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		By: Steve57		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/08/09/clinton-defender-former-cia-deputy-director-mike-morell-cant-get-his-story-straight-on-syrias-assad-and-putin/?singlepage=true

This happens a lot when you lie. Morell, like all liars, just can&#039;t keep his story straight. 

And, Schindler would have you think this guy is some apolitical paragon of truth.]]></description>
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<p>This happens a lot when you lie. Morell, like all liars, just can&#8217;t keep his story straight. </p>
<p>And, Schindler would have you think this guy is some apolitical paragon of truth.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2016 21:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.amazon.com/Japan-That-Can-Say-No/dp/0671735713

The above book was a best seller in Japan over a quarter of a century ago. The author, Shintaro Ishihara, argued in 1990 that Japan was fully the equal and not subordinate to the United States and should start acting like. That Japan needed an actual, full fledged military, not a pseudo-military Self Defense Force, and that military needed to be a strong one, to act in its own independently determined self interest. That the US needed to show Japan the respect it deserved and consult with Japan on foreign policy and military issues rather than simply issue orders with which Japan would then meekly comply. 

I mention this because I was afraid that referring to the &quot;old fashioned Japanese imperialists&quot; I was implying that the above sentiments were confined to some extremist fringe elements. They are far more main stream than that. After all Ishihara was governor of Tokyo and a long time member of the Diet. I wouldn&#039;t describe Ishihara as an imperialist but as a staunch nationalist. There is a widespread notion that Japan&#039;s constitution effectively makes it a dependency of the US and therefore a widespread reaction that Japan should remove the constitutional shackles that prevent it from being a &quot;normal country.&quot; They have no imperial designs. And Ishihara and those like him don&#039;t reject an alliance with the US but that it should be an alliance of equals rather then, as they see it, a master-servant relationship.

This isn&#039;t something confined to some fringe political elements but is far more mainstream, to the point Ishihara survived several supposed scandals that his critics said demanded his resignation. Ironically Ishihara was something of a Japanese Donald Trump as he would run his mouth with no concern for being the least bit PC, hence his &quot;scandals.&quot;

Then along comes Trumpy the insult clown who demands the Japanese rearm so they can aid in the defense of the US or else. Making the rearmament proponents look exactly like the servants of the US people like Ishihara always accused them of being. Now the Abe government looks as if it&#039;s simply asking &quot;how high&quot; because their American master said &quot;jump.&quot;]]></description>
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<p>The above book was a best seller in Japan over a quarter of a century ago. The author, Shintaro Ishihara, argued in 1990 that Japan was fully the equal and not subordinate to the United States and should start acting like. That Japan needed an actual, full fledged military, not a pseudo-military Self Defense Force, and that military needed to be a strong one, to act in its own independently determined self interest. That the US needed to show Japan the respect it deserved and consult with Japan on foreign policy and military issues rather than simply issue orders with which Japan would then meekly comply. </p>
<p>I mention this because I was afraid that referring to the &#8220;old fashioned Japanese imperialists&#8221; I was implying that the above sentiments were confined to some extremist fringe elements. They are far more main stream than that. After all Ishihara was governor of Tokyo and a long time member of the Diet. I wouldn&#8217;t describe Ishihara as an imperialist but as a staunch nationalist. There is a widespread notion that Japan&#8217;s constitution effectively makes it a dependency of the US and therefore a widespread reaction that Japan should remove the constitutional shackles that prevent it from being a &#8220;normal country.&#8221; They have no imperial designs. And Ishihara and those like him don&#8217;t reject an alliance with the US but that it should be an alliance of equals rather then, as they see it, a master-servant relationship.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t something confined to some fringe political elements but is far more mainstream, to the point Ishihara survived several supposed scandals that his critics said demanded his resignation. Ironically Ishihara was something of a Japanese Donald Trump as he would run his mouth with no concern for being the least bit PC, hence his &#8220;scandals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then along comes Trumpy the insult clown who demands the Japanese rearm so they can aid in the defense of the US or else. Making the rearmament proponents look exactly like the servants of the US people like Ishihara always accused them of being. Now the Abe government looks as if it&#8217;s simply asking &#8220;how high&#8221; because their American master said &#8220;jump.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2016 20:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know how I missed this. blert said:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;The current government of Japan is doing everything possible to get out of Article 9.

Donald Trump’s “gaff” is music to their ears.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I need to join the chorus of voices who find this assessment entirely unbelievable. It goes against reality. The last thing the Japanese elements working to get out from under Article 9 want or need is for it to look like the puppets of their masters in the United States. Which is precisely the effect of Trump&#039;s very real gaffe. Trump didn&#039;t help their cause; he set it back. 

