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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/31/language-has-become-so-imprecise-that/#comment-1212160</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[AVI

STOP is such an important function -- danger // alert -- that it has to be everyone&#039;s favorite as primal.

It&#039;s SO important that we incorporate it into machine logic, digital logic and signals logic.

{ ie kill switches -- every moving assembly line has to have them.

{ Every military op has a &#039;beat retreat&#039; // return to base // run like hell signal.

{ All which are subsets of &quot;No&quot; and &quot;Oh, no....! &quot;

{ The primacy of the emergency &quot;No&quot; is so great that it is still invoked within Hollywood plots.

{eg: Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

That &quot;no&quot; has so many &#039;subtended&#039; meanings -- extensions -- modifiers -- is yet another &#039;tell&#039; that it&#039;s hyper-ancient.

It&#039;s even made its way to Boolean logic -- the logical Not ~ &quot;no.&quot;

In all these instances, &quot;no&quot; functions as a fundamental &#039;quark&#039; of speech.

That &quot;no&quot; had a decisive impact on human events -- from the crib to the hunting party -- scarcely needs emphasis.

It&#039;s a life-or-death utterance.

ALL other words carry LESS import.

One might also note: gals STILL love to say &quot;no.&quot;

And suitors are STILL, like Sisyphus, rolling their pitch up hill to her decision point. 

This saga is even replayed in pr0n scripts -- with a fair amount of wit -- as the decision point was long passed when the cameras started rolling. 

Assent, female co-operation, has always been front and center.

Meaning that &quot;no&quot; has a direct impact on the propagation of our DNA.

&quot;Mama&quot; and &quot;Dada&quot; can&#039;t come close; BTW, the former is far more ancient than the latter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVI</p>
<p>STOP is such an important function &#8212; danger // alert &#8212; that it has to be everyone&#8217;s favorite as primal.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s SO important that we incorporate it into machine logic, digital logic and signals logic.</p>
<p>{ ie kill switches &#8212; every moving assembly line has to have them.</p>
<p>{ Every military op has a &#8216;beat retreat&#8217; // return to base // run like hell signal.</p>
<p>{ All which are subsets of &#8220;No&#8221; and &#8220;Oh, no&#8230;.! &#8221;</p>
<p>{ The primacy of the emergency &#8220;No&#8221; is so great that it is still invoked within Hollywood plots.</p>
<p>{eg: Star Trek: The Motion Picture.</p>
<p>That &#8220;no&#8221; has so many &#8216;subtended&#8217; meanings &#8212; extensions &#8212; modifiers &#8212; is yet another &#8216;tell&#8217; that it&#8217;s hyper-ancient.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s even made its way to Boolean logic &#8212; the logical Not ~ &#8220;no.&#8221;</p>
<p>In all these instances, &#8220;no&#8221; functions as a fundamental &#8216;quark&#8217; of speech.</p>
<p>That &#8220;no&#8221; had a decisive impact on human events &#8212; from the crib to the hunting party &#8212; scarcely needs emphasis.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a life-or-death utterance.</p>
<p>ALL other words carry LESS import.</p>
<p>One might also note: gals STILL love to say &#8220;no.&#8221;</p>
<p>And suitors are STILL, like Sisyphus, rolling their pitch up hill to her decision point. </p>
<p>This saga is even replayed in pr0n scripts &#8212; with a fair amount of wit &#8212; as the decision point was long passed when the cameras started rolling. </p>
<p>Assent, female co-operation, has always been front and center.</p>
<p>Meaning that &#8220;no&#8221; has a direct impact on the propagation of our DNA.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mama&#8221; and &#8220;Dada&#8221; can&#8217;t come close; BTW, the former is far more ancient than the latter.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 17:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot Says:
June 1st, 2016 at 9:23 am 

Thanks for the tip.]]></description>
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June 1st, 2016 at 9:23 am </p>
<p>Thanks for the tip.</p>
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		By: Roy Lofquist		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;You’re probably not thinking about the well-being of your vagina,&quot;

But I&#039;ll bet that creep in 4B is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You’re probably not thinking about the well-being of your vagina,&#8221;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll bet that creep in 4B is.</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/31/language-has-become-so-imprecise-that/#comment-1211686</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain - we usually agree, but in this you are not correct.  I&#039;m not sure what you mean with the analogy of evolution and de-evolution for precision of language and culture, as language changes and cultural changes don&#039;t have mechanisms at all similar to biological evolution, and &quot;de-evolution&quot; is an artificial construction left over from the idea that evolution is somehow always improvement.

Just to be precise. 

Next time don&#039;t call me a liar or in willful denial, okay?  I might misunderstand and think you were being insulting.

Western culture is certainly changing, in many ways I don&#039;t like.  It is not becoming less precise or thinking more clouded, or anything like that, however. We like to believe that in the good old days people knew what logic was and thinking was more rigorous, but that is entirely due to selection bias.  The best thinkers remain in play, but they were not representative of their age.  People were not smarter in 1916 or 1816.  They were less literate, less numerate, less informed - if you read the primary source material of even the educated - diaries, letters, public records - it will jump out at you. Schools were worse.

