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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/28/russia-and-the-emails-trump-needs-a-sarcasm-tag/#comment-1486747</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2016 16:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@OM - You mention how some here are presenting arguments that are suspiciously close to trump boosterism, in their defense of his actions, expressions.  

It certainly seems so.  I believe it is their single minded focus on how bad clinton would be that they have convinced themselves that nothing trump does, did, or can do can compare to clinton in corruption, malice, or destruction to our country.

Just one example... Assertions about putin being an &quot;alpha dog&quot; who has taken the &quot;measure&quot; of clinton, implying she is more of a &quot;lap dog&quot; than trump, is entirely speculative.  Then the one making this claim flips it to his debate opponent to prove otherwise.  

Crap.  How does one &quot;prove&quot; that one way or the other?  It is simply the claimer&#039;s wish imposed on those relationships, which says more about the arguer&#039;s biases than about the facts they are intending to represent for an argument.  

Not everything trump does is terrible - for instance, this &quot;joke&quot; about asking the Russians to release the other 30K emails.  It is merely one minor example in a huge line of ill considered comments from trump.  Some may even &quot;laugh&quot; at it, as it does speak to some underlying truth about clinton.
  
However, I see no way that trump&#039;s comment puts &quot;America First&quot; - something trump is branding himself as promoting.

And, it sure doesn&#039;t show trump to be &quot;Presidential&quot; - yep, he tells us he can do that &quot;anytime&quot;, but we are still waiting (not that if one feels they have to say that about something so basic, are they really &quot;getting&quot; it?) - that should quell any &quot;laugh&quot; to be had, as it should be taken seriously.

Many &quot;reluctant&quot; trump fans then twist crap like this into an &quot;advantage&quot;.  Yep, trump&#039;s bluster and unpredictability does cause others to be cautious.  That would be fine if it was well focused and considered.  

BUT, trump is like that for Everything!  There isn&#039;t a statement or policy that trump isn&#039;t mutable on (to say nothing about trump&#039;s history that points to him likely being very much a Dem for most policies).  And, THAT has consequences all the way up and down what the POTUS touches.  In that context, it is reckless and dangerous!  To ALL of us!

When it devolves to this type of argumentation, one can only conclude that trump must be &quot;acceptable&quot; to the arguer.
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BOTH candidates have surpassed the threshold for &quot;acceptability&quot;.  Either folks think that is true or not.  If not, they will justify a vote for trump or for clinton.

If one does hold it as true, why the hesitation at looking elsewhere?

If we harbor some hope that our governing structure and societal organization will somehow put constraints on either of these two, that is nothing but a hope and a prayer.  

We have seen much of the GOP collapse fall in line behind trump.  We have seen the FBI refuse to indict clinton, even for basic negligence.  How much more do we need to see that, in understanding how trump or clinton operate, the power of the executive branch will be greatly expanded and ripe for abuse? 

If we look for perfect policy alignment - forget it!  Doesn&#039;t exist!  And, it is mighty presumptuous at this time to be so picky about policy, given the alternative.

If we are waiting for a &quot;viable&quot; alternative brought on by some &quot;leadership&quot; (i.e. a signal for us to move) - that ship has sailed.  We don&#039;t have any &quot;good&quot; choices left.  

If we ALL take the &quot;wait for others to move first, as my signal to move&quot;, we will wait forever.  (BTW - waiting for such a &quot;signal&quot; is what brought us trump in the GOP - it is a losing strategy).  

We need to move now.  On our own.
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Libertarians have TWO experienced, two-term Republican Governors at the top of their ticket.  It will be as close as we can get this election to having somebody that doesn&#039;t have all the disqualifying flaws of trump or clinton.

We need to break from our reflexive rut of a habitual binary choice.  This time is different.  IF the two traditional party candidates are now &quot;unacceptable&quot;, recognize that there are other choices available.  

Consider them.  

