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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/18/defending-trump/#comment-1567349</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Oh the Trumpers are so gracious to sew their wisdom and insight upon we poor wretches, &quot;Pearls before swine.&quot;.  Oh thank You Frog Prince!

Give it up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh the Trumpers are so gracious to sew their wisdom and insight upon we poor wretches, &#8220;Pearls before swine.&#8221;.  Oh thank You Frog Prince!</p>
<p>Give it up.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/18/defending-trump/#comment-1565420</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2016 18:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;He, like many, had the mistaken assumption that trump would electorally burn himself out by his own inflammatory rhetoric and behavior.&lt;/b&gt;

Actually, Cruz is pretty radical as a Tea Party, and in fact shut down DC so badly Hussein got pissed enough to send the park rangers to slam down on veterans and close areas to veterans and citizens.

That, to me, means Cruz didn&#039;t want to object to Trum because Cruz agreed with Trum. Also Cruz didn&#039;t want to show his cards too soon, so if Trum wasn&#039;t attacking Cruz, Cruz wouldn&#039;t attack Trum.

Trum, however due to his deal with the Clintons, seemed to be attacking whichever Republican looked the most dangerous to Democrats in the general.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>He, like many, had the mistaken assumption that trump would electorally burn himself out by his own inflammatory rhetoric and behavior.</b></p>
<p>Actually, Cruz is pretty radical as a Tea Party, and in fact shut down DC so badly Hussein got pissed enough to send the park rangers to slam down on veterans and close areas to veterans and citizens.</p>
<p>That, to me, means Cruz didn&#8217;t want to object to Trum because Cruz agreed with Trum. Also Cruz didn&#8217;t want to show his cards too soon, so if Trum wasn&#8217;t attacking Cruz, Cruz wouldn&#8217;t attack Trum.</p>
<p>Trum, however due to his deal with the Clintons, seemed to be attacking whichever Republican looked the most dangerous to Democrats in the general.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/18/defending-trump/#comment-1565367</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Cruz’s first mistake was temporarily allying himself with DJT, early on. Big mistake. I know a former Cruz campaign worker who, at the time, when I asked him about this, spoke of “Mr. Trump” in respectful tones.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - Bill

Yep.  Back in Sep/Oct, on Disqus, was &quot;shouted down&quot; by several trump or Cruz supporters (IDK which) for suggesting that Cruz was making this mistake, and that he needed to differentiate himself vs ride trump&#039;s wake.

It would have risked becoming a target of trump&#039;s ire, but Cruz still had the most credibility in all the candidates to make the case that trump was not conservative, nor had the attributes to make a good POTUS.  

The door was open through to his Iowa win, but he never moved completely until it was too late.

He, like many, had the mistaken assumption that trump would electorally burn himself out by his own inflammatory rhetoric and behavior.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Cruz’s first mistake was temporarily allying himself with DJT, early on. Big mistake. I know a former Cruz campaign worker who, at the time, when I asked him about this, spoke of “Mr. Trump” in respectful tones.&#8221;</em> &#8211; Bill</p>
<p>Yep.  Back in Sep/Oct, on Disqus, was &#8220;shouted down&#8221; by several trump or Cruz supporters (IDK which) for suggesting that Cruz was making this mistake, and that he needed to differentiate himself vs ride trump&#8217;s wake.</p>
<p>It would have risked becoming a target of trump&#8217;s ire, but Cruz still had the most credibility in all the candidates to make the case that trump was not conservative, nor had the attributes to make a good POTUS.  </p>
<p>The door was open through to his Iowa win, but he never moved completely until it was too late.</p>
<p>He, like many, had the mistaken assumption that trump would electorally burn himself out by his own inflammatory rhetoric and behavior.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/18/defending-trump/#comment-1565302</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Those in group (2) are just flat wrong. They are Mr Magoos, foolish in their myopia which they confuse with distant vision.&lt;/i&gt;

Frog: I have long been touched by the open-minded graciousness of Trump and his defenders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Those in group (2) are just flat wrong. They are Mr Magoos, foolish in their myopia which they confuse with distant vision.</i></p>
<p>Frog: I have long been touched by the open-minded graciousness of Trump and his defenders.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/18/defending-trump/#comment-1565279</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Frog - read this (don&#039;t just see it)...
http://thefederalist.com/2016/08/18/you-dont-need-to-vote-for-the-lesser-evil/

Read it, as there a lot packed into it that cannot be captured in this summary statement from the author...

