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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/29/pointing-the-finger-at-cair-and-its-fellows/#comment-1338858</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Bush II&#039;s primary problem is that he wanted to work with Democrats, cooperative with them, and trust them as the Loyal Opposition.

You got the TSA and Hussein and Iraq as a result.

Just like when Washington refused to believe Arnold was a traitor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush II&#8217;s primary problem is that he wanted to work with Democrats, cooperative with them, and trust them as the Loyal Opposition.</p>
<p>You got the TSA and Hussein and Iraq as a result.</p>
<p>Just like when Washington refused to believe Arnold was a traitor.</p>
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		By: Tom G		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/29/pointing-the-finger-at-cair-and-its-fellows/#comment-1336061</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2016 13:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ted Cruz has an unattractive voice, saying good things.  Sarah Palin also has a terrible voice, often saying good things.
H. Clinton&#039;s voice is often lousy, too, often saying platitudes which would be good if one believed she believed it, but I never believe her.

Trump&#039;s voice is quite good, despite flip-flopping on issues.

Obama&#039;s voice is fantastic -- he could be a voice actor.  Too bad I don&#039;t believe his platitudes, either.

I think Trump should constantly compliment Obama on his voice, and claim that folk voted for him because of his voice, not for his terrible results.

I don&#039;t like Trump, but strongly feel the USA will be much better off if Congress has a majority of Reps -- despite the dishonest badmouthing that will come from Dem media, Dem academia, Dem think tanks; all Dem elites.  That looks like supporting the Rep nominee for Pres, plus more strongly more Reps in Congress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted Cruz has an unattractive voice, saying good things.  Sarah Palin also has a terrible voice, often saying good things.<br />
H. Clinton&#8217;s voice is often lousy, too, often saying platitudes which would be good if one believed she believed it, but I never believe her.</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s voice is quite good, despite flip-flopping on issues.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s voice is fantastic &#8212; he could be a voice actor.  Too bad I don&#8217;t believe his platitudes, either.</p>
<p>I think Trump should constantly compliment Obama on his voice, and claim that folk voted for him because of his voice, not for his terrible results.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like Trump, but strongly feel the USA will be much better off if Congress has a majority of Reps &#8212; despite the dishonest badmouthing that will come from Dem media, Dem academia, Dem think tanks; all Dem elites.  That looks like supporting the Rep nominee for Pres, plus more strongly more Reps in Congress.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/29/pointing-the-finger-at-cair-and-its-fellows/#comment-1332798</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suppose I should back up my statement about the Quran&#039;s instructions on how to interpret it.

Surah 2 Al-Baqarah (The Cow) Ayah 106:

&quot;We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?&quot;

There are three types of abrogation in Islamic theology.

1. Abrogation of verse and command.
2. Abrogation of verse but not command.
3. Abrogation of command but not verse.

Regardless, what &quot;Allah brings forth&quot; later replaces what Allah brought forth earlier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I should back up my statement about the Quran&#8217;s instructions on how to interpret it.</p>
<p>Surah 2 Al-Baqarah (The Cow) Ayah 106:</p>
<p>&#8220;We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?&#8221;</p>
<p>There are three types of abrogation in Islamic theology.</p>
<p>1. Abrogation of verse and command.<br />
2. Abrogation of verse but not command.<br />
3. Abrogation of command but not verse.</p>
<p>Regardless, what &#8220;Allah brings forth&#8221; later replaces what Allah brought forth earlier.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Damn eGremlins. 

I was going to say the ahadith and the Quranic verses are contradictory and you can find what you want. But the peaceful traditions and verses are in the definite minority. And the Quran itself instructs the reader how to interpret it. Later verses, the violent Medinan verses,  abrogate the earlier Meccan verses.

Surah 3 Ali &#039;Imran (Family of Imran), ayah 151 

&quot;&lt;strong&gt; We will cast terror&lt;/strong&gt;  into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.&quot;

It is really impossible for CAIR to make the same case for Islam that you and I can make for our religions. IS is not getting it wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn eGremlins. </p>
<p>I was going to say the ahadith and the Quranic verses are contradictory and you can find what you want. But the peaceful traditions and verses are in the definite minority. And the Quran itself instructs the reader how to interpret it. Later verses, the violent Medinan verses,  abrogate the earlier Meccan verses.</p>
<p>Surah 3 Ali &#8216;Imran (Family of Imran), ayah 151 </p>
<p>&#8220;<strong> We will cast terror</strong>  into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is really impossible for CAIR to make the same case for Islam that you and I can make for our religions. IS is not getting it wrong.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My friend, that was my point. I know that Orthodox Judaism does not condone terrorism. Neither does Catholicism. 

