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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/18/red-flags-protection-vs-liberty/#comment-1282957</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2016 12:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GB - will be out of pocket for better part of two weeks.

Also, looks like I messed up by posting to wrong tab / article.  Apologies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB &#8211; will be out of pocket for better part of two weeks.</p>
<p>Also, looks like I messed up by posting to wrong tab / article.  Apologies.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/18/red-flags-protection-vs-liberty/#comment-1282940</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2016 12:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No-fly list.  No-buy guns list.  Involuntary treatment protocols.  Connecting them is a good idea, or a bad idea, depending on a couple of things.  Most important is do you trust the government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No-fly list.  No-buy guns list.  Involuntary treatment protocols.  Connecting them is a good idea, or a bad idea, depending on a couple of things.  Most important is do you trust the government.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/18/red-flags-protection-vs-liberty/#comment-1280246</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big Maq, 

Just stopped by briefly to see any responses. I can easily cite evidence in support of my claims and will do so tommorrow. It being father&#039;s day, I have other priorities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Maq, </p>
<p>Just stopped by briefly to see any responses. I can easily cite evidence in support of my claims and will do so tommorrow. It being father&#8217;s day, I have other priorities.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/18/red-flags-protection-vs-liberty/#comment-1279821</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FOAF:

The de-institutionalization push also came with a promise to replace larger institutions with more halfway houses and smaller venues.  A kinder, gentler mental health system. For the most part, that fell by the wayside.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOAF:</p>
<p>The de-institutionalization push also came with a promise to replace larger institutions with more halfway houses and smaller venues.  A kinder, gentler mental health system. For the most part, that fell by the wayside.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/18/red-flags-protection-vs-liberty/#comment-1279801</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My comment overlapped neo&#039;s link, yes that is exactly what I am talking about.  I agree with Coulter that the push to close the institutions came mostly from the left but the right did not resist too much because 1) libertarianism and 2) gov&#039;t spending.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment overlapped neo&#8217;s link, yes that is exactly what I am talking about.  I agree with Coulter that the push to close the institutions came mostly from the left but the right did not resist too much because 1) libertarianism and 2) gov&#8217;t spending.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/18/red-flags-protection-vs-liberty/#comment-1279771</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey:

This is mostly OT from the this thread, but what you are describing as your friend&#039;s &quot;solution&quot; sounds like what we used to have - state-run mental hospitals where many people were warehoused without a lot of due process.  This was attacked from both the left and right for different reasons and has been greatly diminished.  But it did cover up a lot of societal problems.  A discussion for another thread, I think.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey:</p>
<p>This is mostly OT from the this thread, but what you are describing as your friend&#8217;s &#8220;solution&#8221; sounds like what we used to have &#8211; state-run mental hospitals where many people were warehoused without a lot of due process.  This was attacked from both the left and right for different reasons and has been greatly diminished.  But it did cover up a lot of societal problems.  A discussion for another thread, I think.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/18/red-flags-protection-vs-liberty/#comment-1279752</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey:

See &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2012/08/02/james-holmes-psychiatrist-and-the-duty-to-warn/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; and also &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2013/09/25/was-deinstitutionalization-of-the-mentally-ill-a-liberal-cause/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey:</p>
<p>See <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2012/08/02/james-holmes-psychiatrist-and-the-duty-to-warn/" rel="nofollow">this</a> and also <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2013/09/25/was-deinstitutionalization-of-the-mentally-ill-a-liberal-cause/" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/18/red-flags-protection-vs-liberty/#comment-1279692</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But, hey, America has it right on gun control and pretty much every other country in the world is obviously wrong.

That is correct. In the late great USSR gun ownership was prohibited but they had an overall murder rate twice the US rate. Some of the republics had murder rates like Chicago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, hey, America has it right on gun control and pretty much every other country in the world is obviously wrong.</p>
<p>That is correct. In the late great USSR gun ownership was prohibited but they had an overall murder rate twice the US rate. Some of the republics had murder rates like Chicago.</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/18/red-flags-protection-vs-liberty/#comment-1279114</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All good points Neo.  And it IS worth remembering how the Soviets used their &quot;mental health system&quot; to go after political dissenters.

We&#039;ve already seen how the bureaucrats that are only suppose to be concerned with collecting taxes have been used to stifle political dissent in the USA; do we really want to see doctors and other healthcare professionals do the same?

Do we want to see the US healthcare system (Obamacare aside for a minute) become a political arm of the US government?

Just how concerned will your doctors be about your health if they are also looking over their shoulder to see if they should be doing more than just treating you illness?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points Neo.  And it IS worth remembering how the Soviets used their &#8220;mental health system&#8221; to go after political dissenters.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve already seen how the bureaucrats that are only suppose to be concerned with collecting taxes have been used to stifle political dissent in the USA; do we really want to see doctors and other healthcare professionals do the same?</p>
<p>Do we want to see the US healthcare system (Obamacare aside for a minute) become a political arm of the US government?</p>
<p>Just how concerned will your doctors be about your health if they are also looking over their shoulder to see if they should be doing more than just treating you illness?</p>
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		By: Conrad O'Connor		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/06/18/red-flags-protection-vs-liberty/#comment-1278960</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Conrad O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The best strategy for tackling this admittedly difficult problem is a combination of (1) reducing Muslim immigration to reduce the number of potential terrorists; (2) permanent electronic surveillance of suspected terrorists; (3) professional sanctions for investigators who miss these red flags; and (4) frequent FBI stings where the targets are approached in person or online by agents acting as ISIS recruiters.  This last one may get close to entrapment but is the best way to separate the talkers from the doers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best strategy for tackling this admittedly difficult problem is a combination of (1) reducing Muslim immigration to reduce the number of potential terrorists; (2) permanent electronic surveillance of suspected terrorists; (3) professional sanctions for investigators who miss these red flags; and (4) frequent FBI stings where the targets are approached in person or online by agents acting as ISIS recruiters.  This last one may get close to entrapment but is the best way to separate the talkers from the doers.</p>
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