&lt;em&gt;&quot;adopting the lesser evil principle of voting is to reject principle and the idea that actions, apart from outcomes, matter&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

As in Bill&#039;s #3 category (how you missed that, IDK), you completely ignore that there are legitimate concerns based on principle.

It is a fundamental question, asked repeatedly by yours truly.

You, evidently, find trump &quot;acceptable&quot;, so just what is the limiting principle in pursuit of stopping clinton from getting elected?  What is a step too far?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frog &#8211; read this (don&#8217;t just see it)&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://thefederalist.com/2016/08/18/you-dont-need-to-vote-for-the-lesser-evil/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://thefederalist.com/2016/08/18/you-dont-need-to-vote-for-the-lesser-evil/</a></p>
<p>Read it, as there a lot packed into it that cannot be captured in this summary statement from the author&#8230;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;adopting the lesser evil principle of voting is to reject principle and the idea that actions, apart from outcomes, matter&#8221;</em></p>
<p>As in Bill&#8217;s #3 category (how you missed that, IDK), you completely ignore that there are legitimate concerns based on principle.</p>
<p>It is a fundamental question, asked repeatedly by yours truly.</p>
<p>You, evidently, find trump &#8220;acceptable&#8221;, so just what is the limiting principle in pursuit of stopping clinton from getting elected?  What is a step too far?</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/18/defending-trump/#comment-1565234</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill:
See Walter Hudson&#039;s purely egoistic piece on this theme in today&#039;s PJ Media:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/08/18/impotent-rage-now-best-argument-for-trump/

Self-centeredness tinged with sanctimony does not an opposition make. It enables instead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill:<br />
See Walter Hudson&#8217;s purely egoistic piece on this theme in today&#8217;s PJ Media:<br />
<a href="https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/08/18/impotent-rage-now-best-argument-for-trump/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/08/18/impotent-rage-now-best-argument-for-trump/</a></p>
<p>Self-centeredness tinged with sanctimony does not an opposition make. It enables instead.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/18/defending-trump/#comment-1565226</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Should be &quot;Cue&quot; the seers. I also made the old &quot;it&#039;s&quot; versus &quot;its {possessive}&quot; mistake. D&#039;oh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should be &#8220;Cue&#8221; the seers. I also made the old &#8220;it&#8217;s&#8221; versus &#8220;its {possessive}&#8221; mistake. D&#8217;oh.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/18/defending-trump/#comment-1565215</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frog,

You forgot 3) Those who think Hillary will be awful, and that Trump will be worse than Hillary, and that therefore we&#039;re basically screwed, but if we the conservative movement can somehow survive (it won&#039;t if Trump is it&#039;s poster-boy) and mount an opposition we might be OK. But that someone as dishonest, narcissistic, non-conservative, vengeful, cruel, petty, ignorant, and self-absorbed as DJT should never be given his own military, state police, and nuclear arsenal.

You forgot that one.

Queue the seers who tell me that the chances of Trump being worse than Hillary are &quot;empirically&quot; zero, that I am &quot;willfully blind&quot;, etc.

I wouldn&#039;t hire him to walk my dog. The Stupid Party should have nominated someone else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frog,</p>
<p>You forgot 3) Those who think Hillary will be awful, and that Trump will be worse than Hillary, and that therefore we&#8217;re basically screwed, but if we the conservative movement can somehow survive (it won&#8217;t if Trump is it&#8217;s poster-boy) and mount an opposition we might be OK. But that someone as dishonest, narcissistic, non-conservative, vengeful, cruel, petty, ignorant, and self-absorbed as DJT should never be given his own military, state police, and nuclear arsenal.</p>
<p>You forgot that one.</p>
<p>Queue the seers who tell me that the chances of Trump being worse than Hillary are &#8220;empirically&#8221; zero, that I am &#8220;willfully blind&#8221;, etc.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t hire him to walk my dog. The Stupid Party should have nominated someone else.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/18/defending-trump/#comment-1565198</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There seem to be very few genuine Trump fans here, as has been true all along. 