What CAIR has to hide is this.

&quot; Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah&#039;s Messenger (ï·º) said, &quot;I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and &lt;strong&gt;I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy),&lt;/strong&gt; and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.&quot; Abu Huraira added: Allah&#039;s Messenger (ï·º) has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

Reference	 : Sahih al-Bukhari 2977
In-book reference	 : Book 56, Hadith 186
USC-MSA web (English) reference	 : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 220
  (deprecated numbering scheme)&quot;

The two Sahihs, Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, are the two most sacred texts in Sunni Islam next to the Quran. 

I know, I know. the ahadith are]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend, that was my point. I know that Orthodox Judaism does not condone terrorism. Neither does Catholicism. </p>
<p>What CAIR has to hide is this.</p>
<p>&#8221; Narrated Abu Huraira:</p>
<p>Allah&#8217;s Messenger (ï·º) said, &#8220;I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and <strong>I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy),</strong> and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.&#8221; Abu Huraira added: Allah&#8217;s Messenger (ï·º) has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).</p>
<p>Reference	 : Sahih al-Bukhari 2977<br />
In-book reference	 : Book 56, Hadith 186<br />
USC-MSA web (English) reference	 : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 220<br />
  (deprecated numbering scheme)&#8221;</p>
<p>The two Sahihs, Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, are the two most sacred texts in Sunni Islam next to the Quran. </p>
<p>I know, I know. the ahadith are</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 19:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve 57:

Orthodox Judaism does not condone terrorism, it condemns it.  The very very few Jews who have felt entitled to kill Palestinians (&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baruch Goldstein&lt;/a&gt; comes to mind as the only one I can think of, offhand) was a member of a &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach_and_Kahane_Chai&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fringe political group&lt;/a&gt; that was excoriated by the leaders of Orthodox Judaism and the Israeli government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve 57:</p>
<p>Orthodox Judaism does not condone terrorism, it condemns it.  The very very few Jews who have felt entitled to kill Palestinians (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein" rel="nofollow">Baruch Goldstein</a> comes to mind as the only one I can think of, offhand) was a member of a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach_and_Kahane_Chai" rel="nofollow">fringe political group</a> that was excoriated by the leaders of Orthodox Judaism and the Israeli government.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 19:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’m no theologian. My main interest in Islam over the past 20 years has been to understand our enemies interpretation of it.&quot;

Now it&#039;s going on 30 years. I&#039;ve kept my hand in and do what I can with open source information. Because I realized after Obama was elected, nobody is defending the country against the threat anymore. It&#039;s a career killer.

We really are on our own.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m no theologian. My main interest in Islam over the past 20 years has been to understand our enemies interpretation of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s going on 30 years. I&#8217;ve kept my hand in and do what I can with open source information. Because I realized after Obama was elected, nobody is defending the country against the threat anymore. It&#8217;s a career killer.</p>
<p>We really are on our own.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 19:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Durbin mocked the notion that there are Muslim bastions around the country, on par with old Irish Catholic parishes in his home state of Illinois.&quot;

Like the idea of there being such a thing as boys and girls, Democrats continue to mock the idea of reality in general.

http://www.meforum.org/2686/muslim-enclaves-usa

And:

http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/domestic-terrorism/terrorist-training-camps-in-the-us/660940716001

&quot;The Spread of Homegrown Terrorists - Islamic training camps in America&#039;s back yard. Why are these communities left to flourish in the US? &quot;

Why? Easy. Little Dicky Durbin willfully turns a blind eye to them.

Perhaps some people will find my perspective useful. I was a naval intelligence officer for 20 years, 1988 to 2008. 10 years active, 10 years reserve (although for 3 of those reserve years I was mobilized). When I was mobilized after the original 9/11 it was to provide intelligence support to force protection. But anybody can say anything about anything on the internet. I don&#039;t know why anybody would lie about being intel, because all that will get you is a ration of sh*t from the warfighters as the supposed weak sister, but consider the following and see if it makes sense.

