People should keep that in mind whenever people talk about voting for the lesser evil in this direct democratic system, pseudo oligarchy, of a USA.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146709758156/the-time-i-accidentally-plunged-europe-into

I am not clear on how you think we differ. You folks in CA can go your own way. I was posting about the option of Article 5 to put a halter and bit on the beltway.

California could have reformed their property tax system in many ways; they chose, by referendum, to install a system that benefited the current population and penalized the devil out of late comers.

Probably a common temptation in pure Democracy situations to benefit the majority and penalize the minority. The Founders understood this.

A friend uses this as his email signature: “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.”

Perhaps some of the commenters have always lived in states where no such process exists under law.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/initiative-referendum-and-recall-overview.aspx

” progressoverpeace Says:
June 30th, 2016 at 12:38 am

Well, I don’t see anyone saying we don’t use referendums.

We don’t. The Constitution doesn’t allow for them — Thank G-d.

This is just another reason why Barky’s idiotic White House petition site is so un-American and alien.Well, I don’t see anyone saying we don’t use referendums.

We don’t. The Constitution doesn’t allow for them — Thank G-d.

This is just another reason why Barky’s idiotic White House petition site is so un-American and alien.”

“The Constitution guarantees that all States will have REPUBLICAN forms of government. “

It seems to me you may have overshot the mark in this case, and that despite what Madison might have intended by “Republican” as synonymous with representative democracy, those who commented on the section, had in mind a more common, etymologically understood definition.

” 326 Thus, Randolph on June 11, supporting Madison’s version pending then, said that ‘‘a republican government must be the basis of our national union; and no state in it ought to have it in their power to change its government into a monarchy.’’

1 id. at 206. Again, on July 18, when Wilson and Mason indicated their understanding that the object of the proposal was ‘‘merely’’ to protect States against violence, Randolph asserted: ‘‘The Resoln. has 2 Objects. 1. to secure Republican government.

2. to suppress domestic commotions. He urged the necessity of both these provisions.’’ 2 id. at 47. Following speakers alluded to the dangers of monarchy being created peacefully as necessitating the provision. Id. at 48. See W. WIECEK, THE GUARANTEE CLAUSE OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION ch. 2 (1972).”

Constitution of the United States Annotated

Marx lived in five different places in Brussels between 1845 and 1848. He received political asylum in Belgium when he was kicked out of France, and enjoyed for three years the freedom of speech of Belgium, which had one of the most liberal constitutions in Europe at the time. In 1848 he fled again, after becoming too much of a nuisance to the Belgian authorities.

In Belgium, Marx had the most productive time of his life. It was here that his ideas of dialectical materialism took shape, and here he wrote The Communist Manifesto together with Friedrich Engels. He used the central location of Brussels and the modern railway system and postal services to network with his friends and communist colleagues in France, Germany and England. Thus he set up the Communist League together with the communists from London and entertained contacts with German emigres across Europe.

they can never resist word games, and so much of this “duping delight” where they do things that hide things that those in the know or care will figure out… tons of it… tons and tons of it.

Marx lived at number 5, in a run-down worker’s house. Next to him, at number 3, lived Friedrich Engels, his main collaborator who helped shape his ideas into a coherent theory. At number 7 lived another early luminary of socialism, Mozes Hess. He converted Engels to Communism and gave Marx an insight into social and economic issues of the day. Hess was also the founding father of Zionism.

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visit Le Cygne, the swan. According to legend, Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto here, drinking wine and smoking a nice cigar. But Marx was too poor for that, instead he used the backroom of the bar to educate workers about their exploitation by the ruling elite. I imagine they must have been rowdy evenings, with a charismatic agitator like Marx in front of a drunk, desperate and uneducated audience. At the time a quarter of the population of Brussels was on welfare, and the living conditions for workers were appalling. Many worked 15 hours a day for a pittance, and sent their daughters out on the streets to work as prostitutes.

i guess starvating and having to eat your children was better than prostituting your daughter… but then again, marxist feminism has turned the average young girl into a prostitute that gives it away, and does things prostitutes of the past refused or would charge high fees for… not only that, but she puts it in instagram, facebook, etc… and the elite no longer have to try to get around the family.. and they no longer have to be responsble for children that come from using the underclass. it also has the added benefit of exterminating the underglass with below replacement and leaving the wealthy to repopulate the upperclass with their genetics, while erasing the middle class as a pool for new elite. [leaving dummies on the bottom and able on the top, and repeating the worst of the egyptian society.. which is interesting given that they have put obilisks and such wereever they progressively have gone and taken over…]

another thing to pay attention to is the “code words” that they took from marx and his days in paris… this is where FORWARDS became big for hitler jugand later as Voorworts, and for the communists as Vpered…