The peace faction is almost if not entirely a left wing phenomenon. Those who want to rearm include rightists who see the US military presence in Japan and the what they see as the USG&#039;s undo influence over Japanese foreign and defense policies as intolerable insults to Japan&#039;s sovereignty. They are essentially old fashioned Japanese imperialists. 

Trump&#039;s gaffe harms the Japanese&#039;s government&#039;s attempts to revise their constitution with both their opponents on the left and their supporters on the right. To succeed the Japanese government needs to make the case that revising the constitution and rearming is in the best interests of Japan. Then along comes Donald J. Trump to torpedo that argument.

Donald Trump has savaged Japan, one of America’s closest allies, stating that if the US is attacked, all Japan would do is “sit home and watch Sony television”.

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;Donald Trump has savaged Japan, one of America’s closest allies, stating that if the US is attacked, all Japan would do is “sit home and watch Sony television”.

He expressed his frustration that the US is bound by treaty to defend the Asian nation but that if the United States is attacked, the Japanese cannot help because of Article 9, which constitutionally forbids it to send armed forces overseas.&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt; 

Which confirms the suspicions across the political spectrum that the Japanese government is simply doing the American&#039;s bidding by trying to revise the constitution; that this has nothing to do with the best interests of Japan, and is in fact working against Japanese interests, and only is concerned with the best interests of the US. That is most definitely not music to their ears. To attempt to argue otherwise is counterfactual, in the realm of pure fantasy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how I missed this. blert said:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>The current government of Japan is doing everything possible to get out of Article 9.</p>
<p>Donald Trump’s “gaff” is music to their ears.</p></blockquote>
<p>I need to join the chorus of voices who find this assessment entirely unbelievable. It goes against reality. The last thing the Japanese elements working to get out from under Article 9 want or need is for it to look like the puppets of their masters in the United States. Which is precisely the effect of Trump&#8217;s very real gaffe. Trump didn&#8217;t help their cause; he set it back. </p>
<p>The peace faction is almost if not entirely a left wing phenomenon. Those who want to rearm include rightists who see the US military presence in Japan and the what they see as the USG&#8217;s undo influence over Japanese foreign and defense policies as intolerable insults to Japan&#8217;s sovereignty. They are essentially old fashioned Japanese imperialists. </p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s gaffe harms the Japanese&#8217;s government&#8217;s attempts to revise their constitution with both their opponents on the left and their supporters on the right. To succeed the Japanese government needs to make the case that revising the constitution and rearming is in the best interests of Japan. Then along comes Donald J. Trump to torpedo that argument.</p>
<p>Donald Trump has savaged Japan, one of America’s closest allies, stating that if the US is attacked, all Japan would do is “sit home and watch Sony television”.</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>Donald Trump has savaged Japan, one of America’s closest allies, stating that if the US is attacked, all Japan would do is “sit home and watch Sony television”.</p>
<p>He expressed his frustration that the US is bound by treaty to defend the Asian nation but that if the United States is attacked, the Japanese cannot help because of Article 9, which constitutionally forbids it to send armed forces overseas.</p>
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<p>Which confirms the suspicions across the political spectrum that the Japanese government is simply doing the American&#8217;s bidding by trying to revise the constitution; that this has nothing to do with the best interests of Japan, and is in fact working against Japanese interests, and only is concerned with the best interests of the US. That is most definitely not music to their ears. To attempt to argue otherwise is counterfactual, in the realm of pure fantasy.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Belle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Belle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2016 14:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matt_SE:
Alt_Right is not a term that I&#039;ve heard before, but obviously you mean it to be dismissive in an attempt to discourage others from judging for themselves. So who are your  reliable sources and why do you believe them? Do you not agree that it is important to see Clinton Cash?  (Or will you forego it because it is not on the philosophically correct website.)Many thanks to Neo for this extended and informative thread. Have loved the depth of detail from many contributors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt_SE:<br />
Alt_Right is not a term that I&#8217;ve heard before, but obviously you mean it to be dismissive in an attempt to discourage others from judging for themselves. So who are your  reliable sources and why do you believe them? Do you not agree that it is important to see Clinton Cash?  (Or will you forego it because it is not on the philosophically correct website.)Many thanks to Neo for this extended and informative thread. Have loved the depth of detail from many contributors.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2016 04:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar commenting on August 8th, 2016 at 11:15 pm. 

