By the way Hoovers wife was quite an interesting person

Absolutely no historian dates the BERLIN wall to anything other than August 1961 — which was a CRISIS moment for JFK.

He FLAKED.

Prior to its erection, German talents were fleeing in a steady stream.

Their economic impact was huge.

The Commies were constantly facing factory shut downs be cause the critical talent had just fled to the West.

Many West Germans were engaged in underground railroad activities — with plenty of help from the CIA and British Intelligence.

It took the Bay of Pigs and the first confab to convince Nikita to give the go-ahead — so noted by Nikita in his diary — time stamped for the period.

Like Adolf, Nikita’s vanity demanded that he look brilliant in the histories.

Prior to that time, Nikita was afraid to put up a wall inside Berlin.

1) He was violating the Occupying Powers Doctrine that had previously served Russia so well.

That doctrine allowed the Russians to observe and vote on all governance of Berlin.

And to travel throughout the city, at will.

The governance of the city was split in half, with the West giving up on having any influence whatsoever in East Berlin — and vice versa.

All pretence of joint powers was ended.

Subsequently, Vienna became the spy and intrigue capital of Europe. The Great Game was shut down in Berlin.

What had been perfunctory passport presentations became arduous and scary crossings. ( for Americans, British, and the French. )

The laxity is evident in the film “One, Two, Three” as Cagney races straight through check point Charlie ( it wasn’t erected yet ) at high speed, including the Brandenburg Gate! This film was released in 1961.

The feel of the times is also illustrated by “Our Man In Havana.”

The Bay of Pigs and the Berlin Wall changed EVERYTHING.

ALL of the anti-Castro statutes date after the Bay of Pigs.

The more you look into the actual events during the Bay of Pigs the more you realize that Kennedy was running a clown show from the White House.

The only president to look that foolish and stupid: President Soetoro.

The warburgs are also connected not just with rotshchilds but are parf of the schiff family.

son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution through James’ brother Max, banker to the German government, Chairman of the CFR

its from all these things that the tin hats draw their tin hat conclusions, but the facts remain despite their leaping around in crazy ways…

What was perhaps Schiff’s most famous financial action was during the Russo-Japanese War, in 1904 and 1905. Schiff met Takahashi Korekiyo, deputy governor of the Bank of Japan, in Paris in April 1904. He subsequently extended loans to the Empire of Japan in the amount of $200 million, through Kuhn, Loeb & Co. These loans were the first major flotation of Japanese bonds on Wall Street, and provided approximately half the funds needed for Japan’s war effort

Historian George F. Kennan noted that Schiff helped finance revolutionary propaganda during the Russo-Japanese war and revolution of 1905. The Jewish Communal Register of New York City stated that “Mr. Schiff has always used his wealth and his influence in the best interests of his people. He financed the enemies of autocratic Russia and used his financial influence to keep Russia from the money markets of the United States.”

I knew about the Schiffs from the synagogue on Valentine Avenue in the fordham road area of the bronx.

Schiff’s descendant Andrew Newman Schiff was married to former Vice President Al Gore′s daughter, Karenna

The Schiffs and the Rosenwald’s of sears funded the tuskeegee syphilus study that the US and its people get blamed for. though now you only hear of the Rosenwald’s, not Schiffs part… they also funded the highlander school that taught rosa parks how to protest as they funded laws, like blacks at the back of the bus. what obamas green czar referred to as top down and bottom up

funny… you would think people with lots of money would not be funding a movement that purports to grab it all and clean them out. eh? but they do and did, and structured all this. probably with the idea that a two party world where they are on the top forever, and everyone else is their minions, is the design.

been like that since way before any of us were born.
just most of us dont know the history, or know parts, and are scared away by the wackos who try to tie to it the longest running disenformatzia campaign of the jewish conspiracy… yes, a lot of them are jews, but a whole lot of them are other things depending on what part of the world they are in.

who knows? i certainly dont, and association is not really evidence, is it? when the world had lots of top well educated people of jewish descent, it would be even more odd if they were NOT their…

after all the whole reording of the world and such, even from marx, is an academic persuit, not a religious one. its academics who think they are smart enough to design a world and get eveyrone to march in line… from Philip Drew onwards…

yes, they put the date at 1961, but in truth, you couldnt really cross way before.

