The popular vote for Presidential elections.

How does one otherwise know that the number is 3M?

More than 3m.

How does one know that 157% of a precinct reporting 99% votes for Democrat is cheating? I don’t know, maybe someone would have to take Statistics 101.

No. There is too much incentive for the GOP not to let that just sit unassailed.

The GOP E is dumber than you think they are. Power and the status quo is what they wish for, which means power switches hands. They weren’t going to stop the Left’s shenanigans, because many of them would have to take the hit and give up power to do so.

That claim just doesn’t make sense, given the rest.

The claim makes perfect sense for people who worked in the Chicago Machine and who have seen what I’ve seen. But for you, I agree it wouldn’t make sense.

Thanks. And, yes, it is a BIG part.

Even some anti-trump conservative commentators still talk about “the establishment” the same old way.

They just won’t let it go. Ratings!

The problem with putting such a large number like 3M on it is that you really have to provide some links that show it to be true.

I have no doubt that there is some form of cheating that goes on, BUT on a scale like that, surely there is some evidence that is prosecutable. How does one otherwise know that the number is 3M?

No. There is too much incentive for the GOP not to let that just sit unassailed.

That claim just doesn’t make sense, given the rest.

I’m in complete agreement with you about the non-monolithic, non-controlling aspect of the “establishment.” The evil puppeteers are apparently completely incompetent at managing the puppets.

I always felt that the talk shows and blogs that said otherwise were doing a sort of “Emmanuel Goldstein” on the right, drumming up hatred for an imaginary enemy. Good for ratings. And it’s part of the reason we’re at this pretty pass right now.

I don’t doubt that Russia, China, Israel, MI5, etc have copies. Maybe some will end up being fed through devious means to WikiLeaks.

Just now I can’t help but fantasize that such “leaked” copies might even be edited to be more sensationalist negative against one or more subjects — since how can Hillary deny the partial lie without showing the true original, which she says she doesn’t have …

Neo, the GOP has NOT bowed to its populist wing — see Romney’s continued attacks against Trump (had he attacked Obama as strongly, he would have done better in 2012). Many of the worst GOPe cronyists have, er, most flexible, pragmatic, crowd reading politicians.

@Jayne lists many pro-Dem anti-Rep anti-Trump folk, leaving out 90+% of gov’t bureaucrats are Dem. These anti-Trump folk are exactly why I have such little fear of a Trump presidency.

I AM very very sad that Trump populism is so strong, but have long thought that cronyism/ socialist parasites attach themselves to any stable democratic gov’t, and usually grow faster than the non-parasites “who work for a living”.

Economically, the Great Recession / less than 3% growth for 8 years, is more due to the parasites than any monetary failure, but few economists are independent enough to claim that (almost all highly paid economists get money from the gov’t, one way or another, including tax deduction conservative think tanks).

I really don’t know what President Trump will do — but I’m sure most of what he tries to do that actually gets done will be far better than what would actually be done under Crooked Clinton. (With so many of my nice relatives supporting her, that makes me even sadder than Trump.)

Democrats have been stealing elections since at least FDR post.

It’s nothing new. They learned that from Civil War 1, actually.

That’s the common excuse I see people use, for why they couldn’t counter the Left’s 3+ million fake votes.

They don’t even mention the real problem.

The only way to combat this, AFAIK, is to seek other sources not in the conservative camp.

Usually, as a rule of thumb, regardless of source (left or right), the more loud, boisterous, brash, broad brushed, and/or conspiracy oriented the claim, the less it is based in reality. The “truth” can be the hyped versions, but a much higher percentage of the time it is something much narrower and less extreme.

A good example of over-hype and conspiracy is the notion of the GOP “establishment”. It is an easy sell on talk radio. However, one thing the 2016 GOP nomination race has made clear, it was a fallacy how the so called “establishment” is directing everything and working in a monolithic, coordinated fashion against everyone else.

Wow! I have a VERY different recollection. Most polls were leaning Obama. Even the betting houses were.

Yet, most conservative media were arguing about the “shy conservatives” who didn’t want to admit their true intentions to pollsters, or that pollsters were actively biased.

There were a few (e.g. Dick Morris) who even went out on a limb to predict landslide for Romney.

Yet, Obama won.

Having eaten up all that hype about the polls and about the doom and gloom that was about to beset us with Obama, it was a devastating disappointment.

It seems a large number of folks stayed home rather than vote for Romney, who was painted as a “RINO!!!!” by much of conservative media – many of the same ones now supporting trump, like the juxtaposition of their standards 2012 vs 2016 makes any sense.

And four years later, we didn’t just drop off the cliff into the abyss as was promised, by those same in the conservative media. (Not to say we are anywhere near a better position, either).

Was always somewhat skeptical, but, after the disillusionment in 2012, went from skeptical to distrustful of much of conservative media.

Must say that wisdom has proven itself out in 2016.
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One wonders about the amount of corruption and the influence from foreign entities.

Even in 2012, the conservative media seemed to miss the boat on deserving issues. Take the campaign finance scandal where a Chinese website redirected people to an Obama website that took small dollar donations (below the threshold for identifying the donor) and allowed credit cards through without using the security code (a higher processing fee). It was a major source of funding for Obama, yet the conservative media did not give that nearly the attention it deserves. Perhaps it was the fact, as was also reported, that some GOP Senators also took some money this way (though not nearly on the same scale). Regarding Obama’s campaign, was it Chinese support, or some back channel a b/millionaire chose to funnel funds anonymously, or just sloppy management? We’ll never know, and can probably expect the same this year, given the lack of attention this had.

Corruption takes many forms and the Dems/left don’t have a monopoly on it. Will there be attempts to influence (if not fund) by other nations? Probably.

One thing is for sure, lack of transparency (e.g. clinton emails, trump tax returns) leaves us guessing as to possible sources of undue influence by foreign entities.