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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/04/05/trump-on-making-mexico-pay/#comment-1058782</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Neo -- It&#039;s not a tax, I&#039;m talking about fully creditable withholding.

Actually, the IRS probably has the power now to order 30% withholding on all remittances (IRC Sec. 1441), but it might have to issue deficiency notices to everyone making such a remittance, or even better (if it had the computer capacity to do so) run the name and social security number (Hah!) against the list of filers and issue a jeopardy assessment against any who don&#039;t have SSNs or don&#039;t file returns.  

However, if you think that&#039;s an unwarranted exercise of the IRS&#039;s power, do you think any Congressperson could be found to vote against a withholding tax on remittances?  (Excluding Sen. Sanders, of course.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo &#8212; It&#8217;s not a tax, I&#8217;m talking about fully creditable withholding.</p>
<p>Actually, the IRS probably has the power now to order 30% withholding on all remittances (IRC Sec. 1441), but it might have to issue deficiency notices to everyone making such a remittance, or even better (if it had the computer capacity to do so) run the name and social security number (Hah!) against the list of filers and issue a jeopardy assessment against any who don&#8217;t have SSNs or don&#8217;t file returns.  </p>
<p>However, if you think that&#8217;s an unwarranted exercise of the IRS&#8217;s power, do you think any Congressperson could be found to vote against a withholding tax on remittances?  (Excluding Sen. Sanders, of course.)</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 15:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot; David Foster Says:
April 5th, 2016 at 8:27 pm

DNW–re cultural hostility to manufacturing…I discussed this topic at length in my post Faux Manufacturing Nostalgia:

http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/11680.html&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


The attitude you cover is widespread. And as you point out the reasons behind the attitude are various. 

For some it is as if they equate all of manufacturing with the low IQ potbellied teenaged shamblers who were shunted into shop and &quot;practical math&quot; class as a kind of dumping ground for the project of mass education.

The fact is that those guys were likely no more fitted to become tool and die men than they were electrical engineers or medical doctors.

Tightening the bolts on rear deck lid brackets for 8 to 10 hours? loading a fixture with a cover plate and pulling the handle of a Natco gang drill again and again? Well, that might be something they could do to earn money honestly, however  miserable the work might be.

And because semi-automated manufacturing and assembly at one point emphasized a high degree of division of labor and repetitive rote work, it absorbed many of these brainless types and kept them off the streets. Of course they were sometimes about as useful to corrupt and self-dealing union leaderships as they were to their employers.

There is a theory that the stupid can be as morally edified as anyone else, that moral sense is a different faculty than the intellect, so to speak; and that the dull therefore do not deserve ostracism and marginalization -done  in self-defense one might say.

I don&#039;t know myself ...

At one extreme the self-regarding effete &quot;elite&quot;, who are proudly clueless when it comes to the material foundation and contingency of their own lives; at the other, those who have to be constantly reminded to close their mouths because there are flies, about.

And trapped in between, by their own civility and tender consciences, are the rest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8221; David Foster Says:<br />
April 5th, 2016 at 8:27 pm</p>
<p>DNW–re cultural hostility to manufacturing…I discussed this topic at length in my post Faux Manufacturing Nostalgia:</p>
<p><a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/11680.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/11680.html</a>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>The attitude you cover is widespread. And as you point out the reasons behind the attitude are various. </p>
<p>For some it is as if they equate all of manufacturing with the low IQ potbellied teenaged shamblers who were shunted into shop and &#8220;practical math&#8221; class as a kind of dumping ground for the project of mass education.</p>
<p>The fact is that those guys were likely no more fitted to become tool and die men than they were electrical engineers or medical doctors.</p>
<p>Tightening the bolts on rear deck lid brackets for 8 to 10 hours? loading a fixture with a cover plate and pulling the handle of a Natco gang drill again and again? Well, that might be something they could do to earn money honestly, however  miserable the work might be.</p>
<p>And because semi-automated manufacturing and assembly at one point emphasized a high degree of division of labor and repetitive rote work, it absorbed many of these brainless types and kept them off the streets. Of course they were sometimes about as useful to corrupt and self-dealing union leaderships as they were to their employers.</p>
<p>There is a theory that the stupid can be as morally edified as anyone else, that moral sense is a different faculty than the intellect, so to speak; and that the dull therefore do not deserve ostracism and marginalization -done  in self-defense one might say.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know myself &#8230;</p>
<p>At one extreme the self-regarding effete &#8220;elite&#8221;, who are proudly clueless when it comes to the material foundation and contingency of their own lives; at the other, those who have to be constantly reminded to close their mouths because there are flies, about.</p>
<p>And trapped in between, by their own civility and tender consciences, are the rest.</p>
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		By: JuliB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 13:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also - selling off federal assets has been a long standing libertarian belief.  I think having a fire sale would be a bad thing, but the trend should be reversed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also &#8211; selling off federal assets has been a long standing libertarian belief.  I think having a fire sale would be a bad thing, but the trend should be reversed.</p>
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		By: JuliB		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/04/05/trump-on-making-mexico-pay/#comment-1058443</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 13:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m feeling cynical this morning.  I&#039;ve long thought that we&#039;re having a Reality Election.  But as I read your post neo, I realized that this really is a parody.  Trump offers a poorly thought out idea, then people analyze it and discuss it.  Other people call it like they see it - &#039;he&#039;s just mouthing off, and it means nothing&#039;.  This smaller group knows for sure that it would just be a starting point, and would evolve into something completely different if elected.  Or even next week - who knows.

