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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/10/the-none-of-the-above-election/#comment-1156400</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[parker:

&quot;There is no difference between hrc and djt, other than the later has a below average penis.&quot;

Love it!!!! I&#039;m gonna fall outta my chair!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>parker:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no difference between hrc and djt, other than the later has a below average penis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Love it!!!! I&#8217;m gonna fall outta my chair!</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/10/the-none-of-the-above-election/#comment-1155851</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 14:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In a democracy, people should only vote their conscience. It doesn&#039;t matter what anyone else says.

The question isn&#039;t &quot;what happened to the Republic&quot;. The Republic is dead. The question is nominally between &quot;are we oligarchy or democracy&quot;.

Assuming votes still matter, then democracy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a democracy, people should only vote their conscience. It doesn&#8217;t matter what anyone else says.</p>
<p>The question isn&#8217;t &#8220;what happened to the Republic&#8221;. The Republic is dead. The question is nominally between &#8220;are we oligarchy or democracy&#8221;.</p>
<p>Assuming votes still matter, then democracy.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/10/the-none-of-the-above-election/#comment-1154388</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 04:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There  is no difference between hrc and djt, other than the later has a below average penis.  Yes, that is crude, but you followed the crude, clueless, supreme most dangerous momster. Congratulations, you won. You have voted to elect hrc or her surrogate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There  is no difference between hrc and djt, other than the later has a below average penis.  Yes, that is crude, but you followed the crude, clueless, supreme most dangerous momster. Congratulations, you won. You have voted to elect hrc or her surrogate.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/10/the-none-of-the-above-election/#comment-1154351</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 03:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow trumpians reluctant or otherwise,

Cut down the law YUUGE bumper sticker!  You are (sorry those I respect or disrepect)  are in a fantasy world. The donald is a trojan horse. Might as well vote dem straight on down for that is what you will reap.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow trumpians reluctant or otherwise,</p>
<p>Cut down the law YUUGE bumper sticker!  You are (sorry those I respect or disrepect)  are in a fantasy world. The donald is a trojan horse. Might as well vote dem straight on down for that is what you will reap.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/10/the-none-of-the-above-election/#comment-1153353</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 21:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As for Caesar, he was more like Ted Cruz and the Senate were the corrupt dictators. The Senate, by killing Caesar, doomed the Republic and created the Imperium of mad rulers and emperors.

Caesar was of the Marius Reforms faction and in fact probably had Marius as a mentor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Caesar, he was more like Ted Cruz and the Senate were the corrupt dictators. The Senate, by killing Caesar, doomed the Republic and created the Imperium of mad rulers and emperors.</p>
<p>Caesar was of the Marius Reforms faction and in fact probably had Marius as a mentor.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/10/the-none-of-the-above-election/#comment-1153350</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 21:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I think the worst part is that I went into this election cycle thinking we could FINALLY have a decently conservative presidential candidate to vote for, and maintain both houses of congress. I honestly thought we had a shot at maybe beginning the long journey of turning this around. Now I feel we’ve blown it, and it was our last chance. &lt;/b&gt;

You would probably know what my views are/were, if you read my comments at Grim b&#039;s blog.

My prediction and analysis from 2007 hasn&#039;t changed. If anything, it is becoming amazingly on target, even time wise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I think the worst part is that I went into this election cycle thinking we could FINALLY have a decently conservative presidential candidate to vote for, and maintain both houses of congress. I honestly thought we had a shot at maybe beginning the long journey of turning this around. Now I feel we’ve blown it, and it was our last chance. </b></p>
<p>You would probably know what my views are/were, if you read my comments at Grim b&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>My prediction and analysis from 2007 hasn&#8217;t changed. If anything, it is becoming amazingly on target, even time wise.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/10/the-none-of-the-above-election/#comment-1153348</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 21:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt; lead you to prefer the certainty of the continuance of the Gramscian March that leads to Lenin. &lt;/b&gt;

