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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/03/26/surrender-dorothy/#comment-1039679</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[I might add that KSA keeps adding additional pipeline links -- all terminating at Yanbu -- doing everything possible to eliminate the Strait of Hormuz from the strategic picture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might add that KSA keeps adding additional pipeline links &#8212; all terminating at Yanbu &#8212; doing everything possible to eliminate the Strait of Hormuz from the strategic picture.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/03/26/surrender-dorothy/#comment-1039666</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2016 14:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgrs Says:
March 28th, 2016 at 8:58 am

blert Says: the Saudis are losing far, far, far more money than the American frackers.

true,and they are ruining their wells because if they keep pumping faster than the well flow, water gets into the wells…

but the saudies own the wells as family, and can look at finances as a family whole over decades. while the companies in the usa can only look at it as regular business wiht loans and things that can shut them down, but will intead cause consolidation.

the major difference between their oil and other sources is that theirs is light and pumps itself out of the ground rather than needing complicated pumps and fracking (which has almost been around the oil business not long after the start when it sought to replace whale oil with kerosene, then wanted a use for a waste product called gasoline)

&#038;&#038;&#038;&#038;&#038;&#038;

You are decades out of date, my friend.

The Saudis have largely run out of light, sweet crude.

They&#039;ve long ago pumped it and sold it.

The Yanbu middle distillate refinery was built EXACTLY because of this reality.

As far back as forty-years ago, ARAMCO was pressuring the four founders to take more heavy, sour crude.

At this time, and for some years now, America has been purchasing nothing but the heavy, sour crude from KSA.

And at a DISCOUNT.

Entire, world-scale, refineries have been built// modified to accept that feed. ( They are all on the Gulf Coast and the LOOP figures huge in their operations. )

Louisiana Offshore Oil Port ( Platform )

The VLCC transit from Yanbu to LOOP over and over.

Yanbu is on the Red Sea, and is immune to Iran... mostly.

The dust up in Yemen is a DIRECT threat to Yanbu&#039;s shipments.

Yanbu has supplanted Ras Tanura as KSA&#039;s most critical oil export terminal.

1) Deeper water

2) Away from Iran

3) Suitable for ULCC that head off towards Japan, China and Korea]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgrs Says:<br />
March 28th, 2016 at 8:58 am</p>
<p>blert Says: the Saudis are losing far, far, far more money than the American frackers.</p>
<p>true,and they are ruining their wells because if they keep pumping faster than the well flow, water gets into the wells…</p>
<p>but the saudies own the wells as family, and can look at finances as a family whole over decades. while the companies in the usa can only look at it as regular business wiht loans and things that can shut them down, but will intead cause consolidation.</p>
<p>the major difference between their oil and other sources is that theirs is light and pumps itself out of the ground rather than needing complicated pumps and fracking (which has almost been around the oil business not long after the start when it sought to replace whale oil with kerosene, then wanted a use for a waste product called gasoline)</p>
<p>&amp;&amp;&amp;&amp;&amp;&amp;</p>
<p>You are decades out of date, my friend.</p>
<p>The Saudis have largely run out of light, sweet crude.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve long ago pumped it and sold it.</p>
<p>The Yanbu middle distillate refinery was built EXACTLY because of this reality.</p>
<p>As far back as forty-years ago, ARAMCO was pressuring the four founders to take more heavy, sour crude.</p>
<p>At this time, and for some years now, America has been purchasing nothing but the heavy, sour crude from KSA.</p>
<p>And at a DISCOUNT.</p>
<p>Entire, world-scale, refineries have been built// modified to accept that feed. ( They are all on the Gulf Coast and the LOOP figures huge in their operations. )</p>
<p>Louisiana Offshore Oil Port ( Platform )</p>
<p>The VLCC transit from Yanbu to LOOP over and over.</p>
<p>Yanbu is on the Red Sea, and is immune to Iran&#8230; mostly.</p>
<p>The dust up in Yemen is a DIRECT threat to Yanbu&#8217;s shipments.</p>
<p>Yanbu has supplanted Ras Tanura as KSA&#8217;s most critical oil export terminal.</p>
<p>1) Deeper water</p>
<p>2) Away from Iran</p>
<p>3) Suitable for ULCC that head off towards Japan, China and Korea</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/03/26/surrender-dorothy/#comment-1035524</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I won&#039;t submit Says: 
March 27th, 2016 at 11:58 am
&quot;To paraphrase Mark Steyn, if legitimate politicians WON´T address the voters´ issues, the voters will turn to illegitimate politicians.&quot;