I have no idea what you&#039;re trying to say. And I respectfully suggest, neither do you. You seem for one example hellbent on confusing uniform-wearing military personnel with&quot;deniable assets&quot; and I just don&#039;t get it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar commenting on August 8th, 2016 at 11:15 pm. </p>
<p>I have no idea what you&#8217;re trying to say. And I respectfully suggest, neither do you. You seem for one example hellbent on confusing uniform-wearing military personnel with&#8221;deniable assets&#8221; and I just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2016 03:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Those personnel are civil servants and are in fact civilians. Since they’re civil servants they can resign at any time. There is nothing like our UCMJ and a military justice system; those people like all civilians are subject to civil law. The Diet or Japanese parliament places very tight limits on what actions it may take. The laws the JMSDF had to operate under never anticipated the conditions it would operate under post 9/11.

The JMSDF looks like a navy from the outside. But when you take a look inside it’s not actually a navy.&lt;/b&gt;

Some of that changed with the re activation of the Ministry of Defense. From what loose sources I&#039;ve found, the Japanese use more deniable assets, as a result of their country being a spy hub. And those assets are routed through US military training more times than not, even though they are considered &quot;civil servants&quot;, not soldiers.

They weren&#039;t going to replace their entire command chain and rank in the branches, over night, of course. But the Ministry of Defense was reactivated under Abe for 2008, I believe. Ichigara. And they did start producing officer level cadre, trained often times along US Marines and various other foreign forces, absorbing experience and SOP from larger armies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Those personnel are civil servants and are in fact civilians. Since they’re civil servants they can resign at any time. There is nothing like our UCMJ and a military justice system; those people like all civilians are subject to civil law. The Diet or Japanese parliament places very tight limits on what actions it may take. The laws the JMSDF had to operate under never anticipated the conditions it would operate under post 9/11.</p>
<p>The JMSDF looks like a navy from the outside. But when you take a look inside it’s not actually a navy.</b></p>
<p>Some of that changed with the re activation of the Ministry of Defense. From what loose sources I&#8217;ve found, the Japanese use more deniable assets, as a result of their country being a spy hub. And those assets are routed through US military training more times than not, even though they are considered &#8220;civil servants&#8221;, not soldiers.</p>
<p>They weren&#8217;t going to replace their entire command chain and rank in the branches, over night, of course. But the Ministry of Defense was reactivated under Abe for 2008, I believe. Ichigara. And they did start producing officer level cadre, trained often times along US Marines and various other foreign forces, absorbing experience and SOP from larger armies.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2016 03:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump is megalomaniac in the same sense as Islam, when he thinks Japan is too stupid to read his English comments. He thinks he can translate them into Japanese and the Japanese will buy the Japanese line, the way Americans buy Muslim sweet talk in English while ignoring Muslim rape talk in Arabic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump is megalomaniac in the same sense as Islam, when he thinks Japan is too stupid to read his English comments. He thinks he can translate them into Japanese and the Japanese will buy the Japanese line, the way Americans buy Muslim sweet talk in English while ignoring Muslim rape talk in Arabic.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2016 00:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Belle Says: 

&lt;b&gt;&quot;Please go to theconservativetreehouse.com...Breitbart.com...&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Both are websites owned by the alt-right (CT) or overrun by them (BB). Why would I go to either, unless I needed a good laugh? They have both become the home of sycophants and kooks; the kind of people who think there may be something to this &quot;Rafael Cruz helped kill Kennedy&quot; thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belle Says: </p>
<p><b>&#8220;Please go to theconservativetreehouse.com&#8230;Breitbart.com&#8230;&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Both are websites owned by the alt-right (CT) or overrun by them (BB). Why would I go to either, unless I needed a good laugh? They have both become the home of sycophants and kooks; the kind of people who think there may be something to this &#8220;Rafael Cruz helped kill Kennedy&#8221; thing.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric comment on 7 Aug @3:45am with links to two observer articles written by John Schindler at the observer. I advise everyone to take anything Schindler writes with a large tablespoon of salt. HIs analysis is not always wrong, but it isn&#039;t to be automatically trusted either. It&#039;s shaky, it seems to be deliberately so, but I won&#039;t speculate as to why that is.

In the second article (scroll up for the link) about Trump being Putin&#039;s guy Schindler says this:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;...Critics have countered that Morell is a Clinton operative, but the former spook boss claims to be politically independent. The only “evidence” he’s on Team Hillary is his current employment with a Washington strategic advisory firm with ties to members of the Clinton inner circle.

Before that, Morell spent 33 years at Langley as an intelligence analyst, winding up as the CIA’s deputy director in 2010. Before retiring in 2013, he served twice as the agency’s acting director, in 2011 and again in 2012-13, enjoying a good relationship with President Obama.

In other words, Morell is a typical high-flying mandarin in America’s secret spy empire, the 17-agency behemoth we call the Intelligence Community. These folks tend not to be partisan in a political sense, and if Morell’s a raging liberal and Republican-hater he’s been hiding it well...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sure he did have a good relationship with Obama because Morell&#039;s false and misleading testimony before the House Intelligence Committee demonstrates that despite his denials he did tailor the intel analysis to support the administration fiction that there was a spontaneous demonstration sparked by the video.

