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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;It’s almost NEVER commented upon, but Chiang was receiving IMMENSE amounts of American war support – especially financially. ( $43,000,000 in GOLD – the largest tranche ever given by Congress, IIRC )&lt;/b&gt;

Lend Lease to China, Russia, and Britain should be well known. It&#039;s not a secret that FDR was shipping gold and supplies to Russia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>It’s almost NEVER commented upon, but Chiang was receiving IMMENSE amounts of American war support – especially financially. ( $43,000,000 in GOLD – the largest tranche ever given by Congress, IIRC )</b></p>
<p>Lend Lease to China, Russia, and Britain should be well known. It&#8217;s not a secret that FDR was shipping gold and supplies to Russia.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2016 02:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s almost NEVER commented upon, but Chiang was receiving IMMENSE amounts of American war support -- especially financially. ( $43,000,000 in GOLD -- the largest tranche ever given by Congress, IIRC )

This all stopped when Japan surrendered.

Chiang didn&#039;t see it ( the termination, the atomic bomb, coming )

For his domestic purposes, he proceeded to continue to spend large -- but without the economic base to support his spending.

So, he used the old, old, old, Chinese technique. He hyper-printed his currency. ( China not only invented paper, she invented paper money and hype-inflation, too. )

Chiang was CUT OFF because he was so corrupt and thus so offended EVERY Western military officer -- to include George Marshall -- as Secretary of State that they all bitterly complained that the boy was no serious leader of men.

Needless to say, Chiang was above taking ANY Western military advice.

Instead, he pre-peated the wails of Thieu. 

&quot;Give me, give me...&quot;

America DID give Chiang ENTIRE weapons factories -- most notably those that manufactured the Thompson machine gun.

( Deemed obsolete by the War Department, but highly regarded by all Asians. Both the Russians and the Americans were jumping straight towards today&#039;s assault guns, having recognized the significance of the German weapon. )

It was just such weapons that faked out US troops when Mao launched Southern Chinese armies against MacArthur&#039;s UN expeditionary forces. All concerned assumed that the racking of the bullets in the Chinese Thompsons came from friendly troops -- and so dismissed the acoustic signature of ChiComs enveloping all forward positions. The key troopers making this fateful mistake had all served in WWII and recognized the distinctive sound from the first.

Of course, Mao intended to DESTROY the Southern Chinese armies against MacArthur. They were his internal enemies -- the last defenders of Chiang.

This logic entirely eluded all Western officers -- and is never brought up in the official histories of the military campaign. Yes, they never had a clue, hence such films as:

&quot;Pork Chop Hill&quot; (Gregory Peck )

YEARS after the Korean War such a film could be crafted -- oblivious to the end as to why suicidal assaults were occurring all the way through.

As you probably guessed, Mao NEVER used his own boys -- his Northern armies.

They stood way behind the front and forced the Southern armies into their own destruction, with America providing the ammo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost NEVER commented upon, but Chiang was receiving IMMENSE amounts of American war support &#8212; especially financially. ( $43,000,000 in GOLD &#8212; the largest tranche ever given by Congress, IIRC )</p>
<p>This all stopped when Japan surrendered.</p>
<p>Chiang didn&#8217;t see it ( the termination, the atomic bomb, coming )</p>
<p>For his domestic purposes, he proceeded to continue to spend large &#8212; but without the economic base to support his spending.</p>
<p>So, he used the old, old, old, Chinese technique. He hyper-printed his currency. ( China not only invented paper, she invented paper money and hype-inflation, too. )</p>
<p>Chiang was CUT OFF because he was so corrupt and thus so offended EVERY Western military officer &#8212; to include George Marshall &#8212; as Secretary of State that they all bitterly complained that the boy was no serious leader of men.</p>
<p>Needless to say, Chiang was above taking ANY Western military advice.</p>
<p>Instead, he pre-peated the wails of Thieu. </p>
<p>&#8220;Give me, give me&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>America DID give Chiang ENTIRE weapons factories &#8212; most notably those that manufactured the Thompson machine gun.</p>
<p>( Deemed obsolete by the War Department, but highly regarded by all Asians. Both the Russians and the Americans were jumping straight towards today&#8217;s assault guns, having recognized the significance of the German weapon. )</p>
<p>It was just such weapons that faked out US troops when Mao launched Southern Chinese armies against MacArthur&#8217;s UN expeditionary forces. All concerned assumed that the racking of the bullets in the Chinese Thompsons came from friendly troops &#8212; and so dismissed the acoustic signature of ChiComs enveloping all forward positions. The key troopers making this fateful mistake had all served in WWII and recognized the distinctive sound from the first.</p>
<p>Of course, Mao intended to DESTROY the Southern Chinese armies against MacArthur. They were his internal enemies &#8212; the last defenders of Chiang.</p>
<p>This logic entirely eluded all Western officers &#8212; and is never brought up in the official histories of the military campaign. Yes, they never had a clue, hence such films as:</p>
<p>&#8220;Pork Chop Hill&#8221; (Gregory Peck )</p>
<p>YEARS after the Korean War such a film could be crafted &#8212; oblivious to the end as to why suicidal assaults were occurring all the way through.</p>
<p>As you probably guessed, Mao NEVER used his own boys &#8212; his Northern armies.</p>
<p>They stood way behind the front and forced the Southern armies into their own destruction, with America providing the ammo.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Early on in a revolution, all the factions have about even amounts of power and “legitimacy” — so the person who is most determined to become dictator has to eliminate potential rivals as soon as it becomes feasible for him to progress without their help.&lt;/b&gt;

It reminds me of Robbes Pierre&#039;s Committee of Public Safety. His rivals in the revolution, got so afraid of him, that they purged him first, thinking Pierre was going to purge them.

