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		By: waltj		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/14/crater-lake-crater-lakes/#comment-1170794</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2016 16:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I got familiar with Lake Toba when I lived in Indonesia.  It&#039;s up in north Sumatra, south of Medan, and almost directly across the Straits of Malacca from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia.  It used to be a popular backpacker-type tourist destination in the 1970s and 1980s, before the party moved to Thailand.  Lake Toba is in a predominantly Christian part of Indonesia (mostly Batak people live in the area), so consumption of alcohol or skimpy bathing suits have never been issues around there.  It&#039;s a pretty lake with hospitable people to welcome you to their hotels or restaurants, but the infrastructure has gotten somewhat run-down over the years.  Still worth a visit, IMHO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got familiar with Lake Toba when I lived in Indonesia.  It&#8217;s up in north Sumatra, south of Medan, and almost directly across the Straits of Malacca from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia.  It used to be a popular backpacker-type tourist destination in the 1970s and 1980s, before the party moved to Thailand.  Lake Toba is in a predominantly Christian part of Indonesia (mostly Batak people live in the area), so consumption of alcohol or skimpy bathing suits have never been issues around there.  It&#8217;s a pretty lake with hospitable people to welcome you to their hotels or restaurants, but the infrastructure has gotten somewhat run-down over the years.  Still worth a visit, IMHO.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 19:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sam L.:

Oops---thanks, will fix.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam L.:</p>
<p>Oops&#8212;thanks, will fix.</p>
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		By: Sam L.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 19:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s spelled MAZAMA.  Mazuma is slang for money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s spelled MAZAMA.  Mazuma is slang for money.</p>
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		By: brdavis9		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 04:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did you take the boat ride while you were there (well &quot;rides&quot; as there are - or were - several choices)? I hiked  Wizard Island with a geology group one trip.

...I&#039;ve been to Crater Lake many times over the decades (since I was a teen), camping, walking, hiking, sometimes going there just to drive around the caldera.

(Northern California and southern Oregon were my stomping grounds ...I&#039;m intimate with a lot of the region.)

Crater Lake visits almost always included a visit to the relatively nearby community of Ashland to take in a play (or two) ...my aunt and uncle convinced me to go with them to the Shakespeare Festival when I was visiting them as a recalcitrant brat of 16 (15?) or so (they lived on the North Coast - in Eureka - at the time, and Ashland was only a 4 hour drive or so) ...and that impromptu road trip began my love of the theater (and an introduction to the joys of Shakespeare). 

The play that evening was one of the comedies - As You Like It - in the Elizabethan Theater (it was pretty much the only venue in Ashland back then), and it rained a bit at one point ...and we sat mid-theater under the stars as the evening deepened ...and I was hooked: my gawd, it was funny and magical. It changed me. I&#039;ll never forget.

Lassen too. There&#039;s a small campground (I think it only has 15 campsites or so) at the south gate (on the road that winds its way to the summit ...and an awesome fast downhill cycling ride), and I &quot;taught&quot; my wife to love camping, hiking, camp coffee on cold mornings, and the joy of Tiny Tots (small brisling sardines in olive oil) on crackers during an arduous climb, from that base.

Good times.

...reading this thread has made me quite nostalgic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you take the boat ride while you were there (well &#8220;rides&#8221; as there are &#8211; or were &#8211; several choices)? I hiked  Wizard Island with a geology group one trip.</p>
<p>&#8230;I&#8217;ve been to Crater Lake many times over the decades (since I was a teen), camping, walking, hiking, sometimes going there just to drive around the caldera.</p>
<p>(Northern California and southern Oregon were my stomping grounds &#8230;I&#8217;m intimate with a lot of the region.)</p>
<p>Crater Lake visits almost always included a visit to the relatively nearby community of Ashland to take in a play (or two) &#8230;my aunt and uncle convinced me to go with them to the Shakespeare Festival when I was visiting them as a recalcitrant brat of 16 (15?) or so (they lived on the North Coast &#8211; in Eureka &#8211; at the time, and Ashland was only a 4 hour drive or so) &#8230;and that impromptu road trip began my love of the theater (and an introduction to the joys of Shakespeare). </p>
<p>The play that evening was one of the comedies &#8211; As You Like It &#8211; in the Elizabethan Theater (it was pretty much the only venue in Ashland back then), and it rained a bit at one point &#8230;and we sat mid-theater under the stars as the evening deepened &#8230;and I was hooked: my gawd, it was funny and magical. It changed me. I&#8217;ll never forget.</p>
<p>Lassen too. There&#8217;s a small campground (I think it only has 15 campsites or so) at the south gate (on the road that winds its way to the summit &#8230;and an awesome fast downhill cycling ride), and I &#8220;taught&#8221; my wife to love camping, hiking, camp coffee on cold mornings, and the joy of Tiny Tots (small brisling sardines in olive oil) on crackers during an arduous climb, from that base.</p>
<p>Good times.</p>
<p>&#8230;reading this thread has made me quite nostalgic.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 01:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Alan F:

Sounds like fun. 