Make them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@OM &#8211; You mention how some here are presenting arguments that are suspiciously close to trump boosterism, in their defense of his actions, expressions.  </p>
<p>It certainly seems so.  I believe it is their single minded focus on how bad clinton would be that they have convinced themselves that nothing trump does, did, or can do can compare to clinton in corruption, malice, or destruction to our country.</p>
<p>Just one example&#8230; Assertions about putin being an &#8220;alpha dog&#8221; who has taken the &#8220;measure&#8221; of clinton, implying she is more of a &#8220;lap dog&#8221; than trump, is entirely speculative.  Then the one making this claim flips it to his debate opponent to prove otherwise.  </p>
<p>Crap.  How does one &#8220;prove&#8221; that one way or the other?  It is simply the claimer&#8217;s wish imposed on those relationships, which says more about the arguer&#8217;s biases than about the facts they are intending to represent for an argument.  </p>
<p>Not everything trump does is terrible &#8211; for instance, this &#8220;joke&#8221; about asking the Russians to release the other 30K emails.  It is merely one minor example in a huge line of ill considered comments from trump.  Some may even &#8220;laugh&#8221; at it, as it does speak to some underlying truth about clinton.</p>
<p>However, I see no way that trump&#8217;s comment puts &#8220;America First&#8221; &#8211; something trump is branding himself as promoting.</p>
<p>And, it sure doesn&#8217;t show trump to be &#8220;Presidential&#8221; &#8211; yep, he tells us he can do that &#8220;anytime&#8221;, but we are still waiting (not that if one feels they have to say that about something so basic, are they really &#8220;getting&#8221; it?) &#8211; that should quell any &#8220;laugh&#8221; to be had, as it should be taken seriously.</p>
<p>Many &#8220;reluctant&#8221; trump fans then twist crap like this into an &#8220;advantage&#8221;.  Yep, trump&#8217;s bluster and unpredictability does cause others to be cautious.  That would be fine if it was well focused and considered.  </p>
<p>BUT, trump is like that for Everything!  There isn&#8217;t a statement or policy that trump isn&#8217;t mutable on (to say nothing about trump&#8217;s history that points to him likely being very much a Dem for most policies).  And, THAT has consequences all the way up and down what the POTUS touches.  In that context, it is reckless and dangerous!  To ALL of us!</p>
<p>When it devolves to this type of argumentation, one can only conclude that trump must be &#8220;acceptable&#8221; to the arguer.<br />
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<p>BOTH candidates have surpassed the threshold for &#8220;acceptability&#8221;.  Either folks think that is true or not.  If not, they will justify a vote for trump or for clinton.</p>
<p>If one does hold it as true, why the hesitation at looking elsewhere?</p>
<p>If we harbor some hope that our governing structure and societal organization will somehow put constraints on either of these two, that is nothing but a hope and a prayer.  </p>
<p>We have seen much of the GOP collapse fall in line behind trump.  We have seen the FBI refuse to indict clinton, even for basic negligence.  How much more do we need to see that, in understanding how trump or clinton operate, the power of the executive branch will be greatly expanded and ripe for abuse? </p>
<p>If we look for perfect policy alignment &#8211; forget it!  Doesn&#8217;t exist!  And, it is mighty presumptuous at this time to be so picky about policy, given the alternative.</p>
<p>If we are waiting for a &#8220;viable&#8221; alternative brought on by some &#8220;leadership&#8221; (i.e. a signal for us to move) &#8211; that ship has sailed.  We don&#8217;t have any &#8220;good&#8221; choices left.  </p>
<p>If we ALL take the &#8220;wait for others to move first, as my signal to move&#8221;, we will wait forever.  (BTW &#8211; waiting for such a &#8220;signal&#8221; is what brought us trump in the GOP &#8211; it is a losing strategy).  </p>
<p>We need to move now.  On our own.<br />
.</p>
<p>Libertarians have TWO experienced, two-term Republican Governors at the top of their ticket.  It will be as close as we can get this election to having somebody that doesn&#8217;t have all the disqualifying flaws of trump or clinton.</p>
<p>We need to break from our reflexive rut of a habitual binary choice.  This time is different.  IF the two traditional party candidates are now &#8220;unacceptable&#8221;, recognize that there are other choices available.  </p>
<p>Consider them.  </p>
<p>Make them.</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/28/russia-and-the-emails-trump-needs-a-sarcasm-tag/#comment-1474168</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump ties to Putin:  Inconceivable!  But Trump will fight them!
He&#039;s so aggressive and &quot;loves&quot; America!  

