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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/24/bill-and-donald-with-friends-like-these/#comment-1195043</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_SE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2016 06:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I started calling Trumpkins &quot;cynical burnouts&quot; months ago, this is what I meant. They have lost faith in most ideals or principles, and when that happens wholesale you get nihilism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I started calling Trumpkins &#8220;cynical burnouts&#8221; months ago, this is what I meant. They have lost faith in most ideals or principles, and when that happens wholesale you get nihilism.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/24/bill-and-donald-with-friends-like-these/#comment-1193818</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 18:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

By the way, that&#039;s what &quot;or what passes for friends&quot; refers to.  It doesn&#039;t mean bona fide friends.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p>By the way, that&#8217;s what &#8220;or what passes for friends&#8221; refers to.  It doesn&#8217;t mean bona fide friends.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/24/bill-and-donald-with-friends-like-these/#comment-1193807</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 17:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ok, one more fun one
Alfred Stern was a communist... 

well, how about this? 

&lt;b&gt;Martha Dodd&lt;/b&gt; (dont know if she is related to Bella Dodd, who was head of the communist party and the teachers union). 

an American journalist and novelist. The daughter of William Edward Dodd, US President Franklin Delano Roosevelt&#039;s first Ambassador to Germany, Dodd lived in Berlin from 1933—37 and was a witness to the rise of the Third Reich. She became involved in left-wing politics after she purportedly witnessed first-hand the violence of the Nazi state. &lt;b&gt;With her second husband Alfred Stern Jr. she engaged in espionage for the Soviet Union from before World War II until the height of the Cold War.&lt;/b&gt;

tons more at wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Dodd]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, one more fun one<br />
Alfred Stern was a communist&#8230; </p>
<p>well, how about this? </p>
<p><b>Martha Dodd</b> (dont know if she is related to Bella Dodd, who was head of the communist party and the teachers union). </p>
<p>an American journalist and novelist. The daughter of William Edward Dodd, US President Franklin Delano Roosevelt&#8217;s first Ambassador to Germany, Dodd lived in Berlin from 1933—37 and was a witness to the rise of the Third Reich. She became involved in left-wing politics after she purportedly witnessed first-hand the violence of the Nazi state. <b>With her second husband Alfred Stern Jr. she engaged in espionage for the Soviet Union from before World War II until the height of the Cold War.</b></p>
<p>tons more at wiki<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Dodd" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Dodd</a></p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/24/bill-and-donald-with-friends-like-these/#comment-1193798</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 17:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i told you i dated a social register deb and i learned a lot from that

While trump flaunts to show he has what they have

They dont flaunt it at all, they flaunt their associations and keep their wealth hidden and away from public scrutiny... 

the Clintons made 21 million in two years.. 
where is the Clinton mansions? the cars? the other stuff? 

of course the unwashed masses of poorer people have no idea of the games and bs of this area, because they dont want to!!!!!!!  to them its all the same, when its not to those in the game!

Trumps pedigree goes back to a poor immigrant barber late last century

The Rodhams and the Clintons go back way farther than that!!!
you can tell because you can trace her lineage back more than 8 generations to Navarre family of Detroit Michigan
 
Robert Navarre was born in Detroit in 1739. His father, Robert Navarre, was originally from Villeroy, France, but came to Fort Ponchartrain du Detroit in 1730 (1739?) from Nova Scotia. His mother was Mary Lootman (Barios?). In Detroit, Navarre married Louise de Marsac, granddaughter of Cadillac&#039;s sergeant, Jacob de Marsac.
&lt;b&gt;The Navarre&#039;s, are descedents of Antoine Navarre, Duke de Vendome who was a half-brother of Henry IV, King of France and Navarre.&lt;/b&gt;

got it? old money... 

want to laugh? another ancestor is Catherine Bourdeau.. 
go back up the tree on another line and you get to catherine boudreau
catherine boudreau was part of the weather underground with ayers

how about her husband? chelsea clinton is listed as the daugher of hillary rodham, and William Jefferson Blythe III.. (not Clinton)

William Jefferson Clinton (born William Jefferson Blythe III, August 19, 1946) is an American politician who was 42nd President of the United States

go back to the first Blyth... and who did he marry?  Lou Birchie Ayers

Lou Birchie (Ayers) Blythe was the grandmother of President Bill Clinton. She was the daughter of Simpson Green Ayers and Hattie (Hayes) Ayers, the wife of William Jefferson Blythe II, and the mother of William Jefferson Blythe III.