Up until 1952, the demarcation lines between East Germany and the western occupied zones could be easily crossed in most places

On 1 April 1952, East German leaders met the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin in Moscow; during the discussions Stalin’s foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov proposed that the East Germans should “introduce a system of passes for visits of West Berlin residents to the territory of East Berlin [so as to stop] free movement of Western agents” in the GDR. Stalin agreed, calling the situation “intolerable”. He advised the East Germans to build up their border defenses, telling them that “The demarcation line between East and West Germany should be considered a border–and not just any border, but a dangerous one … The Germans will guard the line of defence with their lives.”

in essence THAT was the wall, the rest was the constant upgrading of that prior position… first a tiny wall, barbed wire… some tanks… then bricking up the houses that had windows facing the other side, then bricking up sewers. then as people jumped out of hgher windows, those were bricked up. then when they tried coming down the roofs the buildings were destroyed and a no mans land with mines and towers created… and eventually, a L shaped wall (with the lower part of the L facing inwards), was created with a large circular top. the top prevented someone from being able to hold on or latch on to anything to climb. the L shape was to prevent a truck from ramming the wall and knocking it over. much like a modern moustrap, the weight of the truck would secure the wall from the trucks own actions.

the rest, as we say, is history… the last few to try to get out went so far as to try to use a hot air balloon and a hang glider. a few guards made it accross, others were shot as they ran around the no mans land, for once you were in, that was that. you were very much like a deer stuck on a highway divide: roadkill

Given my family is latvian, well, we already knew wht kind of guy FDR was. even worse, we knew that the german camps disposing of jews were not dismantled, but were also signed over at yalta where Stalin continued to use them for a long time. [the documentary Soviet Story i recommended covered it].

my family had to come throug the DP (displaced persons) camps…

though Neo brought up someone interesting..

James Warburg a very famous elite family connected to the rothschilds, just as politicos today are connected to various banker backers (Kasich is with the Lehman family, and Cruz is in the pocket of GoldmanSachs, etc)

Aby Warburg – Founder of the Warburg Institute
Felix M. Warburg – Kuhn, Loeb and Co.
Max M. Warburg – M. M. Warburg & Company

And one of the most infamous:
Paul M. Warburg who for the banking families to own the US and to meet the ideals of communism,, created the The Federal Reserve System..

they facilitated the following

1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.
[those poor farmers getting shot up, you can see the video as our people basically murdered them – becuase most of the west is rental property owned by the state]

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax – which prevents people from climing up the wealth ladder and NOT gets wealthy to pay more, but gets them to pay less…

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. – the Federal Reserve System as it is from Warburg on

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. [FDR did this one but its gone back and forth]

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. [open borders]

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc. [bernie and hillaries putsch]

oh, the list? that was written in 1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx…

It took 24-hours to launch once given authorization.

It was solely a first strike — or propaganda — weapon.

The base — there was only one — in Estonia — had 3 pads.

That was all.

Needless to say, it was under constant watch by U-2 flights.

If even the first steps had been initiated, atomic war would have ensued. So Nikita had the base entirely stand down.

One of the themes of the Soviet era was to NEVER falsely provoke the enemy to attack. ( Think June 22, 1941… June 22, 1812… )

blert,

As I stated above, I am willing to cut JFK a little slack. The Berlin Wall was built starting in August, 1961, a scant 7 months after JFK assumed the office of POTUS. IMO blaming JFK for the Berlin Wall is akin to blaming GWB for 9/11. The Bay of Pigs was a fiasco, no argument there. It was half a$$ed, doomed to fail operation. Presidents make mistakes, like the Bay of Pigs or the Lebanon Marine barracks attack 1983.

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You are making a huge mistake, then.

The diary of Nikita Khruschev is EXPLICIT.

The idea of a Berlin wall had been muted ever since 1953.

Moscow was paralysed facing Ike, the president who preferred to be addressed as General.

The go-ahead was ONLY given subsequent to the Bay of Pigs and the first meeting Nikita had with John.

He deemed him a flake — WAY in over his head.

This matter is now deemed settled history.

The Berlin Wall is ‘owned’ by JFK … as is the Cuban Missile Crisis — as Nikita’s diary also shows.

ALL of these events were keyed on what had just gone before.

John was letting matters spiral entirely out of control.

He made the EXACT WRONG decision during the Cuban Missile Crisis, too.

EVERY seasoned hand realized that a rubicon was being crossed…

AND that America had ALL the face cards.

Moscow had absolutely no ICBMs capable of reaching North America at that time. Hence, the need to forward deploy.

The critical weapon system that had Washington nervous — CRUISE MISSILES — not the R-4 — which took so long to launch — and was so visible during launch prep.

Folks now forget that the Russians mimicked the USN — and developed cruise missiles during the 50’s, too.

By 1962 their versions were fully operational.

The USN had Regulus missiles deployed at sea — starting in 1953. (!)

This first generation of sea launched cruise missiles is now forgotten history.

The Russians were sending far more cruise missiles to Cuba than they were IRBMs.

Their version was basically a Mig 15 without a pilot. The resemblance is uncanny.

So the only engineering effort was stealing American guidance technologies.

All of the above is white washed by the MSM, the Left, and Academe.

Even the Pentagon does not want to dwell on the Crisis.