Morell testified before the House and Senate several times inclucing written testimony, which he presented 2 April 2014, in which Morell made several demonstrably false and highly misleading statements. 

http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/morellsfr04022014.pdf

Morell testified that the analysts he decided to depend on had no indication there had been not been a protest until 18 August 2012. Just so you know, from open source reporting I knew at least by the 13th that there had been no &quot;spontaneous protest&quot; and no shooting. For instance:

http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Mass-doctor-scheduled-to-meet-with-Ambassador-day-after-Libya-attack/16605298

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;...Dr. Thomas Burke and several colleagues were in Benghazi to discuss ways Massachusetts General Hospital could help the city&#039;s medical center improve its emergency department. &quot;The ambassador was very curious and was excited by the potential for any Americans to partner with citizens of Libya.&quot;

He was supposed to meet with Ambassador Stevens the day after the attack.

Burke was in his hotel room Tuesday night as a colleague spoke with an attache for Ambassador Chris Stevens. &quot;There was a loud explosion and the attache yelled and said, &#039;something&#039;s going on&#039; and hung up.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mass General Hospital has a basically a &quot;sister hospital&quot; relationship with Benghazi Medical Center. How do I know this? Because he was blogging his experiences in Benghazi throughout his stay. He practically live blogged as an &quot;ear witness&quot; in real time throughout the entire attack and then the aftermath the next day. For instance although it doesn&#039;t say so here, Dr. Burke not only heard the blast over the phone, their hotel was close enough to the compound he reported he hear it through their window.

There had been no shooting (at least, not by embassy guards into a crowd of protesters)  before the terrorists attacked the embassy. And this isn&#039;t my only open source data point. I&#039;m not going to present all the evidence I compiled in my &quot;Clinton lies&quot; folder as I&#039;d overwhelm the system and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary or desirable to present it all. But I have the evidence to back up every conclusion I draw.

The State Department compound was in a residential area. There were plenty of witnesses, just as there were at the Boston Marathon bombing. This attack in Benghazi was just as public and just as unclassified as that attack, which makes open source very useful. And the foreign press wasn&#039;t shy about talking to those witnesses either. 

But sticking with this source, had there been a protest at all, let alone had guards fired on it, that embassy staffer would not have been on the phone at all with Dr. Burke. He would have been too busy.

But the CIA wasn&#039;t limited to open source. Who had the best information as to what was going on at a State Dept. facility? The State Dept. which had been in constant contact with its Diplomatic Security Service personnel as soon as the terrorists assaulted the compound.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;As those guys attempt to secure a perimeter around Building C, they also move to the TOC, where one agent has been manning the phone. I neglected to mention from the top that that agent from the top of this incident, or the very beginning of this incident, has been on the phone. He had called the quick reaction security team, he had called the Libyan authorities, he had called the Embassy in Tripoli, and &lt;strong&gt;he had called Washington.&lt;/strong&gt; He had them all going to ask for help. And he remained in the TOC.

...And they continue far down the block toward the crowds and far down several blocks to the crowd — to another crowd where this road t-bones into a main road. There is a crowd there. They pass through the crowd and on — turn right onto this main road. This main road is completely choked with traffic, enormous traffic jam typical for, I think, that time of night in that part of town. There are shops along the road there and so on.

Rather than get stuck in the traffic, the agents careen their car over the median — there is a median, a grassy median — and into the opposing traffic, and they go counter-flow until they emerge into a more lightly trafficked area and ultimately make their way to the annex.

...First question is from the line of Anne Gearan with the Washington Post. Please go ahead.

&lt;strong&gt;QUESTION:&lt;/strong&gt; Hi. You said a moment ago that there was nothing unusual outside, on the street, or outside the gates of the main compound. When did the agents inside — what — excuse me, what did the agents inside think was happening when the first group of men gathered there and they first heard those explosions? Did they think it was a protest, or did they think it was something else?

&lt;strong&gt;SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL TWO:&lt;/strong&gt; The agent in the TOC heard the noise, heard the firing. Firing is not unusual in Benghazi at 9:40 at night, but he immediately reacted and looked at his cameras and saw people coming in, hit the alarm. And the rest is as I described it. Does that help?

...&lt;strong&gt;QUESTION:&lt;/strong&gt; Hi, yes. You described several incidents you had with groups of men, armed men. What in all of these events that you’ve described led officials to believe for the first several days that this was prompted by protests against the video?

