““Evil draws its power from indecision and concern for what other people think.” ― Pope Benedict XVI”

and your complaint is that trump doesnt care what people think of his opinion? how about a bit of consistency here..

(and your point was to vote for a third party which the record holder for the most votes there was ross perot, same as not voting)

““The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking.” ― John Kenneth Galbraith”

so thats why you are not on the side of trump, he makes you think by not taking the conventional view.. that he violates this all the time… and that the lefts ays the conventional view is that trump is not presidential (but lbj and his big dick were?)

consistency of thought might help..

When you look at people who are successful, you will find that they aren’t the people who are motivated, but have consistency in their motivation. Arsene Wenger

Anyone that has a job that takes them away from home, I think, can understand the difficulties in maintaining consistency, not only with your family and those you love but with your friends. Heath Ledger

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. Ralph Waldo Emerson

The lawyer’s truth is not Truth, but consistency or a consistent expediency. Henry David Thoreau
[hillary is what profession outside of politics?]

spend more time on leftist liberal sites listening to them and their inanities and you would be partially cured. but note, many of the left is also on trumps side as they sense sociopathy and while they may have fought for socialism, the reality of it was not something that they would want in their lives, but was ok to fight for, get laid for, be popular for

not to mention that once the left lowers the bar to the game, its a free for all… queensbury rules disappear the minute you try to kick em in the balls

and some of those horrid trump supporters are actually leftists trying to turn you off to supporting him (and sadly some are not)

your ignoring the lefts kill whitey, murder white babies in the hospitals, shooting police, planting bombs, lying outright, creating hoaxes of abuse blaming the opposition (hate hoax is very popular, from rolling stone magazine to college professors hanging nooses to claim racism)

your comparing these people woh are ginned up for the first time in their lives (most of them) against people caling for extermination, wanting eugenics, dedicating their books to lucifer, robbing banks to start race war, violating the constituation.

you really should get out more often and go check out what is going on in the opposition groups and even worse, they dont erase them, say they are wrong, but all agree in corus

Islam turned otu to be the religion that appealed to my feminist ideals – theresa corben writer CNN

how about asking them their ideas on selling fetal baby parts? trump makes golf courses and he is evil, but the left sells baby parts and they are good.

yes, they compromised their values for a short win

funny, but you had the answer in your post and didnt see it…

““Peace won by compromise is usually a short-lived achievement.” Winfield Scott “ — Art

But, isn’t trump the ultimate compromise? After all, he is hardly conservative, having a history of stances consistent with the Dems.

no… he isnt. your confusing compromise to close a deal to reach parity, etc… with compromise ones values..

given that winfield scott was a general, do you think he didnt mean compromise ones values?

there are two meanings to that word..

an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions. [the one you focuesd on]

accept standards that are lower than is desirable. / weaken (a reputation or principle) by accepting standards that are lower than is desirable. / ring into disrepute or danger by indiscreet, foolish, or reckless behavior./ cause to become vulnerable or function less effectively.

Trump makes deals, so he does the first
but Trump does not back down on his standards, his values, and so on… which is what i was pointing out

when they called him racist, he did not back down
when he said he insulted women, he pointed out it was a war with a very nasty woman whose daugher hates her and has run away from her several times (she lives in my old neigborhood in nyack)

Cruz wanted 500% increase in foreigners
THAT is what killed him.. not his conservative principals
but when he was hit on that, he compromised his values to compromise with the public in exchange for the votes which they did not give him

the sentence has both meanings and relates to the quote…

thanks for the cogent point to talk about!!!
(a real compliment)

@Artfuldodger — It was not trump’s “leadership” that won, at least not in the way your quotes imply.

yeah.. your right.. he didnt make the decision not to collect money, and didnt make the choice of what to say, and didnt make the choice of where to go, and what position to take… that was all his political pollsters like hillary… but wait, he had none..

so your wrong.. it WAS his leadership… you just dont want to recognize that…

if it wasnt his leadership, then who was making the choices and stragegies? ayers and valerie jarret?

that is true to some degree of most wealthy parents, and even single mothers… the key is not that someone else does something, but that you select the right people over time to provide what no single set of parents can have, with an awareness of the odds of outcomes..

but you really have to go past the short answer:

what did the high-flying dealmaker think of his kids’ prospects for the future?

“Statistically, my children have a very bad shot, children of successful people are generally very, very troubled, not successful. They don’t have the right shtick.” Playboy in 1990

The kids grew up in the close company of nannies and security guards who worked for the family. Ivana’s parents lived with them when they were young; the boys’ interest in hunting and fishing came from grandfather Milos. In 2011, Donald and Eric went trophy hunting in Zimbabwe, killing an elephant and cheetah among other large animals

“My father is a very hardworking guy, and that’s his focus in life, so I got a lot of the paternal attention that a boy wants and needs from my grandfather,” Donald Jr.

[same with myself… my grandparents were closest to me when young]
[and one if his kids fit that mold, the child of maples]

with this awareness, he has done the right thing to avoid the bad issue when a parent has too little timeand has a heteronormative patriarchal evil family structure… not like leaving them with abusive strangers like the children of feminists and their victims do, and not leaving them to grow without any such structuring.

They work for their father as executive vice presidents of development and acquisition. (Trump also has two younger children, one each by his second and third wives.) As for their specializations: Don Jr. manages the existing property portfolio, Ivanka oversees the family’s hotels, and Eric manages the family’s golf assets.

