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		By: babs albonico		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Her beauty is almost too regular, but she was so luminous you couldn&#039;t look away. She actually looks like elsa lanchester in nose, eyes, mouth and eyes in lanchester&#039;s thinner times, young and now that deneuve is old also. I couldn&#039;t believe the resemblance when I saw it, especially the turn of the nose and eye shape. deneuve is rather an average pleasant looking woman now, even with surgery, not very gorgeous like raquel welch with her surgery. I think its due to catherines heavy smoking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her beauty is almost too regular, but she was so luminous you couldn&#8217;t look away. She actually looks like elsa lanchester in nose, eyes, mouth and eyes in lanchester&#8217;s thinner times, young and now that deneuve is old also. I couldn&#8217;t believe the resemblance when I saw it, especially the turn of the nose and eye shape. deneuve is rather an average pleasant looking woman now, even with surgery, not very gorgeous like raquel welch with her surgery. I think its due to catherines heavy smoking.</p>
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		By: Louis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, she does look like a statue, but Deneuve is actually beautiful. Try not to gasp watching her in &#039;les parapluies de Cherbourg&quot;. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ObVG9o2xWI
Plus she&#039;s actually a very talented actress (unlike Grace Kelly who did not really care fore her art) and has done numerous movies both popular and artistically challenging.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, she does look like a statue, but Deneuve is actually beautiful. Try not to gasp watching her in &#8216;les parapluies de Cherbourg&#8221;. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ObVG9o2xWI" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ObVG9o2xWI</a><br />
Plus she&#8217;s actually a very talented actress (unlike Grace Kelly who did not really care fore her art) and has done numerous movies both popular and artistically challenging.</p>
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		By: Molly Brown		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 03:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To me, Catherine Deneuve seemed to be a pale imitation of Grace Kelly - just like Kevin Costner is a pale imitation of my husband!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, Catherine Deneuve seemed to be a pale imitation of Grace Kelly &#8211; just like Kevin Costner is a pale imitation of my husband!</p>
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		By: Chuck Heiser		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 02:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reading the comments I&#039;m reminded of something I learned when I was stationed in Japan. In Japanese aesthetics there is a concept called wabi, or more properly wabe-sabi. Wabi is derived from Buddhist ideas of transience and impermanence. In practice the aesthetic holds that a small flaw enhances the beauty of an object. For example a porcelain cup with a hairline crack is preferable to a perfect cup. With this in mind I noticed that many Japanese models had a notcible flaw that would be unacceptable in the west. Things like a crooked tooth or having one eye slightly larger than the other were common. Believe me these were very attractive women and their flaws, to my eye, made them seem more real.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the comments I&#8217;m reminded of something I learned when I was stationed in Japan. In Japanese aesthetics there is a concept called wabi, or more properly wabe-sabi. Wabi is derived from Buddhist ideas of transience and impermanence. In practice the aesthetic holds that a small flaw enhances the beauty of an object. For example a porcelain cup with a hairline crack is preferable to a perfect cup. With this in mind I noticed that many Japanese models had a notcible flaw that would be unacceptable in the west. Things like a crooked tooth or having one eye slightly larger than the other were common. Believe me these were very attractive women and their flaws, to my eye, made them seem more real.</p>
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		By: miklos000rosza		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, you mention the difference in the maturity of the top models, how this has regressed. Simply put, the ideal beauty was once a woman. Now she is a girl. 

I saw something recently about 13 year old who was being gushed over as &quot;already a star.&quot; The name didn&#039;t stick.

I once looked up the top fashion models of each decade, 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s up to Kate Moss. Educational. Almost all the names were unknown to me. None of them -- until the 60s -- looked to be younger than 25 or maybe 27. 

But of the 60s brought the miniskirt and the bikini, both of which best suit many females from maybe 16 or 17 to maybe 24. These two fashions also served as a tremendous disincentive to &quot;ruin&quot; your figure by having a child.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, you mention the difference in the maturity of the top models, how this has regressed. Simply put, the ideal beauty was once a woman. Now she is a girl. </p>
<p>I saw something recently about 13 year old who was being gushed over as &#8220;already a star.&#8221; The name didn&#8217;t stick.</p>
<p>I once looked up the top fashion models of each decade, 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s up to Kate Moss. Educational. Almost all the names were unknown to me. None of them &#8212; until the 60s &#8212; looked to be younger than 25 or maybe 27. </p>
<p>But of the 60s brought the miniskirt and the bikini, both of which best suit many females from maybe 16 or 17 to maybe 24. These two fashions also served as a tremendous disincentive to &#8220;ruin&#8221; your figure by having a child.</p>
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		By: miklos000rosza		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And just as a side-note, but if anyone is interested, there are female Chinese supermodels who are really amazing. Yet Vogue USA has never featured an Asian model on their cover, whereas they&#039;re not uncommonly seen on covers of Vogue Italia or Vogue Australia (and Vogue China will sometimes feature Caucasian blondes).