Well, he&#039;s not Hillary.  Profound insight.

http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/07/30/trumps-ties-russia-may-run-surface-deep/!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump ties to Putin:  Inconceivable!  But Trump will fight them!<br />
He&#8217;s so aggressive and &#8220;loves&#8221; America!  </p>
<p>Well, he&#8217;s not Hillary.  Profound insight.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/07/30/trumps-ties-russia-may-run-surface-deep/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/07/30/trumps-ties-russia-may-run-surface-deep/</a>!</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/28/russia-and-the-emails-trump-needs-a-sarcasm-tag/#comment-1473921</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 13:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People here at Neo Neo has already told Republicans and conservatives to emulate and duplicate Alinsky&#039;s book of tactics, as an insurgency or COIN.

Trum is actually really late to the party, and is a latter &quot;addition&quot; due to DC power plays. Either Trum learned Alinsky early on and used it against his enemies, or he&#039;s picking it up on Facebook and twitter from the Alt Right operatives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People here at Neo Neo has already told Republicans and conservatives to emulate and duplicate Alinsky&#8217;s book of tactics, as an insurgency or COIN.</p>
<p>Trum is actually really late to the party, and is a latter &#8220;addition&#8221; due to DC power plays. Either Trum learned Alinsky early on and used it against his enemies, or he&#8217;s picking it up on Facebook and twitter from the Alt Right operatives.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/28/russia-and-the-emails-trump-needs-a-sarcasm-tag/#comment-1473918</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 13:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;There used to be a difference between MSM and National Enquirer.&lt;/b&gt;

They pretended there was a difference, and used American society&#039;s tendency to conform, to enforce that on the public.

An old example would be Walt Cronkite. 

As for geo politics and foreign policy, much of the world is as the Alt Right and Putin sees it as. NATO is flawed, and probably no longer beneficial to even its member states, let alone weakling minor powers outside it like Georgia. 

However, that doesn&#039;t mean everyone who recognizes that, are on the Putin, Alt Right pro Democrat slave lord white nationalism, Trum boat. Difference there.

For the Alt Right, anyone using Alinsky tactics is golden. But it&#039;s their logistics (allies) and strategy, they should be brushing up on, not the tactics of a Democrat 70 yo Trum or his pillars of support.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>There used to be a difference between MSM and National Enquirer.</b></p>
<p>They pretended there was a difference, and used American society&#8217;s tendency to conform, to enforce that on the public.</p>
<p>An old example would be Walt Cronkite. </p>
<p>As for geo politics and foreign policy, much of the world is as the Alt Right and Putin sees it as. NATO is flawed, and probably no longer beneficial to even its member states, let alone weakling minor powers outside it like Georgia. </p>
<p>However, that doesn&#8217;t mean everyone who recognizes that, are on the Putin, Alt Right pro Democrat slave lord white nationalism, Trum boat. Difference there.</p>
<p>For the Alt Right, anyone using Alinsky tactics is golden. But it&#8217;s their logistics (allies) and strategy, they should be brushing up on, not the tactics of a Democrat 70 yo Trum or his pillars of support.</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/28/russia-and-the-emails-trump-needs-a-sarcasm-tag/#comment-1471275</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 01:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some professionals and serious minds think congress should investigate the reported Russian meddling in the current election.  

http://warontherocks.com/2016/07/open-letter-congress-must-investigate-russian-interference-in-the-presidential-election/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some professionals and serious minds think congress should investigate the reported Russian meddling in the current election.  </p>
<p><a href="http://warontherocks.com/2016/07/open-letter-congress-must-investigate-russian-interference-in-the-presidential-election/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://warontherocks.com/2016/07/open-letter-congress-must-investigate-russian-interference-in-the-presidential-election/</a></p>
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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/28/russia-and-the-emails-trump-needs-a-sarcasm-tag/#comment-1470723</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GB:

So you are now saying he is mistaken regarding the Constitution and his religious practice.  Before you were saying all who practice his religious cannot be in compliance with the Constitution.  