You can&#039;t do that unless you are allowed to know the enemy&#039;s ideology. And in this case, the enemy&#039;s ideology is Islam. Consider; AQ and ISIS, which from here I will refer to as IS for Islamic State, have on-line magazines. AQ&#039;s is &quot;Inspire.&quot; IS&#039; magazine is &quot;Dabiq.&quot; Why Dabiq? It&#039;s just one of many towns now conquered by IS.

It&#039;s supposed to be the site of the battle of the apocalypse. To know that, you have to know something about Islamic eschatology (end-times theology). IS is telling Muslims two things by naming their on-line magazine &quot;Dabiq.&quot; First, they are fulfilling prophecy, and second that they are seeking the apocalypse. 

GWB irritated the hell out of me with his talk of &quot;Islam means peace.&quot; No, salaam means peace in Arabic. Islam means submission, and a muslim is one who submits. But I&#039;ll give GWB this; I was at least allowed to know about Islam. So I could read &quot;Inspire,&quot; for instance, and crack the code. Since it was still legal to make a connection between Islam and terrorism, I could study and therefore understand the references and allusions to the Quran, hadith, and history.

This has all changed under Obama. Analysts, trainers, and consequently LEOs and national security types are not allowed to make these connections. Islam has nothing to do with terrorism, they are told. 

By whom are they told this? By Muslim Brotherhood front groups. 

I&#039;m no theologian. My main interest in Islam over the past 20 years has been to understand our enemies interpretation of it. I started out with an advantage as I took enough Islamic studies courses as an undergrad to supplement my Poli Sci major with an emphasis on Soviet Central Asia (I could use the same term papers for both courses, and spend more time on the beach) that I could have double majored with a degree in Religious Studies.

I didn&#039;t, as I figured life would be hard enough with a Poli Sci degree and I didn&#039;t need another albatross hanging from my neck.

But I digress. It was never my intention to figure out who was getting Islam right. But as you may imagine, I&#039;ve come to some conclusions over the years. Which are reinforced by the reaction of groups like CAIR. The reason they need to shut the whole discussion down is because the theology of groups like IS is in fact mainstream Islamic theology. The Sharia they derive from it is in fact mainstream Sharia. 

IS is not &quot;hijacking&quot; a religion of peace. They&#039;re getting Islam right. CAIR knows it, and therefore is shutting down any discussion of it. 

There are some Orthodox Jews, true, who think their religion entitles them to kill Palestinians. I&#039;m Catholic, as the IRA claimed to be. But when did Jews or Catholics say discussion of our religions was out of bounds? In fact, most Jews and Christians were happy to discuss our religions to show that these heretics were getting it wrong (in 1939 the Catholics threatened to excommunicate the members of the IRA).