The posters seem divided between 1) those that see Hillary as a Great Evil, an Evil as great as Obama has been, another creator of irreversible, permanent harm, rending the Constitutional fabric further;  

and 2) those who believe the country can recover after Hillary, that she is bad, yes, but Ah well, the USA always recovers and gets better and better. The shoulder-shruggers and third party types with the long view, the thirty to sixty year view.

Those in group (1) grudgingly support Trump, see the necessity of doing so.  Those in group (2) are just flat wrong. They are Mr Magoos, foolish in their myopia which they confuse with distant vision. Look back to the early days of W J Clinton&#039;s first term and HillaryCare, which was developed in secret. Has anything changed for the better?

Successive Lucifers in the WH. Alinsky is smiling in hell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seem to be very few genuine Trump fans here, as has been true all along. </p>
<p>The posters seem divided between 1) those that see Hillary as a Great Evil, an Evil as great as Obama has been, another creator of irreversible, permanent harm, rending the Constitutional fabric further;  </p>
<p>and 2) those who believe the country can recover after Hillary, that she is bad, yes, but Ah well, the USA always recovers and gets better and better. The shoulder-shruggers and third party types with the long view, the thirty to sixty year view.</p>
<p>Those in group (1) grudgingly support Trump, see the necessity of doing so.  Those in group (2) are just flat wrong. They are Mr Magoos, foolish in their myopia which they confuse with distant vision. Look back to the early days of W J Clinton&#8217;s first term and HillaryCare, which was developed in secret. Has anything changed for the better?</p>
<p>Successive Lucifers in the WH. Alinsky is smiling in hell.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/08/18/defending-trump/#comment-1565133</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2016 16:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[geokstr: &lt;i&gt;&quot;He hasn’t attacked his good friend Hillary with anywhere near the ferocity and vileness he used against Cruz, who took the high road the entire campaign.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Cruz&#039;s first mistake was temporarily allying himself with DJT, early on. Big mistake. I know a former Cruz campaign worker who, at the time, when I asked him about this, spoke of &quot;Mr. Trump&quot; in respectful tones. Little did he know Trump was going to shamelessly shift into 8th grade playground bully mode with Cruz. It was almost like watching the repeated &quot;why are you hitting yourself?&quot; game being played.

Trump&#039;s treatment of Cruz was beyond the pale, even for politics (in my opinion). Especially the National Enquirer story (pure Pulitzer, baby!) about his &quot;affairs&quot;. To this day, one of the women implicated in that &quot;news&quot; story still receives &lt;i&gt;disgusting&lt;/i&gt;, vile, taunting and p0rnographic tweets from Trumpsters about this.

They are the worst people on earth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geokstr: <i>&#8220;He hasn’t attacked his good friend Hillary with anywhere near the ferocity and vileness he used against Cruz, who took the high road the entire campaign.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Cruz&#8217;s first mistake was temporarily allying himself with DJT, early on. Big mistake. I know a former Cruz campaign worker who, at the time, when I asked him about this, spoke of &#8220;Mr. Trump&#8221; in respectful tones. Little did he know Trump was going to shamelessly shift into 8th grade playground bully mode with Cruz. It was almost like watching the repeated &#8220;why are you hitting yourself?&#8221; game being played.</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s treatment of Cruz was beyond the pale, even for politics (in my opinion). Especially the National Enquirer story (pure Pulitzer, baby!) about his &#8220;affairs&#8221;. To this day, one of the women implicated in that &#8220;news&#8221; story still receives <i>disgusting</i>, vile, taunting and p0rnographic tweets from Trumpsters about this.</p>
<p>They are the worst people on earth.</p>
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