Blert - Gell-Mann is only a side player in the Santa Fe Institute&#039;s linguistics branch.  He was concerned with developing an institute that crossed academic boundaries.  He is speculating on the basis of the research of the highly-controversial linguists there (pals of his, certainly), such as Merritt Ruhlen and the late Sergei Starotsin. Those are the lads you want to read up on. Morris Swadesh, too. Ruhlen&#039;s list of oldest words still discernible from the proposed Proto-Human language does not have vulva/vagina in first place, but tenth (penis is 14th, I recall). To be fair about that, the ranking is more a measure of confidence than of age. As for some negation being the first word, that is plausible, but extremely speculative. Mama and Dada remain more likely. But pick up Ruhlen&#039;s 1994 book on the subject from the library: &lt;i&gt;The Origin of Language&lt;/i&gt;. Quite excellent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain &#8211; we usually agree, but in this you are not correct.  I&#8217;m not sure what you mean with the analogy of evolution and de-evolution for precision of language and culture, as language changes and cultural changes don&#8217;t have mechanisms at all similar to biological evolution, and &#8220;de-evolution&#8221; is an artificial construction left over from the idea that evolution is somehow always improvement.</p>
<p>Just to be precise. </p>
<p>Next time don&#8217;t call me a liar or in willful denial, okay?  I might misunderstand and think you were being insulting.</p>
<p>Western culture is certainly changing, in many ways I don&#8217;t like.  It is not becoming less precise or thinking more clouded, or anything like that, however. We like to believe that in the good old days people knew what logic was and thinking was more rigorous, but that is entirely due to selection bias.  The best thinkers remain in play, but they were not representative of their age.  People were not smarter in 1916 or 1816.  They were less literate, less numerate, less informed &#8211; if you read the primary source material of even the educated &#8211; diaries, letters, public records &#8211; it will jump out at you. Schools were worse.</p>
<p>Blert &#8211; Gell-Mann is only a side player in the Santa Fe Institute&#8217;s linguistics branch.  He was concerned with developing an institute that crossed academic boundaries.  He is speculating on the basis of the research of the highly-controversial linguists there (pals of his, certainly), such as Merritt Ruhlen and the late Sergei Starotsin. Those are the lads you want to read up on. Morris Swadesh, too. Ruhlen&#8217;s list of oldest words still discernible from the proposed Proto-Human language does not have vulva/vagina in first place, but tenth (penis is 14th, I recall). To be fair about that, the ranking is more a measure of confidence than of age. As for some negation being the first word, that is plausible, but extremely speculative. Mama and Dada remain more likely. But pick up Ruhlen&#8217;s 1994 book on the subject from the library: <i>The Origin of Language</i>. Quite excellent.</p>
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		By: Sri		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 08:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let Leave the language term aside, as the Article made by a a professional medical specialist, I think that very bad, as he/she who should knew the difference between two words, however he also new the original name for all human body parts.

So now we have people lazy in using the language and right terms even though there are professionals which make me wonder about the level of their professional service.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let Leave the language term aside, as the Article made by a a professional medical specialist, I think that very bad, as he/she who should knew the difference between two words, however he also new the original name for all human body parts.</p>
<p>So now we have people lazy in using the language and right terms even though there are professionals which make me wonder about the level of their professional service.</p>
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		By: Caedmon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 07:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes I&#039;ve noticed this confusion.

Vagina is a Latin word and it means sheath. Strange that the part of the &quot;kit and kaboodle&quot; that is there to receive the penis, has become the politically correct word.

I sometimes wonder if it might not be a bad idea for universities to appoint a body of faculty to encourage young women and perhaps some young men to address how society views women. We could call it the department of Women&#039;s Studies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I&#8217;ve noticed this confusion.</p>
<p>Vagina is a Latin word and it means sheath. Strange that the part of the &#8220;kit and kaboodle&#8221; that is there to receive the penis, has become the politically correct word.</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder if it might not be a bad idea for universities to appoint a body of faculty to encourage young women and perhaps some young men to address how society views women. We could call it the department of Women&#8217;s Studies.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ignorance of human anatomy is just another reason to void franchise to vote for at least to vote for 2 decades.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorance of human anatomy is just another reason to void franchise to vote for at least to vote for 2 decades.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[If memory serves, &#039;vagina&quot; is Latin for &quot;sheath&quot;, as for a sword.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If memory serves, &#8216;vagina&#8221; is Latin for &#8220;sheath&#8221;, as for a sword.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Poor Kathy. 
 I will never forget in 9th grade when it was my turn read aloud, and  I was apparently the only one in the room who did not know the correct pronunciation of the word &quot;teat&quot;.  Some little Ass had to correct me verbally, of course.

You can take the boy from the wrong side of the track, but it takes a long time to take the wrong side out of the boy.  (I spent the war years on the other side because Dad was gone, and Mother had to make do.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Kathy.<br />
 I will never forget in 9th grade when it was my turn read aloud, and  I was apparently the only one in the room who did not know the correct pronunciation of the word &#8220;teat&#8221;.  Some little Ass had to correct me verbally, of course.</p>
<p>You can take the boy from the wrong side of the track, but it takes a long time to take the wrong side out of the boy.  (I spent the war years on the other side because Dad was gone, and Mother had to make do.)</p>
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		By: Waidmann		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[London Trader - True enough.  The joke was that Kathy didn&#039;t know either usage of that word.  She thought she had made it up.  She would have been fine had she stuck to twit, and nobody would have blinked.  In fact, we all would have agreed.  But Kathy is a good girl, and you pretty much have to know her to know how totally out of character was the word she actually said.  That&#039;s what made it funny to us and embarrassing to her.  

Waidmann]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>London Trader &#8211; True enough.  The joke was that Kathy didn&#8217;t know either usage of that word.  She thought she had made it up.  She would have been fine had she stuck to twit, and nobody would have blinked.  In fact, we all would have agreed.  But Kathy is a good girl, and you pretty much have to know her to know how totally out of character was the word she actually said.  That&#8217;s what made it funny to us and embarrassing to her.  </p>
<p>Waidmann</p>
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