Generally having rivals in a revolution is a bad thing. Stalin vs Trotsky. That&#039;s because your support is filtered through these different &quot;heirs&quot; of the Revolution, and it would be better to consolidate the support. Just like heirs fight and kill each other to pursue a throne. Revolutions did not produce anything better than mankind has known in government and power.

External enemies are fine, so let&#039;s look at Mao vs Chiang Kai Shek in China. Mao liked the Japanese occupation, he used it as an excuse to bleed the nationalists dry, by making the Nationalists fight the Japanese occupation, while Mao hid out and conserved his forces. All the while declaring that he was beating the Japanese back. Then when Kai Shek won the war and pushed the Japanese out, then Mao attacks the nationalists in a civil war. So the Japanese, being &quot;external enemies&quot; isn&#039;t a threat to your public support or your ethnic support. Those are your people, they aren&#039;t going to become disloyal suddenly.

However, if the nationalists won fame, glory, and reputation, and gained enough of Mao&#039;s allies to defeat Mao on the battlefield, then there&#039;s a Real Problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Early on in a revolution, all the factions have about even amounts of power and “legitimacy” — so the person who is most determined to become dictator has to eliminate potential rivals as soon as it becomes feasible for him to progress without their help.</b></p>
<p>It reminds me of Robbes Pierre&#8217;s Committee of Public Safety. His rivals in the revolution, got so afraid of him, that they purged him first, thinking Pierre was going to purge them.</p>
<p>Generally having rivals in a revolution is a bad thing. Stalin vs Trotsky. That&#8217;s because your support is filtered through these different &#8220;heirs&#8221; of the Revolution, and it would be better to consolidate the support. Just like heirs fight and kill each other to pursue a throne. Revolutions did not produce anything better than mankind has known in government and power.</p>
<p>External enemies are fine, so let&#8217;s look at Mao vs Chiang Kai Shek in China. Mao liked the Japanese occupation, he used it as an excuse to bleed the nationalists dry, by making the Nationalists fight the Japanese occupation, while Mao hid out and conserved his forces. All the while declaring that he was beating the Japanese back. Then when Kai Shek won the war and pushed the Japanese out, then Mao attacks the nationalists in a civil war. So the Japanese, being &#8220;external enemies&#8221; isn&#8217;t a threat to your public support or your ethnic support. Those are your people, they aren&#8217;t going to become disloyal suddenly.</p>
<p>However, if the nationalists won fame, glory, and reputation, and gained enough of Mao&#8217;s allies to defeat Mao on the battlefield, then there&#8217;s a Real Problem.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[razzbuddy:

I hope your son stays safe. 

The people of Turkey are among the most Westernized in the Middle East, and have been ever since Ataturk. It was not accomplished without great difficulty, and unfortunately the forces going against that are winning right now, as they did in Iran (another greatly Westernized country) back in 1979.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>razzbuddy:</p>
<p>I hope your son stays safe. </p>
<p>The people of Turkey are among the most Westernized in the Middle East, and have been ever since Ataturk. It was not accomplished without great difficulty, and unfortunately the forces going against that are winning right now, as they did in Iran (another greatly Westernized country) back in 1979.</p>
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		By: razzbuddy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is dispiriting as a parent of a son living and working in Istanbul. He&#039;s invested 5 years working, has lots of Turkish friends and has enjoyed living there. We visit him every year and this past April it was really noticeable in the decline of tourists. It is even worse now a few months later. He says everyone is very quiet and trying to pretend things are as normal as possible. It&#039;s not of course. This situation is very bad for their economy and of course, I worry about him as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is dispiriting as a parent of a son living and working in Istanbul. He&#8217;s invested 5 years working, has lots of Turkish friends and has enjoyed living there. We visit him every year and this past April it was really noticeable in the decline of tourists. It is even worse now a few months later. He says everyone is very quiet and trying to pretend things are as normal as possible. It&#8217;s not of course. This situation is very bad for their economy and of course, I worry about him as well.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;This isn’t really about Erdogan, he’s just Islam’s current top agent in Turkey. If he hadn’t stepped up, Islam would have found someone else. &quot;&lt;/em&gt; - GB

Actually, it is precisely the opposite.

Erdogan, not unlike the Ayatollah Khomeini, are using their &quot;interpretation&quot; of their religion to herd, cajole, and appeal to  people - and eliminate or isolate the rest who cannot be.

