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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/20/more-on-the-turkish-coup-attempt-democracy-at-any-price/#comment-1452959</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;US have handed them Iraq why?&lt;/b&gt;

Your Democrat friends and boy Hussein handed them Iraq.

&lt;b&gt;How does this apply to the attempts to spread democracy to a country such as Iraq?&lt;/b&gt;

It doesn&#039;t. Democracy is a poison, and if you spread it to Iraq, they will be weakened, which was part of the point of infecting Islam with democracy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>US have handed them Iraq why?</b></p>
<p>Your Democrat friends and boy Hussein handed them Iraq.</p>
<p><b>How does this apply to the attempts to spread democracy to a country such as Iraq?</b></p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t. Democracy is a poison, and if you spread it to Iraq, they will be weakened, which was part of the point of infecting Islam with democracy.</p>
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		By: Fred		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/20/more-on-the-turkish-coup-attempt-democracy-at-any-price/#comment-1440254</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2016 00:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How does this apply to the attempts to spread democracy to a country such as Iraq?

this should to be asked with every US Officials who worked in CPA from Paul Bremer to the rest spaciously  Islamic Democracy champion Noah Freeman.

All the gangs who came were promoted/supported by US from the start  same guys still in power and they are most corrupted sick guys on the planet.....US have handed them Iraq why? 

Leav it to you imaginations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does this apply to the attempts to spread democracy to a country such as Iraq?</p>
<p>this should to be asked with every US Officials who worked in CPA from Paul Bremer to the rest spaciously  Islamic Democracy champion Noah Freeman.</p>
<p>All the gangs who came were promoted/supported by US from the start  same guys still in power and they are most corrupted sick guys on the planet&#8230;..US have handed them Iraq why? </p>
<p>Leav it to you imaginations.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/20/more-on-the-turkish-coup-attempt-democracy-at-any-price/#comment-1432192</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The refugees were an invasion force Turkey sent along into Europe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The refugees were an invasion force Turkey sent along into Europe.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/20/more-on-the-turkish-coup-attempt-democracy-at-any-price/#comment-1432044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2016 18:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Claire Berlinski has another post up at Ricochet about events in Turkey. According to the friend she interviewed, a large percentage of Turks are pretty happy with the secular country, but the different parties can&#039;t come together to beat Erdogan.

Erdogan is also pushing things in Germany. I don&#039;t think Merkel will give too much despite needing his help with the refugees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claire Berlinski has another post up at Ricochet about events in Turkey. According to the friend she interviewed, a large percentage of Turks are pretty happy with the secular country, but the different parties can&#8217;t come together to beat Erdogan.</p>
<p>Erdogan is also pushing things in Germany. I don&#8217;t think Merkel will give too much despite needing his help with the refugees.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/20/more-on-the-turkish-coup-attempt-democracy-at-any-price/#comment-1431828</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2016 18:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Democratic socialism. The Left tends to redefine terms and when you go along with that, you contribute to the decay in this world.

Same way the Left calls Hussein the Lightbringer and Messiah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democratic socialism. The Left tends to redefine terms and when you go along with that, you contribute to the decay in this world.</p>
<p>Same way the Left calls Hussein the Lightbringer and Messiah.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric Says:   blert:  “Zodac you are conflating Republic with Democracy.”

You’re both right. There’s the technical distinction. But in policy discussion, “democracy” usually is understood to include the “guarantees of liberty and the rule of a law that protects individual liberty”.

Democracy has none of that, its mob rule... 
your confused... 
there are no guarantees of liberty in mob rule 

your confusing Democratic, with democracy
so we are a democratic republic
ie. mob rules on who runs things temporarily]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Says:   blert:  “Zodac you are conflating Republic with Democracy.”</p>
<p>You’re both right. There’s the technical distinction. But in policy discussion, “democracy” usually is understood to include the “guarantees of liberty and the rule of a law that protects individual liberty”.</p>
<p>Democracy has none of that, its mob rule&#8230;<br />
your confused&#8230;<br />
there are no guarantees of liberty in mob rule </p>
<p>your confusing Democratic, with democracy<br />
so we are a democratic republic<br />
ie. mob rules on who runs things temporarily</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Turkish lawmakers set to give Erdogan sweeping new powers
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_TURKEY_MILITARY_COUP?SITE=AP&#038;SECTION=HOME&#038;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&#038;CTIME=2016-07-21-09-03-49

Turkey to suspend European rights convention
https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-suspend-european-rights-convention-state-emergency-005317508.html?ref=gs

and so such referencdums and things mean nothing because you can suspend hem when you dont want them, and replace them when you do. 

its like a law saying its illegal to murder, flip a swih calles suspension, kill someone, and turn the switch again. 

