It’s a matter of logic and the record. If GB is claiming that I attacked him first, all I have to do is look at the threads in question and check the date stamp on the statements, which will be forwarded as evidence in my favor.

People may not care what we are arguing about, but the evidence of the internet date stamps and statements still held in reserve and saved format, still exists. The truth exists, even if nobody cares about why that matters.

And if GB is claiming a record that goes beyond the available, then that’s just hearsay and memory talk. It has no substance, unless he wants to provide a link to the relevant records, which I often do and have done.

But GB is not interested in the actual literal record online, which anyone can check. Which is, in fact, what he disputes but I don’t think it is in dispute, but rather made obvious by the evidence.

Sign of the times. I hung it up here once before and then came back because of the host and the otherwise general intellectual decency.

I got the historical thread where Neo made a post about what C is referring to here as well. Another “record” of course.

I don’t like my candidates but I don’t really think either one is going to *end* America, just make us more European and Statist (on one side) or Authoritarian, Corrupt and Statist (on the other).

The thing is, Bill, the only way you can assess accurate predictions of global strategy and what would destroy America is to check the records for the ones who accurately predicted what state of affairs the US would be brought due as a result of the Leftist alliance.

It’s sort of like checking people’s anti Islamic comments before 2001 September, and seeing who the authentic predictive prophets are vs the fakes.

As for the destruction of America, elections didn’t destroy America and elections aren’t going to save America. A more practical concern is Islamic Jihad taking over Europe and gaining hold of European technology and launch systems, intact. If America is too busy fighting a civil war at that time because people refused to fight it sooner or with great fervor to conclude it, then Islam will be able to wipe out all factions in the US, with a few technical deliveries via cargo payload or missile delivery systems.

Do people know how many nuclear power plants France has, or that have been de commissioned but can also be re activated with France’s technical manpower? It’s more than the breeder reactors Eisenhower planned to build in the US, which ended up fueling the nuclear arms race against Soviet Russia.

All the pieces are there, just how they end up is a matter of logistics and strategy, not tactics and not elections. The time frame and limit is literal and real. It cannot be easily adjusted.

But, yes, things have gotten kind of . . . apocalyptic. Between assurances that no matter who I vote for the Republic is doomed, doomed, doomed, side by side with encouragements to not stray outside the two parties bringing the doom . . . if we were being invaded by another country, even if our odds of survival were low, wouldn’t we want to, I don’t know, do something about it?. We need to get momentum toward a third party, *even if it can’t win this year*. Voting for more of the same AND the demise of our Republic seems like madness.

I don’t like my candidates but I don’t really think either one is going to *end* America, just make us more European and Statist (on one side) or Authoritarian, Corrupt and Statist (on the other). That is unless the Donald decides so and so country hasn’t shown him enough deference and decides to press the button, in which case all bets are off.

Not to condemn you by association, but I find your arguments more cogent and consistent than Geoffrey’s. Keep the faith. It is persuasive.

Tautologies indeed they are at times.

For other people, they’re not going to stop supporting Trump or Hillary or whatever Leftist replaces them.

To Democrat zombies, they are always Obeying Orders. Pedos in children toilets? They Have Obeyed. Rapists on campus and in CPS? They Will Obey. False rape charges authorized by oligarchy trials? They will and have Obeyed. To a Leftist zombie, their entire life is the activist cause and war front. They never backtrack, they never give up. That’s how they can advance, as a collective, as a zerg, as a mass Fist, the pure avatar of strength in the State and the Utopia.

The problem with humans is that when 99% of people go along to get along, every thinks they should as well. After all, if literally nobody has the strength to resist the public, why should anyone put their head on the line? The nail that sticks out gets hammered first and hard.

Somebody has to stand up and say the Emperor has no clothes, and then everyone can disagree or agree with that. But first, there has to be some kind of fight about it. People really shouldn’t just go along to get along, promised rewards from some government entity.

There’s a good Christian story about the 40 martyrs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_Martyrs_of_Amorium

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_Martyrs_of_Sebaste

They refused to obey orders to convert. It was so easy. Convert, get some food and shelter. Why not. Your God isn’t here to save you. Convert and it will be easy.

But the ancient Christians were made of a sterner faith. They just Refused to Bow down to the Authority of the State, even on pain of death.

I look around today at this so called home of the brave America, and I see something a little bit different. Just a little bit.

Give what a rest?

This is the best talk I’ve seen here since 1-2 years ago, back when people were recognizing the reality of Civil War II in America or TWANLOC, Those Who Are No Longer Our Countrymen I think is how it went.

I was wondering how long the political arguments of voting would go on. But this topic of whether people should adhere to the State’s GOP party or whether people should obey their spirit/soul and internal will, is very critical for freedom of humanity.