&lt;strong&gt;SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL TWO:&lt;/strong&gt; That is a question that you would have to ask others. &lt;strong&gt;That was not our conclusion.&lt;/strong&gt; I’m not saying that we had a conclusion, but we outlined what happened. The Ambassador walked guests out around 8:30 or so, there was no one on the street at approximately 9:40, then there was the noise and then we saw on the cameras the — a large number of armed men assaulting the compound...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why was Morell going with open source information about what happened at a State Department facility when the agent(s) in the Tactical Operations Center (TOC) &quot;had called Washington&quot; i.e. the Diplomatic Security Command Center (DSCC) and the agents on watch at the DSCC were monitoring events in real time?

Then there&#039;s the fact that the survivors were airlifted from Benghazi in USAF transport aircraft on the morning of 12 September, flown to Ramstein in Germany and debriefed the same day. 

When Morell claims the CIA shouldn&#039;t be found guilty of cooking the intel because the analysts didn&#039;t have the information, that invites the question, why didn&#039;t they? State Department had the information. CIA had the information. Why didn&#039;t the analysts Morell chose to rely on have the information? Moreover Morell has Deputy Director of the CIA knew exactly what information the analysts he chose to rely on didn&#039;t have. Despite his protests Morell undeniably cooked the intel. Maybe he didn&#039;t personally withhold the information from the &quot;analysts&quot; (apparently the CIA is using high school interns as analysts these days who don&#039;t know the first thing they should ask for are the debriefs) but at the very least Morell knew the testimony he provided to Congress had been cooked at the agency. And Morell knew the recipe, and he wasn&#039;t telling.

I just never believed any of it even at the time. I keep going back to Dr. Burke&#039;s account. Had there been a Cairo-style protest, those people would have been out of there. Every State Department facility has an emergency action plan, this facility could not be defended, and per their EAP they would have been long gone.

My initial impressions were backed up by the foreign press reporting, in which eye witnesses (not just Dr. Burke&#039;s &quot;ear witness&quot;) confirmed there had been no protest prior to the assault. It&#039;s why I included the accounts of the crowds, the traffic, the median the jumping, the shops in the neighborhood, etc. This was a very public event.

Which invites the question, lest we miss the forest for the trees, why did the Obama administration hand the job of figuring out if there had been a protest or not before the attack to the CIA? Simple. For the same reason he&#039;d have Holder at DoJ conduct a go nowhere, do nothing &quot;investigation.&quot; To help with the cover-up and stonewall. In Morell he had a willing stooge who would help him con the American people into thinking we needed IMINT or COMINT or ELINT to figure out what was obvious to any Libyan looking out their apartment window, or would have been obvious to any Libyan stuck in that traffic jam or frequenting those shops.

The timeline of events simply wasn&#039;t an intel issue. Again, it was a very public event just like the Boston Marathon bombing or the New Years Muslim grope and rape fest in Cologne. There wasn&#039;t a need to involve the CIA to get a basic idea of what had happened. In 1982 Reagan went on TV within a week of the Beirut barracks bombings and was able to accurately tell the American people what had happened. All you had to do was to talk to the witnesses. Which State and CIA had done by evening on the 12th at the latest. The Obama administration handed it to the CIA because in Morell they had a willing stooge who would go along and pretend even sorting out the basic timeline of events and figuring out if there had been a protest at all was some mystery and eye witness testimony couldn&#039;t help us. We needed &quot;intel.&quot;

Question; did we need to consult with the CIA to figure out if there had been a protest/riot at the Cairo embassy?

It was all BS from the start and the fact that Morell was willing to play along with any of it proves Schindler wrong when he gives that piece of fecal matter the benefit of some doubt which can&#039;t possibly exist.

I&#039;ll leave you with a joke. A USN admiral is sitting around thinking to himself, &quot;Is 2 plus 2 really equal to four or does it equal something else?&quot;

So he calls in his operations officer, an aviator, and asks him, &quot;OPS, how much is 2 plus 2?&quot;

The aviator says, &quot;Geez, admiral, that&#039;s a tough one. I dunno. Now can I go to the gym and get swoll?&quot;

The admiral dismisses him. Then calls in his communications officer. &quot;COMMO, how much is two plus two?&quot; The COMMO goes to a white board and starts going through an elegant mathematical theorem to show not only does 2 plus 2 equal 4 but why. The admiral&#039;s eye&#039;s glaze over and he says, &quot;Get out of here, I don&#039;t want to see all that.&quot;

So he calls in his intel officer, Mike Morell. &quot;Spy,&quot; sez the admiral, &quot;How much is two plus two?&quot;

Mike Morell holds his finger to his lips and almost inaudibly says &quot;Shsss.&quot; Then he goes to the windows and draws the blinds and the drapes. He goes to the door and cracks it open and peeks to see if anyone is trying to eavesdrop. Then he goes over to admiral, leans over to speak into his ear, and asks in a whisper.