For tyrants and would be tyrants, it is just another way to divide and conquer.  Religion is their tool.

Is it any different from only a few hundred years ago when our &quot;western&quot; rulers used religion as one of their tools - &quot;Divine Right of Kings&quot;.  Rather darn close to &quot;Sharia Law&quot;, IMHO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;This isn’t really about Erdogan, he’s just Islam’s current top agent in Turkey. If he hadn’t stepped up, Islam would have found someone else. &#8220;</em> &#8211; GB</p>
<p>Actually, it is precisely the opposite.</p>
<p>Erdogan, not unlike the Ayatollah Khomeini, are using their &#8220;interpretation&#8221; of their religion to herd, cajole, and appeal to  people &#8211; and eliminate or isolate the rest who cannot be.</p>
<p>For tyrants and would be tyrants, it is just another way to divide and conquer.  Religion is their tool.</p>
<p>Is it any different from only a few hundred years ago when our &#8220;western&#8221; rulers used religion as one of their tools &#8211; &#8220;Divine Right of Kings&#8221;.  Rather darn close to &#8220;Sharia Law&#8221;, IMHO.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dennis Says: 
July 30th, 2016 at 8:24 am
The comments so far have been very interesting especially the facts about Allende, a leftist martyr, who tried to become a dictator in Chile.

When I first read about dictators murdering their own supporters I was shocked. It seems so counterintuitive that a dictator becomes stronger by murdering his supporters but it obviously works since so many powerful dictators have done just that. 
* * *
Early on in a revolution, all the factions have about even amounts of power and &quot;legitimacy&quot; - so the person who is most determined to become dictator has to eliminate potential rivals as soon as it becomes feasible for him to progress without their help.
That&#039;s my reading, anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis Says:<br />
July 30th, 2016 at 8:24 am<br />
The comments so far have been very interesting especially the facts about Allende, a leftist martyr, who tried to become a dictator in Chile.</p>
<p>When I first read about dictators murdering their own supporters I was shocked. It seems so counterintuitive that a dictator becomes stronger by murdering his supporters but it obviously works since so many powerful dictators have done just that.<br />
* * *<br />
Early on in a revolution, all the factions have about even amounts of power and &#8220;legitimacy&#8221; &#8211; so the person who is most determined to become dictator has to eliminate potential rivals as soon as it becomes feasible for him to progress without their help.<br />
That&#8217;s my reading, anyway.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 13:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you do not purge evil, evil will purge you first. That&#039;s just how this world works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do not purge evil, evil will purge you first. That&#8217;s just how this world works.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The comments so far have been very interesting especially the facts about Allende, a leftist martyr, who tried to become a dictator in Chile. 

When I first read about dictators murdering their own supporters I was shocked.  It seems so counterintuitive that a dictator becomes stronger by murdering his supporters but it obviously works since so many powerful dictators have done just that.   So far one has mentioned the biggest murder of all, Mao, who murdered thousands of his fellow communists when he was resting up from torturing and killing innocent commoners.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments so far have been very interesting especially the facts about Allende, a leftist martyr, who tried to become a dictator in Chile. </p>
<p>When I first read about dictators murdering their own supporters I was shocked.  It seems so counterintuitive that a dictator becomes stronger by murdering his supporters but it obviously works since so many powerful dictators have done just that.   So far one has mentioned the biggest murder of all, Mao, who murdered thousands of his fellow communists when he was resting up from torturing and killing innocent commoners.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo-neocon Says:
July 30th, 2016 at 12:23 am

Nick:

Egypt? El-Sisi?

Jordan?

&#038;&#038;&#038;

Their economies have been destroyed -- and so they are now living off of eleemosynary impulses.

Tourism into to MENA has collapsed:

Turkey
Egypt
Syria
Jordan

Even 

Greece,
Yugoslavia -- that whole zone
 
have been torn up.

The Greek situation gets glossed over -- not admitted as being the foundation for her Euro currency distress.

Greece has DEADBEATS all over the countryside.

Italy is doing its best to round them up and put them in -- de  facto isolation// bachelor&#039;s prisons.

You can witness the kvetching on YouTube, BTW.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-neocon Says:<br />
July 30th, 2016 at 12:23 am</p>
<p>Nick:</p>
<p>Egypt? El-Sisi?</p>
<p>Jordan?</p>
<p>&amp;&amp;&amp;</p>
<p>Their economies have been destroyed &#8212; and so they are now living off of eleemosynary impulses.</p>
<p>Tourism into to MENA has collapsed:</p>
<p>Turkey<br />
Egypt<br />
Syria<br />
Jordan</p>
<p>Even </p>
<p>Greece,<br />
Yugoslavia &#8212; that whole zone</p>
<p>have been torn up.</p>
<p>The Greek situation gets glossed over &#8212; not admitted as being the foundation for her Euro currency distress.</p>
<p>Greece has DEADBEATS all over the countryside.</p>
<p>Italy is doing its best to round them up and put them in &#8212; de  facto isolation// bachelor&#8217;s prisons.</p>
<p>You can witness the kvetching on YouTube, BTW.</p>
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