Groups like CAIR can not permit the same discussion because IS and AQ are not heretics. They can&#039;t allow Americans to know that. And, this is important, they can&#039;t allow American Muslims to know that. They truly believe that Islam is a religion of peace, that IS or AQ or the MILF or Al-Shabab or what have you is all wrong. Thank God. And if they were told that these groups aren&#039;t all wrong they&#039;d be horrified.  So CAIR has to keep the truth from them as there would be a mass exodus of Muslims not down with the program.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Durbin mocked the notion that there are Muslim bastions around the country, on par with old Irish Catholic parishes in his home state of Illinois.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like the idea of there being such a thing as boys and girls, Democrats continue to mock the idea of reality in general.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.meforum.org/2686/muslim-enclaves-usa" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.meforum.org/2686/muslim-enclaves-usa</a></p>
<p>And:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/domestic-terrorism/terrorist-training-camps-in-the-us/660940716001" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/domestic-terrorism/terrorist-training-camps-in-the-us/660940716001</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The Spread of Homegrown Terrorists &#8211; Islamic training camps in America&#8217;s back yard. Why are these communities left to flourish in the US? &#8221;</p>
<p>Why? Easy. Little Dicky Durbin willfully turns a blind eye to them.</p>
<p>Perhaps some people will find my perspective useful. I was a naval intelligence officer for 20 years, 1988 to 2008. 10 years active, 10 years reserve (although for 3 of those reserve years I was mobilized). When I was mobilized after the original 9/11 it was to provide intelligence support to force protection. But anybody can say anything about anything on the internet. I don&#8217;t know why anybody would lie about being intel, because all that will get you is a ration of sh*t from the warfighters as the supposed weak sister, but consider the following and see if it makes sense.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t do that unless you are allowed to know the enemy&#8217;s ideology. And in this case, the enemy&#8217;s ideology is Islam. Consider; AQ and ISIS, which from here I will refer to as IS for Islamic State, have on-line magazines. AQ&#8217;s is &#8220;Inspire.&#8221; IS&#8217; magazine is &#8220;Dabiq.&#8221; Why Dabiq? It&#8217;s just one of many towns now conquered by IS.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s supposed to be the site of the battle of the apocalypse. To know that, you have to know something about Islamic eschatology (end-times theology). IS is telling Muslims two things by naming their on-line magazine &#8220;Dabiq.&#8221; First, they are fulfilling prophecy, and second that they are seeking the apocalypse. </p>
<p>GWB irritated the hell out of me with his talk of &#8220;Islam means peace.&#8221; No, salaam means peace in Arabic. Islam means submission, and a muslim is one who submits. But I&#8217;ll give GWB this; I was at least allowed to know about Islam. So I could read &#8220;Inspire,&#8221; for instance, and crack the code. Since it was still legal to make a connection between Islam and terrorism, I could study and therefore understand the references and allusions to the Quran, hadith, and history.</p>
<p>This has all changed under Obama. Analysts, trainers, and consequently LEOs and national security types are not allowed to make these connections. Islam has nothing to do with terrorism, they are told. </p>
<p>By whom are they told this? By Muslim Brotherhood front groups. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no theologian. My main interest in Islam over the past 20 years has been to understand our enemies interpretation of it. I started out with an advantage as I took enough Islamic studies courses as an undergrad to supplement my Poli Sci major with an emphasis on Soviet Central Asia (I could use the same term papers for both courses, and spend more time on the beach) that I could have double majored with a degree in Religious Studies.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t, as I figured life would be hard enough with a Poli Sci degree and I didn&#8217;t need another albatross hanging from my neck.</p>
<p>But I digress. It was never my intention to figure out who was getting Islam right. But as you may imagine, I&#8217;ve come to some conclusions over the years. Which are reinforced by the reaction of groups like CAIR. The reason they need to shut the whole discussion down is because the theology of groups like IS is in fact mainstream Islamic theology. The Sharia they derive from it is in fact mainstream Sharia. </p>
<p>IS is not &#8220;hijacking&#8221; a religion of peace. They&#8217;re getting Islam right. CAIR knows it, and therefore is shutting down any discussion of it. </p>
<p>There are some Orthodox Jews, true, who think their religion entitles them to kill Palestinians. I&#8217;m Catholic, as the IRA claimed to be. But when did Jews or Catholics say discussion of our religions was out of bounds? In fact, most Jews and Christians were happy to discuss our religions to show that these heretics were getting it wrong (in 1939 the Catholics threatened to excommunicate the members of the IRA).</p>
<p>Groups like CAIR can not permit the same discussion because IS and AQ are not heretics. They can&#8217;t allow Americans to know that. And, this is important, they can&#8217;t allow American Muslims to know that. They truly believe that Islam is a religion of peace, that IS or AQ or the MILF or Al-Shabab or what have you is all wrong. Thank God. And if they were told that these groups aren&#8217;t all wrong they&#8217;d be horrified.  So CAIR has to keep the truth from them as there would be a mass exodus of Muslims not down with the program.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;If that’s true, parker, why aren’t they stepping up and reporting the terrorists in their own midst in the countries that have opened their arms and their wallets to them?&lt;/b&gt;

They did, under Bush II&#039;s admin, when the FBi wasn&#039;t working for CAIR. Now they do, there&#039;s no reason for Muslims to report to the FBI, as they would just be reporting to CAIR.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>If that’s true, parker, why aren’t they stepping up and reporting the terrorists in their own midst in the countries that have opened their arms and their wallets to them?</b></p>
<p>They did, under Bush II&#8217;s admin, when the FBi wasn&#8217;t working for CAIR. Now they do, there&#8217;s no reason for Muslims to report to the FBI, as they would just be reporting to CAIR.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Harry REID ... Geez. You see it as it goes out and there is nothing you can do.]]></description>
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