&lt;b&gt;so if you want to know the game of communism and all that, its just old time royalty taking back the world that the colonialists and such took from them!!! &lt;/b&gt;

a long time ago, i said look to the lineages to understand why they want to destroy family, why despite being feminsts they have so many, and who their family members are and what names cahnged

you will find that this group goes back to at least the 1600s... 
mostly related.. 

heck, you realize the linage of Valerie Jarret is ALSO connected to the Ayers line? 

Valerie Jarrett&#039;s father was James Bowman the communist... 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Bowman communicated with a paid Soviet agent named Alfred Stern, who later fled the U.S. to Prague when he was indicted on espionage charges that were ultimately confirmed beyond doubt–specifically, he had conspired to transmit military and political information to the Soviet Union. Bowman was also a member of the Association of Internes and Medical Students, a group that, according to his FBI file, engaged in un-American activities and “has long been a faithful follower of the Communist Party line.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i told you i dated a social register deb and i learned a lot from that</p>
<p>While trump flaunts to show he has what they have</p>
<p>They dont flaunt it at all, they flaunt their associations and keep their wealth hidden and away from public scrutiny&#8230; </p>
<p>the Clintons made 21 million in two years..<br />
where is the Clinton mansions? the cars? the other stuff? </p>
<p>of course the unwashed masses of poorer people have no idea of the games and bs of this area, because they dont want to!!!!!!!  to them its all the same, when its not to those in the game!</p>
<p>Trumps pedigree goes back to a poor immigrant barber late last century</p>
<p>The Rodhams and the Clintons go back way farther than that!!!<br />
you can tell because you can trace her lineage back more than 8 generations to Navarre family of Detroit Michigan</p>
<p>Robert Navarre was born in Detroit in 1739. His father, Robert Navarre, was originally from Villeroy, France, but came to Fort Ponchartrain du Detroit in 1730 (1739?) from Nova Scotia. His mother was Mary Lootman (Barios?). In Detroit, Navarre married Louise de Marsac, granddaughter of Cadillac&#8217;s sergeant, Jacob de Marsac.<br />
<b>The Navarre&#8217;s, are descedents of Antoine Navarre, Duke de Vendome who was a half-brother of Henry IV, King of France and Navarre.</b></p>
<p>got it? old money&#8230; </p>
<p>want to laugh? another ancestor is Catherine Bourdeau..<br />
go back up the tree on another line and you get to catherine boudreau<br />
catherine boudreau was part of the weather underground with ayers</p>
<p>how about her husband? chelsea clinton is listed as the daugher of hillary rodham, and William Jefferson Blythe III.. (not Clinton)</p>
<p>William Jefferson Clinton (born William Jefferson Blythe III, August 19, 1946) is an American politician who was 42nd President of the United States</p>
<p>go back to the first Blyth&#8230; and who did he marry?  Lou Birchie Ayers</p>
<p>Lou Birchie (Ayers) Blythe was the grandmother of President Bill Clinton. She was the daughter of Simpson Green Ayers and Hattie (Hayes) Ayers, the wife of William Jefferson Blythe II, and the mother of William Jefferson Blythe III.</p>
<p><b>so if you want to know the game of communism and all that, its just old time royalty taking back the world that the colonialists and such took from them!!! </b></p>
<p>a long time ago, i said look to the lineages to understand why they want to destroy family, why despite being feminsts they have so many, and who their family members are and what names cahnged</p>
<p>you will find that this group goes back to at least the 1600s&#8230;<br />
mostly related.. </p>
<p>heck, you realize the linage of Valerie Jarret is ALSO connected to the Ayers line? </p>
<p>Valerie Jarrett&#8217;s father was James Bowman the communist&#8230; </p>
<blockquote><p>
Bowman communicated with a paid Soviet agent named Alfred Stern, who later fled the U.S. to Prague when he was indicted on espionage charges that were ultimately confirmed beyond doubt–specifically, he had conspired to transmit military and political information to the Soviet Union. Bowman was also a member of the Association of Internes and Medical Students, a group that, according to his FBI file, engaged in un-American activities and “has long been a faithful follower of the Communist Party line.”</p></blockquote>
<p>[edited for length by n-n]</p>
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		By: Trimegistus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 17:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The left has spent the past twenty years systematically destroying all our social trust . . . so now they&#039;re upset because you can&#039;t trust anyone?

