“humans are the only documented case of ‘true’ homosexuality in wild animals. ‘It is not the case that you have lesbian bonobos or gay male bonobos,’ says Vasey. ‘What’s been described is that many animals are happy to engage in sex with partners of either sex’.”

Vasey is based at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada, and has been studying macaques for over 20 years.

The concern with transgender spectrum disorder including homosexual and crossover orientations, is first, do they pose a threat to other human lives. Second, since they are dysfunctional orientations (e.g. Dodo Dynasty), are they a progressive condition in society, in humanity. Male transgender/homosexual behavior is more dysfunctional by virtue of biological incongruity in how they choose to copulate with each other. While this threat is immediate, it is also limited to their choice of partners. Perhaps advocates of transgender/homosexual couplets believe that the threat can be mitigated in closed relationships. Then there is reproductive prostitution (i.e. “surrogates”) to normalize transgender/homosexual behavior, but that began in earnest with the female chauvinists’ dysfunctional revolution. Still, there is nothing more dysfunctional and a greater violation of human and civil rights than the State-established Pro-Choice Church’s advocacy for abortion rites and clinical cannibalism, and its doctrines of selective and arbitrary principles (e.g. class diversity schemes, selective exclusion or congruity (“=”), anti-native adventurism).

So? That doesn’t address the science on homosexuality, which says “some nature, some nurture.” And if you believe in free will, probably some of that, too, like with most behavior patterns.

Homosexuality occurs in nature in other species, which makes IMO the argument that it’s strictly a choice problematic at best.

Is anyone here arguing that it is?

Widespread homosexuality for a species would be suicidal, so I agree that it’s abnormal, while also being a natural condition.

True, but there have been societies where bisexuality was widely practiced. Ancient Greece, for one.

I’m curious, what do you mean by “natural condition”?

The transgendered deserve compassion, driven to be something that they can never be …

Yes, they do.

liberty wolf: At any rate, I hate to come back and comment here on this topic, since I haven’t been here for awhile.

I’m glad you did, though. The more points of view the better. I can’t learn much from people who only agree with me.

Richard Aubrey: If nurture, then it would likely be the case that a person could be un-nurtured, to coin a phrase, notwithstanding that current efforts don’t seem to work.

Well, sometimes they are successful. There are a number of people who have gone from homosexual to heterosexual, just as there are a number who have gone from heterosexual to homosexual. This isn’t something that can’t change, at least not for everyone.

LindaF, it could also be that there is a genetic factor for men but not women. That’s consistent with the report.

I think it’s more of a brain thing, the “nature” part, than a body thing. For the record…

Some background on how Christian churches deal with homosexuality, cross referenced with my own research on the details of specific church organizations and their popular representatives.

It tells a somewhat different story than the “scientific consensus” and “human authorities” of this world.