In 1843, Marx became co-editor of a new, radical leftist Parisian newspaper, the Deutsch-Franzé¶sische Jahrbé¼cher (German-French Annals), then being set up by the German socialist Arnold Ruge to bring together German and French radicals,[54] and thus Marx and his wife moved to Paris in October 1843.

Although intended to attract writers from both France and the German states, the Jahrbé¼cher was dominated by the latter; the only non-German writer was the exiled Russian anarchist collectivist Mikhail Bakunin.

Bakunin used anti-Jewish sentiments that suggested a Jewish system of global exploitation;

This whole Jewish world, comprising a single exploiting sect, a kind of blood sucking people, a kind of organic destructive collective parasite, going beyond not only the frontiers of states, but of political opinion, this world is now, at least for the most part, at the disposal of Marx on the one hand, and of Rothschild on the other… This may seem strange. What can there be in common between socialism and a leading bank? The point is that authoritarian socialism, Marxist communism, demands a strong centralisation of the state. And where there is centralisation of the state, there must necessarily be a central bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, speculating with the Labour of the people, will be found

Early nationalism: I feel myself always the patriot of all oppressed fatherlands. . . Nationality. . . is a historic, local fact which, like all real and harmless facts, has the right to claim general acceptance. . . Every people, like every person, is involuntarily that which it is and therefore has a right to be itself. . . Nationality is not a principle; it is a legitimate fact, just as individuality is. Every nationality, great or small, has the incontestable right to be itself, to live according to its own nature. This right is simply the corollary of the general principal of freedom. -Bukunin [quoted by Alfredo M. Bonanno in Anarchism and the National Liberation Struggle, pp. 19—20]

but back to marx…

Marx contributed two essays to the paper, “Introduction to a Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right” and “On the Jewish Question,” the latter introducing his belief that the proletariat were a revolutionary force and marking his embrace of communism

it was that funky austrian fellow with the gas mask inspired moustache that took up this work and created “the final solution to the jewish question” as his landmark program to free the world of capitalism, which was said in these documents to be an invention of the jews and would not be eradicated until they were removed or changed

Only one issue was published, but it was relatively successful, largely owing to the inclusion of Heinrich Heine’s satirical odes on King Ludwig of Bavaria, leading the German states to ban it and seize imported copies; Ruge nevertheless refused to fund the publication of further issues, and his friendship with Marx broke down. After the paper’s collapse, Marx began writing for the only uncensored German-language radical newspaper left, Vorwé¤rts! (Forward!). Based in Paris, the paper was connected to the League of the Just, a utopian socialist secret society of workers and artisans. Marx attended some of their meetings, but did not join. In Vorwé¤rts!, Marx refined his views on socialism based upon Hegelian and Feuerbachian ideas of dialectical materialism, at the same time criticising liberals and other socialists operating in Europe.

which is why Forwards! was obama campaign slogan, the hitler youth, and the communists of stalin era… and its also why LEAGUE became code word for communism socialism as a way to identify fellow travelers and avoid being connected… ie. like isis lone wolves are described by the socialists to use that idea against the idea of a coordinated effort, as if only direct orders are valid. (no, the CPUSA and other groups put out goals and then let the termites go at it without orders so the conspiracy could never be dismantled or proven… now ISIS does the same)

remember, obamas ayers weathermen came from the SID, which before that was the LID. League of Industrial Democracy

Like other more benign organizations, the public ignores these coordinating games and until its so much and so bad… then they react and wash them.. which is why in woodrow wilsons time and FDR, league was the key word… but like socialism and communism they wear out the positive cache and then move on, which is why league is rarely in use today, when it was literally all over before… as what happened to Forwards! and so on.

What Barack Obama’s ‘Forward’ Slogan Really Means
It behooves conservatives to understand where progressive are coming from.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/scott-galupo/2012/05/02/what-barack-obamas-forward-slogan-really-means

to those that know the history and the game, they speak clearly, to those that dont, there is doubt and no belief whatsoever.

which is why they won and now are just cleaning up..