially in Law and in Philosophy, stooping to pretend that &#8220;she&#8221; is a pronoun of unspecified gender also.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not only grating;  it makes the writer look silly, ignorant, and craven, all at once.</p>
<p>And it makes those of us who can read, want to throw the book or article you-know-where.</p>
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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2016 05:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matt_SE:  A good point, but chief among the mystery cults has long been said to be the Fertility Cult.  (I wouldn&#039;t know.  That fat little statuette from Willendorf was before my time.  But for the record, I never thought she looked preggers -- just fat.  Didn&#039;t I read somewhere that in the Bad Old Days, when there wasn&#039;t enough to eat, being fat was a status symbol?  Or maybe it indicated that she was aged, thus deserving of special respect....)

And I&#039;m 80% sure that Demi and her, um, &quot;handler&quot; thought that she&#039;d get plenty of delicious attention with that cover, and was handsome enough to carry it off.  Ditto for &lt;em&gt;Vanity Fair&lt;/em&gt;.

But acknowledging the existence of all the parts of the human body, including the indelicate ones, and then becoming so familiar with them as part of the mental as well as the social scenery, has been a project since at least the &#039;50s, and probably before.  Really, the entire 20th century and right up to today has been involved in trying to break free of the restraints of the Victorians (never mind the culture changes that occurred over Queen Victoria&#039;s 60-year reign);  in particular, in manners and morality.

(I imagine part of this is the normal inter-generational cultural rebellion, and of course it was a big theme of the Marxists,  from whom the New Left got it.  Important issues, like should you close the door to the loo, or is that too bourgois?)

I&#039;ve often thought that in the second half of the 20th at least (I was born in 1943) people were far more obsessed with s*e*x than the Victorians ever were.  &quot;Sir, do you know how many children I have?&quot; asked the Queen....

And part of that is accepting that preggers is preggers, and that beauty and meaning can be found in the condition.  As well as pride shared by the about-to-be parents;  and Hope.

OR, of course, the whole thing can be put on for shock value and to get attention, and to show how very  &lt;em&gt;avant&lt;/em&gt; we all are.

Personally, when the Young Miss was in that somewhat unfinished state, we still wore Maternity Dresses and Maternity Blouses.

Sometimes we were still wearing them ten years later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt_SE:  A good point, but chief among the mystery cults has long been said to be the Fertility Cult.  (I wouldn&#8217;t know.  That fat little statuette from Willendorf was before my time.  But for the record, I never thought she looked preggers &#8212; just fat.  Didn&#8217;t I read somewhere that in the Bad Old Days, when there wasn&#8217;t enough to eat, being fat was a status symbol?  Or maybe it indicated that she was aged, thus deserving of special respect&#8230;.)</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m 80% sure that Demi and her, um, &#8220;handler&#8221; thought that she&#8217;d get plenty of delicious attention with that cover, and was handsome enough to carry it off.  Ditto for <em>Vanity Fair</em>.</p>
<p>But acknowledging the existence of all the parts of the human body, including the indelicate ones, and then becoming so familiar with them as part of the mental as well as the social scenery, has been a project since at least the &#8217;50s, and probably before.  Really, the entire 20th century and right up to today has been involved in trying to break free of the restraints of the Victorians (never mind the culture changes that occurred over Queen Victoria&#8217;s 60-year reign);  in particular, in manners and morality.</p>
<p>(I imagine part of this is the normal inter-generational cultural rebellion, and of course it was a big theme of the Marxists,  from whom the New Left got it.  Important issues, like should you close the door to the loo, or is that too bourgois?)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often thought that in the second half of the 20th at least (I was born in 1943) people were far more obsessed with s*e*x than the Victorians ever were.  &#8220;Sir, do you know how many children I have?&#8221; asked the Queen&#8230;.</p>
<p>And part of that is accepting that preggers is preggers, and that beauty and meaning can be found in the condition.  As well as pride shared by the about-to-be parents;  and Hope.</p>
<p>OR, of course, the whole thing can be put on for shock value and to get attention, and to show how very  <em>avant</em> we all are.</p>
<p>Personally, when the Young Miss was in that somewhat unfinished state, we still wore Maternity Dresses and Maternity Blouses.</p>
<p>Sometimes we were still wearing them ten years later.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2016 03:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frog:

Don&#039;t encourage them!  At least the bottom is covered up by her pants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frog:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t encourage them!  At least the bottom is covered up by her pants.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2016 02:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pregnant fiancee, right. Two poseurs.
How are we ever to stop the decline?
Where is the bottom?
Theodore Dalrymple, help us out here.
Where is the bottom?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pregnant fiancee, right. Two poseurs.<br />
How are we ever to stop the decline?<br />
Where is the bottom?<br />
Theodore Dalrymple, help us out here.<br />
Where is the bottom?</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2016 00:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As the donald would say sad, bad.  There is a special beauty in pregnancy, a best kept private beauty. The urge to make the special, private portions of our lives public is a sign of the narcissistic nature of our society. Personally, I blame my generation and Carlos Dangerous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the donald would say sad, bad.  There is a special beauty in pregnancy, a best kept private beauty. The urge to make the special, private portions of our lives public is a sign of the narcissistic nature of our society. Personally, I blame my generation and Carlos Dangerous.</p>
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