The Gramscian march actually stopped in 2008. And the Leftist alliance had activated their strategic reserves and came out of the shadows by around 2012.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> lead you to prefer the certainty of the continuance of the Gramscian March that leads to Lenin. </b></p>
<p>The Gramscian march actually stopped in 2008. And the Leftist alliance had activated their strategic reserves and came out of the shadows by around 2012.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 21:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom:
&quot;Bush did not give us fifteen years of war, and a middle east in chaos, that was given to us by a bunch of radicals who followed the tenants of Osama Bin Laden, and attacked the Pentagon, and the World Trade Center, and killed thousands of our fellow citizens.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://fas.org/irp/eprint/iraqi/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Plus&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Captured Iraqi documents have uncovered evidence that links the regime of Saddam Hussein to regional and global terrorism, including a variety of revolutionary, liberation, nationalist, and Islamic terrorist organizations. ... Because Saddamï¿½s security organizations and Osama bin Ladenï¿½s terrorist network operated with similar aims (at least in the short term), considerable &lt;b&gt;overlap&lt;/b&gt; was inevitable when monitoring, contacting, financing, and training the same outside groups. ... evidence shows that Saddamï¿½s use of terrorist tactics and his support for terrorist groups remained strong up until the collapse of the regime.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://kyleorton1991.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/the-islamic-state-was-coming-without-the-invasion-of-iraq/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;And&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The networks by which foreign Sunni jihadists entered Iraq predate 2003, either being formed with regime complicity by Zarqawi in 2002, or directly formed by the regime much earlier as part of &lt;b&gt;Saddam’s alliance with the Islamists in his foreign policy&lt;/b&gt;. ... To put it simply, the Saddam regime’s reputation for keeping a lid on religious militancy and sectarianism is exactly wrong; by commission and omission it brought both things to levels Iraq has scarcely ever known in its history. ... The Faith Campaign and the accompanying patronage networks laid the foundations for something like IS, ideologically and materially, long before the Coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://learning-curve.blogspot.com/2014/05/operation-iraqi-freedom-faq.html#whyleavecontainment&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Note&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;From Baghdad the long struggle to outlast the containment policy of the United States imposed through the UN sanctions seemed tantalizingly close. There was considerable commitment and involvement on the part of states like &lt;b&gt;Russia and Syria&lt;/b&gt;, who had developed economic and political stakes in the success of the Regime.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Our intervention was not the cause of the sickness in the region. It was the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.un.org/press/en/2010/sc10118.doc.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cure&lt;/a&gt; until Obama deviated from Bush. The Saddam regime, with accomplices like Russia and Syria, were causes of the sickness in the region.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:<br />
&#8220;Bush did not give us fifteen years of war, and a middle east in chaos, that was given to us by a bunch of radicals who followed the tenants of Osama Bin Laden, and attacked the Pentagon, and the World Trade Center, and killed thousands of our fellow citizens.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://fas.org/irp/eprint/iraqi/" rel="nofollow">Plus</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Captured Iraqi documents have uncovered evidence that links the regime of Saddam Hussein to regional and global terrorism, including a variety of revolutionary, liberation, nationalist, and Islamic terrorist organizations. &#8230; Because Saddamï¿½s security organizations and Osama bin Ladenï¿½s terrorist network operated with similar aims (at least in the short term), considerable <b>overlap</b> was inevitable when monitoring, contacting, financing, and training the same outside groups. &#8230; evidence shows that Saddamï¿½s use of terrorist tactics and his support for terrorist groups remained strong up until the collapse of the regime.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://kyleorton1991.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/the-islamic-state-was-coming-without-the-invasion-of-iraq/" rel="nofollow">And</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The networks by which foreign Sunni jihadists entered Iraq predate 2003, either being formed with regime complicity by Zarqawi in 2002, or directly formed by the regime much earlier as part of <b>Saddam’s alliance with the Islamists in his foreign policy</b>. &#8230; To put it simply, the Saddam regime’s reputation for keeping a lid on religious militancy and sectarianism is exactly wrong; by commission and omission it brought both things to levels Iraq has scarcely ever known in its history. &#8230; The Faith Campaign and the accompanying patronage networks laid the foundations for something like IS, ideologically and materially, long before the Coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://learning-curve.blogspot.com/2014/05/operation-iraqi-freedom-faq.html#whyleavecontainment" rel="nofollow">Note</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>From Baghdad the long struggle to outlast the containment policy of the United States imposed through the UN sanctions seemed tantalizingly close. There was considerable commitment and involvement on the part of states like <b>Russia and Syria</b>, who had developed economic and political stakes in the success of the Regime.</p></blockquote>
<p>Our intervention was not the cause of the sickness in the region. It was the <a href="http://www.un.org/press/en/2010/sc10118.doc.htm" rel="nofollow">cure</a> until Obama deviated from Bush. The Saddam regime, with accomplices like Russia and Syria, were causes of the sickness in the region.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/10/the-none-of-the-above-election/#comment-1153277</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 20:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;I think the worst part is that I went into this election cycle thinking we could FINALLY have a decently conservative presidential candidate to vote for, and maintain both houses of congress. I honestly thought we had a shot at maybe beginning the long journey of turning this around. Now I feel we’ve blown it, and it was our last chance. I’m always going to wonder if Trump was a Democratic plant.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Hear, hear! The Republican party has earned it&#039;s nickname &quot;The Stupid Party&quot; many times in the past, but now it has earned win, place and show with an oak leaf cluster. 