As for korea!!!
Mystery Numbers in North Korea Broadcasts Carry Cold War Echoes
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/07/20/mystery-numbers-n-korea-broadcasts-carry-cold-war-echoes.html

and i ahve broght this up before here a neoneocons:
Lee Harris, prognosticator
http://neoneocon.com/2015/10/15/lee-harris-prognosticator/#comment-929783  
I brough up SKYKING, and that one of the most famous of these number stations is the lincolnshire poacher
&lt;blockquote&gt;
On SKYKING (8992 or 11175 kHz USB) a call sign called “COLLAPSE” which has not been heard since 2001 has just broadcasted 4 messages to numbered stations/units in the last few minutes

“FUXEBOX” and “Reykjavik,” have also broadcast in the last few days and they haven’t been heard since 1991 (collapse of the Soviet Union).

“COLLAPSE” has sent 3 messages in the last few minutes.
1) QSWOR2 QSWOR2YQ4PZNWNO56KOPHGWWZEK64S
2) QSSFB7M3ZF2G6UGRF4KJSAIK7WWTFP
3) QSHF5J QSHF5JO2CTJBNQ4KJVF6KPNJOGZI60

Message Four from “FLATTOP!” (ANOTHER STATION NOT HEARD IN YEARS!): QSXD5OFPUOAWOHSKF7QBAX4GF5VRFK&lt;/blockquote&gt;

“Atencié³n” station or the “Russian Man” are two other stations

the post was to ask because these stations suddenly fired up again, and they are used by all sides to communicate to sleepers/underground in other countries.  One of the most famous, thanks to the movie &quot;The Longest Day&quot; was the Radio Londres... [there was also Radio Belgique]

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Shortly before the D-Day landings of 6 June 1944, Radio Londres broadcast the first stanza of Paul Verlaine&#039;s poem &quot;Chanson d&#039;automne&quot; to let the resistance know that the invasion would begin within 24 hours&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;b&gt;&quot;wound my heart with a monotonous languor&quot; was the specific call to action&lt;/b&gt;

the background is to clue you all in on why people might be concerned as to such things, but also note, one can just fire up a radio, and send a stream of nothing to no one and get similar reaction since no one knows the validty of the transmission, or if there is a reciever, etc. But take it seriously as you would a ISIS threat.. 

If you want to hear an example of this, you can go to Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnXPqUU6fI0
1_06: The Lincolnshire Poacher 

