Comments on: “Unexplained” rise in city crimes

By: GRA

GRA — Sat, 11 Jun 2016 02:10:43 +0000

@ parker: You didn’t comprehend my post fully. What Richard and Chris said.

@ Chris: How does you daughter ‘survive’ in a very liberal, PC field?

By: Foxfier

Foxfier — Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:26:14 +0000

Figuring out which Mexican cartels are in an area might be useful, too– the cartels in Washington and Colorado are having a big spike in funds right now, I know my husbands’ command had a Safety Stand-down about some of their tactics. I’d be shocked if there isn’t some turf war stuff going on.
A proxy for “tone” might be found in how a city deals with “Homeless Camps”– Seattle’s Jungle, for example, is effectively officially supported, as is the habit of people buying junker RVs and parking them in neighborhoods, then living there. (Which only made the news because of the spike in crimes.)

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:32:34 +0000

parker- I’m pretty sure GRA was agreeing, just pointing out the standard liberal orthodoxy from his sociology texts. But I could be wrong.

Not all social workers are liberals. My daughter has her MSW and she’s pretty conservative.

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:50:43 +0000

parker.
Go easy on GRA. There’s no telling what he said. He might have been agreeing. The part about Valjean does reflect much of what I’ve heard from liberals over the decades.

By: parker

parker — Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:58:26 +0000

GRA,

We were rural poor, but we were rich in elbow grease. Mom and dad instilled a will to work hard and prosper. Now, we are solidly upper middle class in my generation. BTW, you forgot to play the white privilege card and strum upon the evils of the hetero normalcy banjo. Do da, do da, old times are not forgotten.

By: GRA

GRA — Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:29:04 +0000

As you know I’m currently a candidate for an MSW. One of the strong possibilities, no, reasons explained in my text was that low-income crime happens because of poverty which is an ailment caused by institutionalized racism, i.e. Jim Crow laws, racist hiring practices, discriminatory housing practices, and “internalized oppression.” Basically the author thinks every other criminal from low-income backgrounds is a Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread.

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 10 Jun 2016 01:33:43 +0000

I agree with Geoffrey Brittain, y81, but especially Richard Aubrey:

“The administrative risks one took, and the envelope-pushing necessary to complete the mission varied according to the perceived loyalty down.

If street cops figure they’ll be human sacrifices to keep trouble from going higher up the chain, they’ll be cautious.”

As a veteran and a former cop my experience has been that cops and soldiers tend to be courageous, committed to their missions, and are willing to take risks as long as they believe that their superiors respect them and have the courage to back them up when things go wrong.

On the other hand, as soon as they perceive that they will be thrown under the bus by their superiors as soon as things go south, they will back off and do the minimum required.

Data can certainly be fudged as parker suggests, and that may have a lot to do with it as well.

By: parker

parker — Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:28:49 +0000

1. Playing with crime data. 2. Playing with employment and GDP data. 3. The left’s pretend victim class identity politics. 4. The left’s desire to attack the concept of the rule of law until they gain supreme power and then the rule of their ‘law’ will be obeyed by the creation of reeducation camps, gulags, and ovens. I must be reading too many GB posts. 😉

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Thu, 09 Jun 2016 19:13:43 +0000

Well, certainly, reporting can be fudged. See the VA.
But there’s the atmosphere. For example, when I reported to my first duty station after graduating OCS, my captain said, of the brigade commander, “He’ll back you up.”
There were units where that would not be said.
The administrative risks one took, and the envelope-pushing necessary to complete the mission varied according to the perceived loyalty down.
If street cops figure they’ll be human sacrifices to keep trouble from going higher up the chain, they’ll be cautious.

By: Big Maq

Big Maq — Thu, 09 Jun 2016 17:50:29 +0000

In support of how crimes are reported, need only look at crime “heat maps” (e.g. from Trulia).

Even in a metro area with a variety of police departments, looking at such maps, one would think that next door cities in the burbs have radically different populations living in them, yet they may overlap on several key demographics.

Likely a function of how crimes are reported and categorized.