As for the water level, apparently &lt;a href=&quot;https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2002/fs092-02/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is the explanation:

&lt;blockquote&gt; The last eruptions at Wizard Island took place when the lake was about 260 feet (80 m) lower than today. All of this activity occurred within 750 years after the cataclysmic eruption. The water level continued to rise until reaching near present-day levels, where it encountered a thick layer of porous deposits in the northeast caldera wall. These deposits stabilize lake levels like an overflow drain in a bathtub. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That link has a nice summary of information about Crater Lake and Mount Mazama.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan F:</p>
<p>Sounds like fun. </p>
<p>As for the water level, apparently <a href="https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2002/fs092-02/" rel="nofollow">this</a> is the explanation:</p>
<blockquote><p> The last eruptions at Wizard Island took place when the lake was about 260 feet (80 m) lower than today. All of this activity occurred within 750 years after the cataclysmic eruption. The water level continued to rise until reaching near present-day levels, where it encountered a thick layer of porous deposits in the northeast caldera wall. These deposits stabilize lake levels like an overflow drain in a bathtub. </p></blockquote>
<p>That link has a nice summary of information about Crater Lake and Mount Mazama.</p>
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		By: mollynh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[O M scary stuff. I read on the Daily Mail (a UK site) about some
Russian guy who proposes taking out the USA by somehow setting off this *super volcano*!!
Short sighted, would it not set off the nuclear winter, no crops  growing &#038; massive starvation. Disasters on such a scale impact everybody!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O M scary stuff. I read on the Daily Mail (a UK site) about some<br />
Russian guy who proposes taking out the USA by somehow setting off this *super volcano*!!<br />
Short sighted, would it not set off the nuclear winter, no crops  growing &amp; massive starvation. Disasters on such a scale impact everybody!</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 00:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Molly:
Being down wind in the ash plume from Yellowstone will be pretty bad.  Midwest and eastern US and Canada will not a good place to be. Volcanic ash is pretty nasty for automobile and truck engines, nor good to breathe, that&#039;s what  killed most of the victims at Mt St Helens in 1980.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly:<br />
Being down wind in the ash plume from Yellowstone will be pretty bad.  Midwest and eastern US and Canada will not a good place to be. Volcanic ash is pretty nasty for automobile and truck engines, nor good to breathe, that&#8217;s what  killed most of the victims at Mt St Helens in 1980.</p>
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		By: Alan F		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 00:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The main point is it is stupendously beautiful.  
Another unusual aspect I learned about Crater Lake, when I visited late in the 20th Century: As you mentioned it has no streams running into it. It also has no streams running out.  Yet the surface elevation varies little throughout the year and from year to year.  Somehow evaporation and percolation balance with rain, snow and spring snow melt to maintain that elevation.   How can that be?  I found no scientific explanation.  Here is what I suspect: The soil in that area is volcanic and quite porous.  I suspect that water readily percolates near the surface level, but that deeper down the earth lining of the lake is not porous so it’s enormous volume is held. 

BTW, you are right about the heat all around Lassen Peak in the summer.  I have visited the park many times, but always on skis or snowshoes.  There is often much snow around well into June.  On July 5, 1983, which was a very big snow year, I climbed to the summit and then descended on skis.  I also made several ski trips up the peak on Memorial Day weekends.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main point is it is stupendously beautiful.<br />
Another unusual aspect I learned about Crater Lake, when I visited late in the 20th Century: As you mentioned it has no streams running into it. It also has no streams running out.  Yet the surface elevation varies little throughout the year and from year to year.  Somehow evaporation and percolation balance with rain, snow and spring snow melt to maintain that elevation.   How can that be?  I found no scientific explanation.  Here is what I suspect: The soil in that area is volcanic and quite porous.  I suspect that water readily percolates near the surface level, but that deeper down the earth lining of the lake is not porous so it’s enormous volume is held. </p>
<p>BTW, you are right about the heat all around Lassen Peak in the summer.  I have visited the park many times, but always on skis or snowshoes.  There is often much snow around well into June.  On July 5, 1983, which was a very big snow year, I climbed to the summit and then descended on skis.  I also made several ski trips up the peak on Memorial Day weekends.</p>
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		By: Brian Swisher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 00:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:

I know what you mean about the hot summers.  I used to live in Susanville (about an hour to the east of Lassen), and going to the Sacramento Valley in midsummer was an ordeal.  

One spring (1998, I think), Lassen Park had a day where they allowed a limited number of visitors to come up and watch them do snow removal on the park road in the southern part of the park, where the Tehama caldera is.  A friend and I took advantage of this.  We were escorted up to the working face, where there was only (!) 27 feet of snow over the road.  It had been an unusually heavy snow that year, and dense as well.  They were estimating that there was over 60 feet of snow at the road summit, and there was so much snow on Lassen that the profile of the mountain was changed.

AMartel:
Too bad you weren&#039;t there yesterday - it probably would have been pretty nice.  It was 86 and clear here in Portland - today was cloudy and rainy as at Crater Lake.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:</p>
<p>I know what you mean about the hot summers.  I used to live in Susanville (about an hour to the east of Lassen), and going to the Sacramento Valley in midsummer was an ordeal.  </p>
<p>One spring (1998, I think), Lassen Park had a day where they allowed a limited number of visitors to come up and watch them do snow removal on the park road in the southern part of the park, where the Tehama caldera is.  A friend and I took advantage of this.  We were escorted up to the working face, where there was only (!) 27 feet of snow over the road.  It had been an unusually heavy snow that year, and dense as well.  They were estimating that there was over 60 feet of snow at the road summit, and there was so much snow on Lassen that the profile of the mountain was changed.</p>
<p>AMartel:<br />
Too bad you weren&#8217;t there yesterday &#8211; it probably would have been pretty nice.  It was 86 and clear here in Portland &#8211; today was cloudy and rainy as at Crater Lake.</p>
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		By: AMartel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2016 23:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Strange coincidence: I was just there today!  (Very foggy and could barely see the other side of the lake.  Short glimpse of Wizard Island before the fog moved back in.  No hiking as all the trails are still snow-covered.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange coincidence: I was just there today!  (Very foggy and could barely see the other side of the lake.  Short glimpse of Wizard Island before the fog moved back in.  No hiking as all the trails are still snow-covered.)</p>
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