[by the way, firedepartments use a similar concept with their plectron radios... a series of signals which translate to each station, you get used to listening to the one that is yours to respond, and ignore the others]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turkish lawmakers set to give Erdogan sweeping new powers<br />
<a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_TURKEY_MILITARY_COUP?SITE=AP&#038;SECTION=HOME&#038;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&#038;CTIME=2016-07-21-09-03-49" rel="nofollow ugc">http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_TURKEY_MILITARY_COUP?SITE=AP&#038;SECTION=HOME&#038;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&#038;CTIME=2016-07-21-09-03-49</a></p>
<p>Turkey to suspend European rights convention<br />
<a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-suspend-european-rights-convention-state-emergency-005317508.html?ref=gs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-suspend-european-rights-convention-state-emergency-005317508.html?ref=gs</a></p>
<p>and so such referencdums and things mean nothing because you can suspend hem when you dont want them, and replace them when you do. </p>
<p>its like a law saying its illegal to murder, flip a swih calles suspension, kill someone, and turn the switch again. </p>
<p>As for korea!!!<br />
Mystery Numbers in North Korea Broadcasts Carry Cold War Echoes<br />
<a href="http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/07/20/mystery-numbers-n-korea-broadcasts-carry-cold-war-echoes.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/07/20/mystery-numbers-n-korea-broadcasts-carry-cold-war-echoes.html</a></p>
<p>and i ahve broght this up before here a neoneocons:<br />
Lee Harris, prognosticator<br />
<a href="http://neoneocon.com/2015/10/15/lee-harris-prognosticator/#comment-929783" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neoneocon.com/2015/10/15/lee-harris-prognosticator/#comment-929783</a><br />
I brough up SKYKING, and that one of the most famous of these number stations is the lincolnshire poacher</p>
<blockquote><p>
On SKYKING (8992 or 11175 kHz USB) a call sign called “COLLAPSE” which has not been heard since 2001 has just broadcasted 4 messages to numbered stations/units in the last few minutes</p>
<p>“FUXEBOX” and “Reykjavik,” have also broadcast in the last few days and they haven’t been heard since 1991 (collapse of the Soviet Union).</p>
<p>“COLLAPSE” has sent 3 messages in the last few minutes.<br />
1) QSWOR2 QSWOR2YQ4PZNWNO56KOPHGWWZEK64S<br />
2) QSSFB7M3ZF2G6UGRF4KJSAIK7WWTFP<br />
3) QSHF5J QSHF5JO2CTJBNQ4KJVF6KPNJOGZI60</p>
<p>Message Four from “FLATTOP!” (ANOTHER STATION NOT HEARD IN YEARS!): QSXD5OFPUOAWOHSKF7QBAX4GF5VRFK</p></blockquote>
<p>“Atencié³n” station or the “Russian Man” are two other stations</p>
<p>the post was to ask because these stations suddenly fired up again, and they are used by all sides to communicate to sleepers/underground in other countries.  One of the most famous, thanks to the movie &#8220;The Longest Day&#8221; was the Radio Londres&#8230; [there was also Radio Belgique]</p>
<blockquote><p>
Shortly before the D-Day landings of 6 June 1944, Radio Londres broadcast the first stanza of Paul Verlaine&#8217;s poem &#8220;Chanson d&#8217;automne&#8221; to let the resistance know that the invasion would begin within 24 hours</p></blockquote>
<p><b>&#8220;wound my heart with a monotonous languor&#8221; was the specific call to action</b></p>
<p>the background is to clue you all in on why people might be concerned as to such things, but also note, one can just fire up a radio, and send a stream of nothing to no one and get similar reaction since no one knows the validty of the transmission, or if there is a reciever, etc. But take it seriously as you would a ISIS threat.. </p>
<p>If you want to hear an example of this, you can go to Youtube:<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnXPqUU6fI0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnXPqUU6fI0</a><br />
1_06: The Lincolnshire Poacher </p>
<p>[by the way, firedepartments use a similar concept with their plectron radios&#8230; a series of signals which translate to each station, you get used to listening to the one that is yours to respond, and ignore the others]</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[blert:
&quot;Zodac you are conflating Republic with Democracy.&quot;

You&#039;re both right. There&#039;s the technical distinction. But in policy discussion, &quot;democracy&quot; usually is understood to include the &quot;guarantees of liberty and the rule of a law that protects individual liberty&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blert:<br />
&#8220;Zodac you are conflating Republic with Democracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re both right. There&#8217;s the technical distinction. But in policy discussion, &#8220;democracy&#8221; usually is understood to include the &#8220;guarantees of liberty and the rule of a law that protects individual liberty&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/07/20/more-on-the-turkish-coup-attempt-democracy-at-any-price/#comment-1430742</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pipes elides that South Korea&#039;s long, bumpy, post-WW2, post-Japan development has been constantly affected by the sustained and evolving US peace operations with the ROK.

Religion is an easy answer and significant, but applying it as a &#039;unified theory&#039; is a cop out. The development of liberal democracy there, too, comes down to political science.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pipes elides that South Korea&#8217;s long, bumpy, post-WW2, post-Japan development has been constantly affected by the sustained and evolving US peace operations with the ROK.</p>
<p>Religion is an easy answer and significant, but applying it as a &#8216;unified theory&#8217; is a cop out. The development of liberal democracy there, too, comes down to political science.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zodac you are conflating Republic with Democracy.]]></description>
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