 - indeed; this is part, if not most, of the source of Trump&#039;s rise.
In the extreme (addressing neo&#039;s posts on moderate Muslim, or the apparent lack thereof): if politicians won&#039;t address reasonable defenses against jihadi terrorists, their constituents will start imposing (what the politicians consider to be) unreasonable ones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t submit Says:<br />
March 27th, 2016 at 11:58 am<br />
&#8220;To paraphrase Mark Steyn, if legitimate politicians WON´T address the voters´ issues, the voters will turn to illegitimate politicians.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8211; indeed; this is part, if not most, of the source of Trump&#8217;s rise.<br />
In the extreme (addressing neo&#8217;s posts on moderate Muslim, or the apparent lack thereof): if politicians won&#8217;t address reasonable defenses against jihadi terrorists, their constituents will start imposing (what the politicians consider to be) unreasonable ones.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/03/26/surrender-dorothy/#comment-1035510</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nick Says: 
March 27th, 2016 at 9:04 am
...
This’ll be the time for Ted Cruz to swallow his pride, &lt;em&gt;throw away his principles, and put a Mitch McConnell on the ticket. &lt;/em&gt;Every undecided delegate gets a new highway or a post office. Their kids get Capitol Hill internships. Anyone want a VA hospital named after their dad? “Statehood for the Northern Marianas!”

A good candidate brings in expertise that he’s lacking. Cruz has no natural skill at buttering up pols and using the national trust as a slush fund. This is Trump’s wheelhouse.
* * *
Cruz is already sliding into the &quot;RINO&quot; camp with his recent endorsers; this would seal the deal for Trump.
(Beg pardon if you are sarc&#039;ing us here, Nick.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Says:<br />
March 27th, 2016 at 9:04 am<br />
&#8230;<br />
This’ll be the time for Ted Cruz to swallow his pride, <em>throw away his principles, and put a Mitch McConnell on the ticket. </em>Every undecided delegate gets a new highway or a post office. Their kids get Capitol Hill internships. Anyone want a VA hospital named after their dad? “Statehood for the Northern Marianas!”</p>
<p>A good candidate brings in expertise that he’s lacking. Cruz has no natural skill at buttering up pols and using the national trust as a slush fund. This is Trump’s wheelhouse.<br />
* * *<br />
Cruz is already sliding into the &#8220;RINO&#8221; camp with his recent endorsers; this would seal the deal for Trump.<br />
(Beg pardon if you are sarc&#8217;ing us here, Nick.)</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/03/26/surrender-dorothy/#comment-1034005</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob_CA said:
&lt;b&gt;Then the Trumpers here like “submit” think this is brilliant. Trump mania is a mental disorder.&lt;/b&gt;

+1000
This is the same 3D chess bullshit we heard about Obama, only with an extra heaping of sanctimony because we &quot;just weren&#039;t smart enough to understand what he was doing.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob_CA said:<br />
<b>Then the Trumpers here like “submit” think this is brilliant. Trump mania is a mental disorder.</b></p>
<p>+1000<br />
This is the same 3D chess bullshit we heard about Obama, only with an extra heaping of sanctimony because we &#8220;just weren&#8217;t smart enough to understand what he was doing.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW said:
&lt;b&gt;No, you’re giving me too much credit. I pretty much meant the more superficial interpretation LJB mentioned.&lt;/b&gt;

LOL
It&#039;s an interesting thought nonetheless, but probably far-fetched. It&#039;s true that there were moments and movements of such Millennialism fervor in America&#039;s past, but I doubt that&#039;s the case today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW said:<br />
<b>No, you’re giving me too much credit. I pretty much meant the more superficial interpretation LJB mentioned.</b></p>
<p>LOL<br />
It&#8217;s an interesting thought nonetheless, but probably far-fetched. It&#8217;s true that there were moments and movements of such Millennialism fervor in America&#8217;s past, but I doubt that&#8217;s the case today.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot; Matt_SE Says:
March 26th, 2016 at 9:47 pm

LJB,

There are two ways of looking at that. Either the Evangelicals love God too little (as you’re implying) or love him too much (as I think DNW was implying). He may be saying that they’re trying to bring on the endtimes?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


No, you&#039;re giving me too much credit. I pretty much meant the more superficial interpretation LJB mentioned.

My guess is that Evangelicals are not as uniform a group in their sensibilities moral and otherwise as some might imagine, and I am sure that a great number of Evangelical pastors would be happy to say that to my face.

I know that , having been informed - as I have admitted here before - of just that by an Evangelical pastor; i.e., lots of folks join Evangelical churches for reasons other than the core Gospel message and the theological doctrines associated with Evangelical or traditional Baptist churches.