[so when something goes bad, is it Trump, or his kids?]
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The general will of We The People is – and has always been since the founding father activists – a function of activism. The activist game is the only social cultural/political game there is. Participatory politics subsume electoral politics. To compete for real, conservatives must collectively become a social activist movement.

Thus far, conservatives’ aversion to activism has consistently undermined them by gifting the Left, and now the alt-Right, an open field to run up the score and seize critical social nodes – including the media – virtually uncontested. A cognitive cornerstone of the Right’s self-sabotage is the rationalization that all activism is tantamount to Alinskyite leftist-style activism “without conscience, ethics, morals, principles or honor”. The “jayvee” Trump-front alt-Right has reinforced that perception by their strategic choice to mimic the Left activism that’s long proven against the Right and GOP.

However, while there are common principles in the activist game, like any kind of competition, there are different styles of activism. One reason I like to cite the example of the successful Ivy League pro-military campus activists is their activism was scrupulous and, without mimicking Left activism, they defeated elite campus ‘SJW’ radical leftists on their supposed home turf. In other words, effective counter-Left (and, by the same token, counter-alt-Right) activism is not necessarily leftist-style activism repurposed.

For the embattled Right, the first decision is whether conservatives will collectively adapt activism necessary to compete for real in the only social cultural/political game there is. If they will not, then it’s game over, surrender with much complaining but without any real resistance.

If, however, conservatives choose collectively to compete for real, the next step is to figure out activism that’s compatible with their tastes upon the bottom-line that it’s effective in the arena. Like any kind of competition, you can’t just talk about. The developmental process is iterative and involves taking lumps at the hands of more advanced competition. But defeat is how competitors learn to win and develop their own arena-tested ‘varsity’ cadre.

You say “jayvee Alinskyites, well, they really won’t know what hit them when a couple million professionals with 100 years of practice show them how it’s done” as though facing varsity Democrat-front Left activists will be their Waterloo. Not at all. At worst, it would be their Kasserine Pass. Moving up in competition level from self-defeating ‘rec center’ conservative and GOP non-activists to varsity Democrat-front Left activists is how ‘jayvee’ Trump-front alt-Right activists will raise their game.

Keep in mind that the alt-Right is only supporting the Trump campaign for their own purposes. They’re building a social activist movement for their Gramscian long march to reify their preferred social condition with paradigm shift. They’re neither limited in purpose nor subordinate to the 2016 Trump campaign. At current stage, their principal goal has been to displace conservatives and take over their space in the American political landscape, following the precedent of the leftists that displaced and replaced liberals. They can accomplish that goal with or without Trump winning the general election. They’ve mostly already accomplished their principal goal.

And with or without Trump winning the general election, they can improve their “jayvee” social activist movement to a varsity level via head-on competition with the varsity Democrat-front Left.

With or without Trump winning the general election, alt-Right activists have already won this round. Conservatives have already lost. Unless conservatives evolve collectively to activism in order to compete for real, the proximate defeat at the hands of the alt-Right insurgency can cascade in short order to an evolutionary, existential finish.

I think we are now reaching the endgame of the Baby Boomer generation. Too many of us bought into the bullshit we were expounding in the 60’s and made it their “life’s work”; which is to destroy the U.S. I still cannot understand the psychology of my fellow Boomers who grew up so comfortably to want to tear it all down.

So now we are faced with two Boomer candidates for president. One a pathological liar determined to punish the country and at the same time profit from the destruction. The other, the embodiment of the narcissistic Boomer attitude of sex, drugs, and rock and roll, where everything revolves around the holy concept of “me”. In a tremendous case of irony, the Greatest Generation gave birth and raised the Worst Generation that will end up destroying the last great hope of humanity.

@Matt_SE – looking into Rasmussen’s latest polling, a surprisingly large 1/3 of the non-affiliated likely voters (aka Independents) couldn’t pick either Trump or Clinton, instead mostly going 3rd party or some undecided.

So there is a lot of wiggle room between those numbers and what an election day would look like (to say nothing about how they are spread across the electoral colleges).

It is a good bet that the much higher negatives with key demographics will be much more important in how a Trump nominee would fare.

@blert – thanks!

“A flat tax would END Berkshire-Hathaway’s profit engine – it totally turns on the tax code as applied to insurance companies.”

Right. Doubt that if Buffet were 20 years old today, starting over, he’d find the business atmosphere as conducive to his “strategy” of using insurance companies as his own hedge fund.

Give the man his dues for all that (unlike Trump, he actually outperformed the index), but in recent years, he seems much too close to government, and received deals that are just too good to be true. His moves to hide his wealth from inheritance taxation (his right to do so) belies his stand on taxes.

@Geoffrey B – “F has the right of it.” Agree.

@parker – “Slick Willy has no desire to hump his daughter. That alone puts him leagues ahead of djt in a character contest”

Agree. Unsavory as Bill Clinton’s character is, as a politician he knew his stuff, knew what he could do and couldn’t do policy wise, was relatively stable and consistent in his approach / advocacy, and he could sell it to the public.

Trump seems unbridled by anything, prone to mercurial public fits, has a much more ominous threatening streak to any who oppose him, oblivious to the details of any of his proposals, most of which seem made up on the fly, and are changeable by noon the same day. IOW, not even remotely fit for the office. So yeah, entirely different leagues.

No, Wooly is NOT saying his vote doesn’t count.

He’s saying that both his vote and his integrity count. Perhaps he will vote third party, for example.

He is saying that his vote counts for so much that he refuses to prostitute it. And no, voting for Donald Trump is not like voting for other previous GOP candidates with whom a person might have disagreed. See this.