&quot;How much do you want it be.&quot;

Morell is the kind of sell-out and sycophant who gives intel a bad name. If Schindler trusts him, you can&#039;t trust Schindler.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric comment on 7 Aug @3:45am with links to two observer articles written by John Schindler at the observer. I advise everyone to take anything Schindler writes with a large tablespoon of salt. HIs analysis is not always wrong, but it isn&#8217;t to be automatically trusted either. It&#8217;s shaky, it seems to be deliberately so, but I won&#8217;t speculate as to why that is.</p>
<p>In the second article (scroll up for the link) about Trump being Putin&#8217;s guy Schindler says this:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>&#8230;Critics have countered that Morell is a Clinton operative, but the former spook boss claims to be politically independent. The only “evidence” he’s on Team Hillary is his current employment with a Washington strategic advisory firm with ties to members of the Clinton inner circle.</p>
<p>Before that, Morell spent 33 years at Langley as an intelligence analyst, winding up as the CIA’s deputy director in 2010. Before retiring in 2013, he served twice as the agency’s acting director, in 2011 and again in 2012-13, enjoying a good relationship with President Obama.</p>
<p>In other words, Morell is a typical high-flying mandarin in America’s secret spy empire, the 17-agency behemoth we call the Intelligence Community. These folks tend not to be partisan in a political sense, and if Morell’s a raging liberal and Republican-hater he’s been hiding it well&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure he did have a good relationship with Obama because Morell&#8217;s false and misleading testimony before the House Intelligence Committee demonstrates that despite his denials he did tailor the intel analysis to support the administration fiction that there was a spontaneous demonstration sparked by the video.</p>
<p>Morell testified before the House and Senate several times inclucing written testimony, which he presented 2 April 2014, in which Morell made several demonstrably false and highly misleading statements. </p>
<p><a href="http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/morellsfr04022014.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/morellsfr04022014.pdf</a></p>
<p>Morell testified that the analysts he decided to depend on had no indication there had been not been a protest until 18 August 2012. Just so you know, from open source reporting I knew at least by the 13th that there had been no &#8220;spontaneous protest&#8221; and no shooting. For instance:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Mass-doctor-scheduled-to-meet-with-Ambassador-day-after-Libya-attack/16605298" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Mass-doctor-scheduled-to-meet-with-Ambassador-day-after-Libya-attack/16605298</a></p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>&#8230;Dr. Thomas Burke and several colleagues were in Benghazi to discuss ways Massachusetts General Hospital could help the city&#8217;s medical center improve its emergency department. &#8220;The ambassador was very curious and was excited by the potential for any Americans to partner with citizens of Libya.&#8221;</p>
<p>He was supposed to meet with Ambassador Stevens the day after the attack.</p>
<p>Burke was in his hotel room Tuesday night as a colleague spoke with an attache for Ambassador Chris Stevens. &#8220;There was a loud explosion and the attache yelled and said, &#8216;something&#8217;s going on&#8217; and hung up.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Mass General Hospital has a basically a &#8220;sister hospital&#8221; relationship with Benghazi Medical Center. How do I know this? Because he was blogging his experiences in Benghazi throughout his stay. He practically live blogged as an &#8220;ear witness&#8221; in real time throughout the entire attack and then the aftermath the next day. For instance although it doesn&#8217;t say so here, Dr. Burke not only heard the blast over the phone, their hotel was close enough to the compound he reported he hear it through their window.</p>
<p>There had been no shooting (at least, not by embassy guards into a crowd of protesters)  before the terrorists attacked the embassy. And this isn&#8217;t my only open source data point. I&#8217;m not going to present all the evidence I compiled in my &#8220;Clinton lies&#8221; folder as I&#8217;d overwhelm the system and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessary or desirable to present it all. But I have the evidence to back up every conclusion I draw.</p>
<p>The State Department compound was in a residential area. There were plenty of witnesses, just as there were at the Boston Marathon bombing. This attack in Benghazi was just as public and just as unclassified as that attack, which makes open source very useful. And the foreign press wasn&#8217;t shy about talking to those witnesses either. </p>
<p>But sticking with this source, had there been a protest at all, let alone had guards fired on it, that embassy staffer would not have been on the phone at all with Dr. Burke. He would have been too busy.</p>
<p>But the CIA wasn&#8217;t limited to open source. Who had the best information as to what was going on at a State Dept. facility? The State Dept. which had been in constant contact with its Diplomatic Security Service personnel as soon as the terrorists assaulted the compound.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm</a></p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>As those guys attempt to secure a perimeter around Building C, they also move to the TOC, where one agent has been manning the phone. I neglected to mention from the top that that agent from the top of this incident, or the very beginning of this incident, has been on the phone. He had called the quick reaction security team, he had called the Libyan authorities, he had called the Embassy in Tripoli, and <strong>he had called Washington.</strong> He had them all going to ask for help. And he remained in the TOC.</p>
<p>&#8230;And they continue far down the block toward the crowds and far down several blocks to the crowd — to another crowd where this road t-bones into a main road. There is a crowd there. They pass through the crowd and on — turn right onto this main road. This main road is completely choked with traffic, enormous traffic jam typical for, I think, that time of night in that part of town. There are shops along the road there and so on.</p>
<p>Rather than get stuck in the traffic, the agents careen their car over the median — there is a median, a grassy median — and into the opposing traffic, and they go counter-flow until they emerge into a more lightly trafficked area and ultimately make their way to the annex.</p>
<p>&#8230;First question is from the line of Anne Gearan with the Washington Post. Please go ahead.</p>
<p><strong>QUESTION:</strong> Hi. You said a moment ago that there was nothing unusual outside, on the street, or outside the gates of the main compound. When did the agents inside — what — excuse me, what did the agents inside think was happening when the first group of men gathered there and they first heard those explosions? Did they think it was a protest, or did they think it was something else?</p>