Chinese models I particularly like include Tian Yi, Fei Fei Sun, and Xiao Wen Ju. (The top moneymaker is Liu Wen, who may be more classic but strikes me as bland.) Xiao may get more US attention as she is now the face of Babyghost, the new clothing line that somewhat caters to gothy teenage girls and young women and is quite hot right now. Xiao is lively and looks intelligent and fun. (Babyghost&#039;s white models mostly look anorexic and 15. Xiao is a much better choice.) 

One thing about these Chinese models is: they&#039;re all at least 5&#039;10.&quot; Which must make them stand out in a crowd. The female models that I knew well, from Montreal, the UK and France, all felt unlovely and gawky as adolescents because of their height. (In the US there&#039;s so much more emphasis on sport that I imagine tall girls can now more easily fit in.) 

Another fun fact: 55% of all female runway models are from Russia or Ukraine. This parallels the export of &quot;Natashas&quot; who end up as strippers and prostitutes and in porn, &quot;owned&quot; by organized crime. Tall blondes with cheekbones. Eastern Europe as the white third world.

Hmm. I haven&#039;t touched on transgender models, though some are rather awe-inspiring in their way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just as a side-note, but if anyone is interested, there are female Chinese supermodels who are really amazing. Yet Vogue USA has never featured an Asian model on their cover, whereas they&#8217;re not uncommonly seen on covers of Vogue Italia or Vogue Australia (and Vogue China will sometimes feature Caucasian blondes).</p>
<p>Chinese models I particularly like include Tian Yi, Fei Fei Sun, and Xiao Wen Ju. (The top moneymaker is Liu Wen, who may be more classic but strikes me as bland.) Xiao may get more US attention as she is now the face of Babyghost, the new clothing line that somewhat caters to gothy teenage girls and young women and is quite hot right now. Xiao is lively and looks intelligent and fun. (Babyghost&#8217;s white models mostly look anorexic and 15. Xiao is a much better choice.) </p>
<p>One thing about these Chinese models is: they&#8217;re all at least 5&#8217;10.&#8221; Which must make them stand out in a crowd. The female models that I knew well, from Montreal, the UK and France, all felt unlovely and gawky as adolescents because of their height. (In the US there&#8217;s so much more emphasis on sport that I imagine tall girls can now more easily fit in.) </p>
<p>Another fun fact: 55% of all female runway models are from Russia or Ukraine. This parallels the export of &#8220;Natashas&#8221; who end up as strippers and prostitutes and in porn, &#8220;owned&#8221; by organized crime. Tall blondes with cheekbones. Eastern Europe as the white third world.</p>
<p>Hmm. I haven&#8217;t touched on transgender models, though some are rather awe-inspiring in their way.</p>
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		By: Sarah Rolph		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2016 21:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that Deneuve is un-nerving in just the ways neo, linda, and nick have said. I never liked her looks but I thought it was just because she doesn&#039;t seem intelligent; the symmetry point makes a lot of sense too. 

I&#039;m quite willing to reserve the word beautiful for the truly beautiful -- those who have it all: animated, interesting faces, great bones, lovely features, and just the right amount of symmetry. 

Deneuve I would call pretty. Doesn&#039;t the word &#039;pretty&#039; have, at least sometimes, a connotation of not-all-the-way-to-beautiful? (I&#039;m sure we could come up with a whole spectrum of adjectives about this (perhaps they are found at nick&#039;s aforementioned facebook post!). Some people are very attractive even though they aren&#039;t really pretty or handsome. Etc. )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Deneuve is un-nerving in just the ways neo, linda, and nick have said. I never liked her looks but I thought it was just because she doesn&#8217;t seem intelligent; the symmetry point makes a lot of sense too. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite willing to reserve the word beautiful for the truly beautiful &#8212; those who have it all: animated, interesting faces, great bones, lovely features, and just the right amount of symmetry. </p>
<p>Deneuve I would call pretty. Doesn&#8217;t the word &#8216;pretty&#8217; have, at least sometimes, a connotation of not-all-the-way-to-beautiful? (I&#8217;m sure we could come up with a whole spectrum of adjectives about this (perhaps they are found at nick&#8217;s aforementioned facebook post!). Some people are very attractive even though they aren&#8217;t really pretty or handsome. Etc. )</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2016 17:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[miklos:

Don&#039;t worry about the typos.