TOO FUCKING BAD. Where was all this hand-wringing when Bill Clinton was lying on a daily basis? Where was all this outrage when Obama got elected on a platform of lies?

The Left has created a new environment in American politics. We&#039;ve watched dozens of decent, honorable Republicans go down to defeat at the hands of lying, corrupt Democrats. 

Fine. Time to take the gloves off. Time to run our own liars. Maybe we can pick better liars than the Democrats. Because it turns out losing with integrity is still losing. 

The alternative is violence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left has spent the past twenty years systematically destroying all our social trust . . . so now they&#8217;re upset because you can&#8217;t trust anyone?</p>
<p>TOO FUCKING BAD. Where was all this hand-wringing when Bill Clinton was lying on a daily basis? Where was all this outrage when Obama got elected on a platform of lies?</p>
<p>The Left has created a new environment in American politics. We&#8217;ve watched dozens of decent, honorable Republicans go down to defeat at the hands of lying, corrupt Democrats. </p>
<p>Fine. Time to take the gloves off. Time to run our own liars. Maybe we can pick better liars than the Democrats. Because it turns out losing with integrity is still losing. </p>
<p>The alternative is violence.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 17:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the Clintons and Trump used to be friends–or what passes for friends these days among the rich, famous, narcissistic, and hypocritical.

they were never friends... 
sorry
i attend those events and its about image not about truth

they are NOT friends
Trump is dirt, he is real estate.. 
they are politics and banking, the two rarely mix
they dont even marry each other!!!!

i would take pics of people and they would act like lost buddies and friends and then when it was over, walk away from each other and complain how they have to do this crap for the publicity and the people!!!!!!!!!

even worse, trump is outer borough. 
he is low brow to them... new riche.. 

to the people who look up, all money appears the same
to the people with money, it certainly isnt

bankers and politicians are old money
real estate and that is new money

Nouveau Riche
&lt;blockquote&gt;
This french term means “Newly Rich” and describes people who acquired their wealth within their own generation.

They usually come from middle or working class families who acquired their own wealth. They may also have acquired their wealth with help of parents finances (who may have been above middle class). The point is, their money does not go way back in time like for the ones with “old money”.

“Nouveau Riche” men &#038; women are known for splurging — sometimes exaggerating! They like to flaunt their affordability and tend to buy many status symbols to be seen as a upper class.

Russian oligarchs are an example for typical “nouveau riche” people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and

Old Money

&lt;blockquote&gt;
As the naming, this means old inherited status &#038; money.

They are known for being elitists which tend to looking down on the Nouveau Riche and claiming “they lack the proper pedigree”.

&lt;b&gt;Old money people stick together and prefer not to mix with others. They marry within “their circle” to keep as they say “the pedigree noble”. They are often the “socialites” types who go to high end events, private members clubs and more discreet gatherings. For them fame and stardom is often not prioritized, as their circle of friends usually contain royalties, politicians and A-listers.&lt;/b&gt;

In comparison to “Nouveau Riche”, the old money folks do not flaunt their money in the same excessive way. They rather keep their head high and look above everyone they believe is not worth wasting energy on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