<p><strong>SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL TWO:</strong> The agent in the TOC heard the noise, heard the firing. Firing is not unusual in Benghazi at 9:40 at night, but he immediately reacted and looked at his cameras and saw people coming in, hit the alarm. And the rest is as I described it. Does that help?</p>
<p>&#8230;<strong>QUESTION:</strong> Hi, yes. You described several incidents you had with groups of men, armed men. What in all of these events that you’ve described led officials to believe for the first several days that this was prompted by protests against the video?</p>
<p><strong>SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL TWO:</strong> That is a question that you would have to ask others. <strong>That was not our conclusion.</strong> I’m not saying that we had a conclusion, but we outlined what happened. The Ambassador walked guests out around 8:30 or so, there was no one on the street at approximately 9:40, then there was the noise and then we saw on the cameras the — a large number of armed men assaulting the compound&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Why was Morell going with open source information about what happened at a State Department facility when the agent(s) in the Tactical Operations Center (TOC) &#8220;had called Washington&#8221; i.e. the Diplomatic Security Command Center (DSCC) and the agents on watch at the DSCC were monitoring events in real time?</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the fact that the survivors were airlifted from Benghazi in USAF transport aircraft on the morning of 12 September, flown to Ramstein in Germany and debriefed the same day. </p>
<p>When Morell claims the CIA shouldn&#8217;t be found guilty of cooking the intel because the analysts didn&#8217;t have the information, that invites the question, why didn&#8217;t they? State Department had the information. CIA had the information. Why didn&#8217;t the analysts Morell chose to rely on have the information? Moreover Morell has Deputy Director of the CIA knew exactly what information the analysts he chose to rely on didn&#8217;t have. Despite his protests Morell undeniably cooked the intel. Maybe he didn&#8217;t personally withhold the information from the &#8220;analysts&#8221; (apparently the CIA is using high school interns as analysts these days who don&#8217;t know the first thing they should ask for are the debriefs) but at the very least Morell knew the testimony he provided to Congress had been cooked at the agency. And Morell knew the recipe, and he wasn&#8217;t telling.</p>
<p>I just never believed any of it even at the time. I keep going back to Dr. Burke&#8217;s account. Had there been a Cairo-style protest, those people would have been out of there. Every State Department facility has an emergency action plan, this facility could not be defended, and per their EAP they would have been long gone.</p>
<p>My initial impressions were backed up by the foreign press reporting, in which eye witnesses (not just Dr. Burke&#8217;s &#8220;ear witness&#8221;) confirmed there had been no protest prior to the assault. It&#8217;s why I included the accounts of the crowds, the traffic, the median the jumping, the shops in the neighborhood, etc. This was a very public event.</p>
<p>Which invites the question, lest we miss the forest for the trees, why did the Obama administration hand the job of figuring out if there had been a protest or not before the attack to the CIA? Simple. For the same reason he&#8217;d have Holder at DoJ conduct a go nowhere, do nothing &#8220;investigation.&#8221; To help with the cover-up and stonewall. In Morell he had a willing stooge who would help him con the American people into thinking we needed IMINT or COMINT or ELINT to figure out what was obvious to any Libyan looking out their apartment window, or would have been obvious to any Libyan stuck in that traffic jam or frequenting those shops.</p>
<p>The timeline of events simply wasn&#8217;t an intel issue. Again, it was a very public event just like the Boston Marathon bombing or the New Years Muslim grope and rape fest in Cologne. There wasn&#8217;t a need to involve the CIA to get a basic idea of what had happened. In 1982 Reagan went on TV within a week of the Beirut barracks bombings and was able to accurately tell the American people what had happened. All you had to do was to talk to the witnesses. Which State and CIA had done by evening on the 12th at the latest. The Obama administration handed it to the CIA because in Morell they had a willing stooge who would go along and pretend even sorting out the basic timeline of events and figuring out if there had been a protest at all was some mystery and eye witness testimony couldn&#8217;t help us. We needed &#8220;intel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Question; did we need to consult with the CIA to figure out if there had been a protest/riot at the Cairo embassy?</p>
<p>It was all BS from the start and the fact that Morell was willing to play along with any of it proves Schindler wrong when he gives that piece of fecal matter the benefit of some doubt which can&#8217;t possibly exist.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you with a joke. A USN admiral is sitting around thinking to himself, &#8220;Is 2 plus 2 really equal to four or does it equal something else?&#8221;</p>
<p>So he calls in his operations officer, an aviator, and asks him, &#8220;OPS, how much is 2 plus 2?&#8221;</p>
<p>The aviator says, &#8220;Geez, admiral, that&#8217;s a tough one. I dunno. Now can I go to the gym and get swoll?&#8221;</p>
<p>The admiral dismisses him. Then calls in his communications officer. &#8220;COMMO, how much is two plus two?&#8221; The COMMO goes to a white board and starts going through an elegant mathematical theorem to show not only does 2 plus 2 equal 4 but why. The admiral&#8217;s eye&#8217;s glaze over and he says, &#8220;Get out of here, I don&#8217;t want to see all that.&#8221;</p>
<p>So he calls in his intel officer, Mike Morell. &#8220;Spy,&#8221; sez the admiral, &#8220;How much is two plus two?&#8221;</p>
<p>Mike Morell holds his finger to his lips and almost inaudibly says &#8220;Shsss.&#8221; Then he goes to the windows and draws the blinds and the drapes. He goes to the door and cracks it open and peeks to see if anyone is trying to eavesdrop. Then he goes over to admiral, leans over to speak into his ear, and asks in a whisper.</p>
<p>&#8220;How much do you want it be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Morell is the kind of sell-out and sycophant who gives intel a bad name. If Schindler trusts him, you can&#8217;t trust Schindler.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Polls can be manipulated by the manner in which the question is asked and the polling sample. On Fox, Luntz&#039;s audience polls always came out anti-Trump, but the general public gave the debates to Trump.  I. can&#039;t remember a single election in which the Republican wa s ahead until after the votes were counted.  IT is my observation that the MSM touts the weakest Republican candidate in the primaries and then turns on him when he runs for President.   