We had the best opportunity in 8 years and completely blew it. No way I ever saw this coming. No way I would have ever predicted it.

As I said above, I think Trump is having a blast and enjoying jerking us around. There is really no likely outcome that isn&#039;t fraught with tears at this point.

I&#039;m with you, though - I&#039;m not going to just throw in the towel and submit to dictators (to use GB&#039;s formulation). Because that&#039;s what both of them want to be. I don&#039;t know what I&#039;m going to do, but helping Trump win so I can spend the next four to eight years having him punch me in the face with my own fist while saying &quot;Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself?&quot; over and over .... not going to happen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I think the worst part is that I went into this election cycle thinking we could FINALLY have a decently conservative presidential candidate to vote for, and maintain both houses of congress. I honestly thought we had a shot at maybe beginning the long journey of turning this around. Now I feel we’ve blown it, and it was our last chance. I’m always going to wonder if Trump was a Democratic plant.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Hear, hear! The Republican party has earned it&#8217;s nickname &#8220;The Stupid Party&#8221; many times in the past, but now it has earned win, place and show with an oak leaf cluster. </p>
<p>We had the best opportunity in 8 years and completely blew it. No way I ever saw this coming. No way I would have ever predicted it.</p>
<p>As I said above, I think Trump is having a blast and enjoying jerking us around. There is really no likely outcome that isn&#8217;t fraught with tears at this point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you, though &#8211; I&#8217;m not going to just throw in the towel and submit to dictators (to use GB&#8217;s formulation). Because that&#8217;s what both of them want to be. I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m going to do, but helping Trump win so I can spend the next four to eight years having him punch me in the face with my own fist while saying &#8220;Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself?&#8221; over and over &#8230;. not going to happen.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/05/10/the-none-of-the-above-election/#comment-1152990</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 19:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey, I completely agree that we&#039;re in a burning building that is crumbling around us, I just don&#039;t see Trump as a solution. I don&#039;t see Hillary as one either, but if we&#039;re just gonna say f*cK it, then I&#039;m gonna say f*ck it my way. I&#039;m going to pray that enough people see things the same way that I do that they try to do something other than pick the perceived lesser of two evils, and look for a third option. I see Hillary as gasoline, and Trump as kerosene. I&#039;m looking for water. We&#039;re Americans, we have choices, we don&#039;t have to accept whatever choices are handed to us. I was also reminded this morning that EVERYONE said Murkowski couldn&#039;t win a write in election, but I&#039;m pretty sure she&#039;s a sitting senator. I think the worst part is that I went into this election cycle thinking we could FINALLY have a decently conservative presidential candidate to vote for, and maintain both houses of congress. I honestly thought we had a shot at maybe beginning the long journey of turning this around. Now I feel we&#039;ve blown it, and it was our last chance. I&#039;m always going to wonder if Trump was a Democratic plant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey, I completely agree that we&#8217;re in a burning building that is crumbling around us, I just don&#8217;t see Trump as a solution. I don&#8217;t see Hillary as one either, but if we&#8217;re just gonna say f*cK it, then I&#8217;m gonna say f*ck it my way. I&#8217;m going to pray that enough people see things the same way that I do that they try to do something other than pick the perceived lesser of two evils, and look for a third option. I see Hillary as gasoline, and Trump as kerosene. I&#8217;m looking for water. We&#8217;re Americans, we have choices, we don&#8217;t have to accept whatever choices are handed to us. I was also reminded this morning that EVERYONE said Murkowski couldn&#8217;t win a write in election, but I&#8217;m pretty sure she&#8217;s a sitting senator. I think the worst part is that I went into this election cycle thinking we could FINALLY have a decently conservative presidential candidate to vote for, and maintain both houses of congress. I honestly thought we had a shot at maybe beginning the long journey of turning this around. Now I feel we&#8217;ve blown it, and it was our last chance. I&#8217;m always going to wonder if Trump was a Democratic plant.</p>
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