But the same thing happens with the serious candidates.  They make these promises/stated intentions, put up policy opinions on their website, then get elected and things evolve into something different.

Trump&#039;s campaign is an entertaining parody of our system.

If I were conspiracy minded, I would say that the global elite is bringing bread and circuses to our election and governing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m feeling cynical this morning.  I&#8217;ve long thought that we&#8217;re having a Reality Election.  But as I read your post neo, I realized that this really is a parody.  Trump offers a poorly thought out idea, then people analyze it and discuss it.  Other people call it like they see it &#8211; &#8216;he&#8217;s just mouthing off, and it means nothing&#8217;.  This smaller group knows for sure that it would just be a starting point, and would evolve into something completely different if elected.  Or even next week &#8211; who knows.</p>
<p>But the same thing happens with the serious candidates.  They make these promises/stated intentions, put up policy opinions on their website, then get elected and things evolve into something different.</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s campaign is an entertaining parody of our system.</p>
<p>If I were conspiracy minded, I would say that the global elite is bringing bread and circuses to our election and governing.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 04:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump has absolutely zero understanding about the national debt and the unfunded welfare state liabilities. ZERO as in zlich. To his sole credit, no other candidates for POTUS has any clue about the drastic measures required to address the problem. It will not be adequately addressed. It must collapse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump has absolutely zero understanding about the national debt and the unfunded welfare state liabilities. ZERO as in zlich. To his sole credit, no other candidates for POTUS has any clue about the drastic measures required to address the problem. It will not be adequately addressed. It must collapse.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders:

Do you think a tax can be imposed by executive fiat?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>Do you think a tax can be imposed by executive fiat?</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/04/05/trump-on-making-mexico-pay/#comment-1057468</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[blert,

If you asked DJT about Andrew Jackson you would receive a blank stare or at most a he was great like I am YUGE! response.  Comparing Trump to Jackson is IMO is a dead end street. There is no there there simply because DJT is as dumb as a stump when it comes to history. Why? Because history began with his birth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blert,</p>
<p>If you asked DJT about Andrew Jackson you would receive a blank stare or at most a he was great like I am YUGE! response.  Comparing Trump to Jackson is IMO is a dead end street. There is no there there simply because DJT is as dumb as a stump when it comes to history. Why? Because history began with his birth.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/04/05/trump-on-making-mexico-pay/#comment-1057375</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 02:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Foster -- No surprise there -- it&#039;s the Eloi vs. the Morlocks.  Wells was a genius!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Foster &#8212; No surprise there &#8212; it&#8217;s the Eloi vs. the Morlocks.  Wells was a genius!</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 02:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s absolutely nothing wrong, unconstitutional, or even unusual about imposing a withholding tax on remittances to Mexico -- or anywhere else for that matter.  The US already imposes withholding taxes on income paid to most non-US payees, at rates from 5% to 30%.  I have been predicting withholding on remittances for a long time.

Of course, those persons who file income tax returns will be able to use the withholding as a credit, just as nonresidents do now.  If they  never file returns, well, too bad.

Will there be people who try to evade the withholding?  Of course.  Are there people who try to evade taxes now?  Of course.  Does that mean we stop collecting taxes?  No.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s absolutely nothing wrong, unconstitutional, or even unusual about imposing a withholding tax on remittances to Mexico &#8212; or anywhere else for that matter.  The US already imposes withholding taxes on income paid to most non-US payees, at rates from 5% to 30%.  I have been predicting withholding on remittances for a long time.</p>
<p>Of course, those persons who file income tax returns will be able to use the withholding as a credit, just as nonresidents do now.  If they  never file returns, well, too bad.</p>
<p>Will there be people who try to evade the withholding?  Of course.  Are there people who try to evade taxes now?  Of course.  Does that mean we stop collecting taxes?  No.</p>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/04/05/trump-on-making-mexico-pay/#comment-1057212</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW---re cultural hostility to manufacturing...I discussed this topic at length in my post Faux Manufacturing Nostalgia:

http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/11680.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW&#8212;re cultural hostility to manufacturing&#8230;I discussed this topic at length in my post Faux Manufacturing Nostalgia:</p>
<p><a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/11680.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/11680.html</a></p>
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