Rich, coming from an authority such as yourself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB:</p>
<p>So you are now saying he is mistaken regarding the Constitution and his religious practice.  Before you were saying all who practice his religious cannot be in compliance with the Constitution.  </p>
<p>Rich, coming from an authority such as yourself.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art,

There is a difference between confidence and egotism. 

OM, 

An appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. That poor father&#039;s implicit suggestion that our Constitution and Islam are reconcilable  is proof positive of profound denial. No expert theological knowledge needed to spot opposing premises.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art,</p>
<p>There is a difference between confidence and egotism. </p>
<p>OM, </p>
<p>An appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. That poor father&#8217;s implicit suggestion that our Constitution and Islam are reconcilable  is proof positive of profound denial. No expert theological knowledge needed to spot opposing premises.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2016 20:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[West:

No, that&#039;s &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a public activity.  And if it hadn&#039;t been for Lewinsky talking about it to Linda Tripp (and then all the subsequent revelations), it would not have come to the public&#039;s attention.

Now, of course, it was a &lt;i&gt;risky&lt;/i&gt; activity that &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; have come to the attention of the public; that was part of the risk.  But it was not a public activity, and Bill Clinton was engaged in trying to keep it private.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>West:</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s <i>not</i> a public activity.  And if it hadn&#8217;t been for Lewinsky talking about it to Linda Tripp (and then all the subsequent revelations), it would not have come to the public&#8217;s attention.</p>
<p>Now, of course, it was a <i>risky</i> activity that <i>might</i> have come to the attention of the public; that was part of the risk.  But it was not a public activity, and Bill Clinton was engaged in trying to keep it private.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[VIDEO: CNN Wolf Blitzer drinks wine, dances to celebrate Hillary’s nomination

The Link (if you&#039;re really interested):

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-cnn-wolf-blitzer-drinks-wine-dances-celebrate-hillarys-nomination/

&lt;i&gt;Quod erat demonstrandum&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VIDEO: CNN Wolf Blitzer drinks wine, dances to celebrate Hillary’s nomination</p>
<p>The Link (if you&#8217;re really interested):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-cnn-wolf-blitzer-drinks-wine-dances-celebrate-hillarys-nomination/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-cnn-wolf-blitzer-drinks-wine-dances-celebrate-hillarys-nomination/</a></p>
<p><i>Quod erat demonstrandum</i></p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/28/russia-and-the-emails-trump-needs-a-sarcasm-tag/#comment-1470053</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IMO much of the distinction between public and private behavior has been eradicated by so-called journalists.  There used to be a difference between MSM and National Enquirer.  Not so much any more.  Much of what passes for &quot;news&quot; in the MSM is gossip and Kafkatrapping.  As even the leftist Walter Cronkite noted, when you&#039;re using adjetives and adverbs you&#039;re not reporting; you&#039;re editorializing (just note how many adverbs and adjectives appear in all of those serious &quot;news&quot; stories).

BTW in the case of Bill Clinton, perhaps it should not be &quot;public and private behavior&quot; but &quot;pubic and privates behavior.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO much of the distinction between public and private behavior has been eradicated by so-called journalists.  There used to be a difference between MSM and National Enquirer.  Not so much any more.  Much of what passes for &#8220;news&#8221; in the MSM is gossip and Kafkatrapping.  As even the leftist Walter Cronkite noted, when you&#8217;re using adjetives and adverbs you&#8217;re not reporting; you&#8217;re editorializing (just note how many adverbs and adjectives appear in all of those serious &#8220;news&#8221; stories).</p>
<p>BTW in the case of Bill Clinton, perhaps it should not be &#8220;public and private behavior&#8221; but &#8220;pubic and privates behavior.&#8221;</p>
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