they associate cause they HAVE to.. 
but they HATE those who are not old money and they barely tolerate them off camera, they dont work with them, they would rather not invite them, and more]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Clintons and Trump used to be friends–or what passes for friends these days among the rich, famous, narcissistic, and hypocritical.</p>
<p>they were never friends&#8230;<br />
sorry<br />
i attend those events and its about image not about truth</p>
<p>they are NOT friends<br />
Trump is dirt, he is real estate..<br />
they are politics and banking, the two rarely mix<br />
they dont even marry each other!!!!</p>
<p>i would take pics of people and they would act like lost buddies and friends and then when it was over, walk away from each other and complain how they have to do this crap for the publicity and the people!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>even worse, trump is outer borough.<br />
he is low brow to them&#8230; new riche.. </p>
<p>to the people who look up, all money appears the same<br />
to the people with money, it certainly isnt</p>
<p>bankers and politicians are old money<br />
real estate and that is new money</p>
<p>Nouveau Riche</p>
<blockquote><p>
This french term means “Newly Rich” and describes people who acquired their wealth within their own generation.</p>
<p>They usually come from middle or working class families who acquired their own wealth. They may also have acquired their wealth with help of parents finances (who may have been above middle class). The point is, their money does not go way back in time like for the ones with “old money”.</p>
<p>“Nouveau Riche” men &amp; women are known for splurging — sometimes exaggerating! They like to flaunt their affordability and tend to buy many status symbols to be seen as a upper class.</p>
<p>Russian oligarchs are an example for typical “nouveau riche” people.</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<p>Old Money</p>
<blockquote><p>
As the naming, this means old inherited status &amp; money.</p>
<p>They are known for being elitists which tend to looking down on the Nouveau Riche and claiming “they lack the proper pedigree”.</p>
<p><b>Old money people stick together and prefer not to mix with others. They marry within “their circle” to keep as they say “the pedigree noble”. They are often the “socialites” types who go to high end events, private members clubs and more discreet gatherings. For them fame and stardom is often not prioritized, as their circle of friends usually contain royalties, politicians and A-listers.</b></p>
<p>In comparison to “Nouveau Riche”, the old money folks do not flaunt their money in the same excessive way. They rather keep their head high and look above everyone they believe is not worth wasting energy on.</p></blockquote>
<p>they associate cause they HAVE to..<br />
but they HATE those who are not old money and they barely tolerate them off camera, they dont work with them, they would rather not invite them, and more</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 17:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom G:

Once again, let me point out that my point is not that politicians of the past didn&#039;t lie or betray promises, it&#039;s that they didn&#039;t do it blatantly and they didn&#039;t do it &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; elections, because they thought they&#039;d pay the price in the election.  And in fact, the American people &lt;i&gt;rejected&lt;/i&gt; Bush for re-election, and one of the main reasons was the &quot;no new taxes&quot; broken pledge.

Nor, by the way, is there evidence that his pledge was given cynically, with the intention of breaking it.  See &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no_new_taxes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; for the history of how and why it happened, and you might end up agreeing with me that Bush was actually a man of integrity and that he had no intent to lie to the American people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom G:</p>
<p>Once again, let me point out that my point is not that politicians of the past didn&#8217;t lie or betray promises, it&#8217;s that they didn&#8217;t do it blatantly and they didn&#8217;t do it <i>before</i> elections, because they thought they&#8217;d pay the price in the election.  And in fact, the American people <i>rejected</i> Bush for re-election, and one of the main reasons was the &#8220;no new taxes&#8221; broken pledge.</p>
<p>Nor, by the way, is there evidence that his pledge was given cynically, with the intention of breaking it.  See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no_new_taxes" rel="nofollow">this</a> for the history of how and why it happened, and you might end up agreeing with me that Bush was actually a man of integrity and that he had no intent to lie to the American people.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul in Boston:

The key phrase in your comment is &quot;by the END of his time in office.&quot;  He was not being elected by the end of his time in office.  In fact, he quit, in part because he knew he probably would not be re-elected. 

My point is that none of this was widely known when the American people voted for him. Nor were his personal quirks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul in Boston:</p>
<p>The key phrase in your comment is &#8220;by the END of his time in office.&#8221;  He was not being elected by the end of his time in office.  In fact, he quit, in part because he knew he probably would not be re-elected. </p>
<p>My point is that none of this was widely known when the American people voted for him. Nor were his personal quirks.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 16:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We boomers have no one to blame but ourselves.  When we were in college, my (future) wife was in a sorority.  Most of her friends were Education majors.  I said at the time, &quot;God help us when these people get to be in charge of the schools.&quot;  I thought I was joking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We boomers have no one to blame but ourselves.  When we were in college, my (future) wife was in a sorority.  Most of her friends were Education majors.  I said at the time, &#8220;God help us when these people get to be in charge of the schools.&#8221;  I thought I was joking.</p>
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		By: Paul in Boston		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 14:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, you and I seem to have different memories of the 1960s.  Remember the 1964 campaign promise, &quot;I am not sending American boys 10,000 miles to do what Asian boys should be doing&quot;.  Yes, not much was known about his personal life publically, but he was considered a lying SOB by the end of his time in office.  No one, absolutely no one, trusted a single word that came out of his mouth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, you and I seem to have different memories of the 1960s.  Remember the 1964 campaign promise, &#8220;I am not sending American boys 10,000 miles to do what Asian boys should be doing&#8221;.  Yes, not much was known about his personal life publically, but he was considered a lying SOB by the end of his time in office.  No one, absolutely no one, trusted a single word that came out of his mouth.</p>
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