I looked up Gabriella Wilde, who I&#039;d never heard of before, and she does have a blank and even face.  But her face (unlike Deneuve&#039;s) is also a baby-face.  She has that wide, very childlike look, which also represents a sort of trend.  If you look at photos of models from the 30s, 40s, 50s, they looked like grown women and had mature (not wrinkled, just mature!) women&#039;s faces.  In more recent years (starting with Twiggy, I believe, but much more common in the last 2 decades or so) the models look (and often are) very very young and immature, almost pre-pubescent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miklos:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about the typos.</p>
<p>I looked up Gabriella Wilde, who I&#8217;d never heard of before, and she does have a blank and even face.  But her face (unlike Deneuve&#8217;s) is also a baby-face.  She has that wide, very childlike look, which also represents a sort of trend.  If you look at photos of models from the 30s, 40s, 50s, they looked like grown women and had mature (not wrinkled, just mature!) women&#8217;s faces.  In more recent years (starting with Twiggy, I believe, but much more common in the last 2 decades or so) the models look (and often are) very very young and immature, almost pre-pubescent.</p>
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		By: miklos000rosza		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2016 17:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daid Gandy = 2nd-higest earning MALE supermodel. The males make much less than the females.

*I apologize for my typos. MS means I can only type with one hand, and imperfectly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daid Gandy = 2nd-higest earning MALE supermodel. The males make much less than the females.</p>
<p>*I apologize for my typos. MS means I can only type with one hand, and imperfectly.</p>
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		By: miklos000rosza		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2016 17:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is actually a matter I&#039;ve given a fair amount of recent thought. In fact, I made a number of posts about beauty on Facebook, so I don&#039;t really have the energy to go into great depth here. 

I&#039;ve had several good friends who were (or are) models, at a high level, so I&#039;ve ben contact with male and female beauty and had thoughts on each for twenty years or so. 

In regards to Deneuve, I think your perception is correct. It might be noted that she never became much of a movie star. Because what could se express? Her princess-like looks made the roles she could play quite limited. One might contrast her with Grace Kelly, considered to be a perfect exemplar of elegant beauty -- but who also had that voice, and the wit and intelligence she could convey. Likewise, on the male side, think of Cary Grant. &quot;Too beautiful to live,&quot; as James Ellroy once said to me of some Hollywood star, but Grant&#039;s voice was so expressive that the personality and intelligence he could express instantly rendered him interesting. Sure, a member of a kind of natural aristocracy, but anything but a doll with a wooden head. 

It will be interesting to see what happens with Gabriella Wilde, chosen as the new face for L&#039;Oréal, another perfect blonde -- who in the L&#039;Oréal ads is so perfect she seems blank, unmemorable, anonymous. 

In other ads, such as for Burberry, they try to make her a little slutty, sulky, maybe a girl with &quot;problems.&quot; She looks much sexier as a result.

So far she&#039;s only appeared in &quot;safe&quot; movie roles, in remakes of Endless Love and Carrie (and some other title which slips my mind). I haven&#039;t seen any of these films, so I don&#039;t have an opinion on what be possible for her in films.

Too bad I cannot illustrate things here with images. 

It&#039;s interesting, however, just as an aside, that David Gandy is the second highest earning supermodel the last two years, and he&#039;s anything but a pretty boy. Dolce &#038; Gabbana use him frequently. He&#039;s in his 30s and looks like a badass. I actually thought about buying his cologne, as an homage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually a matter I&#8217;ve given a fair amount of recent thought. In fact, I made a number of posts about beauty on Facebook, so I don&#8217;t really have the energy to go into great depth here. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had several good friends who were (or are) models, at a high level, so I&#8217;ve ben contact with male and female beauty and had thoughts on each for twenty years or so. </p>
<p>In regards to Deneuve, I think your perception is correct. It might be noted that she never became much of a movie star. Because what could se express? Her princess-like looks made the roles she could play quite limited. One might contrast her with Grace Kelly, considered to be a perfect exemplar of elegant beauty &#8212; but who also had that voice, and the wit and intelligence she could convey. Likewise, on the male side, think of Cary Grant. &#8220;Too beautiful to live,&#8221; as James Ellroy once said to me of some Hollywood star, but Grant&#8217;s voice was so expressive that the personality and intelligence he could express instantly rendered him interesting. Sure, a member of a kind of natural aristocracy, but anything but a doll with a wooden head. </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what happens with Gabriella Wilde, chosen as the new face for L&#8217;Oréal, another perfect blonde &#8212; who in the L&#8217;Oréal ads is so perfect she seems blank, unmemorable, anonymous. </p>
<p>In other ads, such as for Burberry, they try to make her a little slutty, sulky, maybe a girl with &#8220;problems.&#8221; She looks much sexier as a result.</p>
<p>So far she&#8217;s only appeared in &#8220;safe&#8221; movie roles, in remakes of Endless Love and Carrie (and some other title which slips my mind). I haven&#8217;t seen any of these films, so I don&#8217;t have an opinion on what be possible for her in films.</p>
<p>Too bad I cannot illustrate things here with images. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting, however, just as an aside, that David Gandy is the second highest earning supermodel the last two years, and he&#8217;s anything but a pretty boy. Dolce &amp; Gabbana use him frequently. He&#8217;s in his 30s and looks like a badass. I actually thought about buying his cologne, as an homage.</p>
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