I don&#039;t doubt that Trump disheartened a lot of people and that he lost supporters, but that  was probably part of the purpose of the polls. Think how disheartened Hillary supporters would feel if they knew that only several hundred show up at her events or that  they had to pay people to fill empty seats at the convention?

We are very  much following the Russian and Chinese communist playbook in which the media is controlled by the government (morning media briefings, anyone?).  And those who disagree are called insane.

Many of us who will vote for Trump much preferred other candidates.  You can vote third party,but I learned my lesson.  I voted for Perot and got Clinton.  Whole-hearted enthusiasm  for Trump is not necessary

Thanks for your kind thoughts regarding
! my health and your assistance in my new quest for American-made products.  Right now GE makes a single electric range that is enclosed and 75 per cent American. Tired of burners that aren&#039;t flat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polls can be manipulated by the manner in which the question is asked and the polling sample. On Fox, Luntz&#8217;s audience polls always came out anti-Trump, but the general public gave the debates to Trump.  I. can&#8217;t remember a single election in which the Republican wa s ahead until after the votes were counted.  IT is my observation that the MSM touts the weakest Republican candidate in the primaries and then turns on him when he runs for President.   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that Trump disheartened a lot of people and that he lost supporters, but that  was probably part of the purpose of the polls. Think how disheartened Hillary supporters would feel if they knew that only several hundred show up at her events or that  they had to pay people to fill empty seats at the convention?</p>
<p>We are very  much following the Russian and Chinese communist playbook in which the media is controlled by the government (morning media briefings, anyone?).  And those who disagree are called insane.</p>
<p>Many of us who will vote for Trump much preferred other candidates.  You can vote third party,but I learned my lesson.  I voted for Perot and got Clinton.  Whole-hearted enthusiasm  for Trump is not necessary</p>
<p>Thanks for your kind thoughts regarding<br />
! my health and your assistance in my new quest for American-made products.  Right now GE makes a single electric range that is enclosed and 75 per cent American. Tired of burners that aren&#8217;t flat.</p>
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