Now I was not planning on joining. But he looked me in the eye when he more or less observed that: &quot;We pastors occasionally see men here who having hit 30, decided they might as well settle down. But they want a woman who is both good looking &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; relatively unspoiled. And in thus changing their usual dating habits, find themselves dragged to an occasional service here by these girlfriends who are members of our congregation. After he marries her we never see him again.  We call that being &#039;unequally yoked&#039; &quot;

Ahem ...

But among those who do spend time in the Evangelical churches, I suspect that there is the same variety of social motives we used to see attributed to almost all other institutions through which some temporal reward for membership can be derived.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8221; Matt_SE Says:<br />
March 26th, 2016 at 9:47 pm</p>
<p>LJB,</p>
<p>There are two ways of looking at that. Either the Evangelicals love God too little (as you’re implying) or love him too much (as I think DNW was implying). He may be saying that they’re trying to bring on the endtimes?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>No, you&#8217;re giving me too much credit. I pretty much meant the more superficial interpretation LJB mentioned.</p>
<p>My guess is that Evangelicals are not as uniform a group in their sensibilities moral and otherwise as some might imagine, and I am sure that a great number of Evangelical pastors would be happy to say that to my face.</p>
<p>I know that , having been informed &#8211; as I have admitted here before &#8211; of just that by an Evangelical pastor; i.e., lots of folks join Evangelical churches for reasons other than the core Gospel message and the theological doctrines associated with Evangelical or traditional Baptist churches.</p>
<p>Now I was not planning on joining. But he looked me in the eye when he more or less observed that: &#8220;We pastors occasionally see men here who having hit 30, decided they might as well settle down. But they want a woman who is both good looking <i>and</i> relatively unspoiled. And in thus changing their usual dating habits, find themselves dragged to an occasional service here by these girlfriends who are members of our congregation. After he marries her we never see him again.  We call that being &#8216;unequally yoked&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>Ahem &#8230;</p>
<p>But among those who do spend time in the Evangelical churches, I suspect that there is the same variety of social motives we used to see attributed to almost all other institutions through which some temporal reward for membership can be derived.</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/03/26/surrender-dorothy/#comment-1033932</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The point is not about the details of oil supply it is the fact that the idiot Trump throws out statements like the US will stop buying oil from the Saudis without any thought whatsoever about the subtleties discussed here. He is such a megalomaniac narcissist that he thinks that he will force them to do what he wants by the force of his personality. He is totally ignorant about the oil economy and does not care that he is ignorant. Then the Trumpers here like &quot;submit&quot; think this is brilliant. Trump mania is a mental disorder.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is not about the details of oil supply it is the fact that the idiot Trump throws out statements like the US will stop buying oil from the Saudis without any thought whatsoever about the subtleties discussed here. He is such a megalomaniac narcissist that he thinks that he will force them to do what he wants by the force of his personality. He is totally ignorant about the oil economy and does not care that he is ignorant. Then the Trumpers here like &#8220;submit&#8221; think this is brilliant. Trump mania is a mental disorder.</p>
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		By: Artfldgrs		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/03/26/surrender-dorothy/#comment-1033433</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[blert Says: the Saudis are losing far, far, far more money than the American frackers.

true,and they are ruining their wells because if they keep pumping faster than the well flow, water gets into the wells... 

but the saudies own the wells as family, and can look at finances as a family whole over decades. while the companies in the usa can only look at it as regular business wiht loans and things that can shut them down, but will intead cause consolidation. 

the major difference between their oil and other sources is that theirs is light and pumps itself out of the ground rather than needing complicated pumps and fracking (which has almost been around the oil business not long after the start when it sought to replace whale oil with kerosene, then wanted a use for a waste product called gasoline)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blert Says: the Saudis are losing far, far, far more money than the American frackers.</p>
<p>true,and they are ruining their wells because if they keep pumping faster than the well flow, water gets into the wells&#8230; </p>
<p>but the saudies own the wells as family, and can look at finances as a family whole over decades. while the companies in the usa can only look at it as regular business wiht loans and things that can shut them down, but will intead cause consolidation. </p>
<p>the major difference between their oil and other sources is that theirs is light and pumps itself out of the ground rather than needing complicated pumps and fracking (which has almost been around the oil business not long after the start when it sought to replace whale oil with kerosene, then wanted a use for a waste product called gasoline)</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s have a palate cleanser: Christopher Hitchens being scathing about Hillary Clinton:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8PG2mpo58]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s have a palate cleanser: Christopher Hitchens being scathing about Hillary Clinton:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8PG2mpo58" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8PG2mpo58</a></p>
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