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		By: CBI		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/03/22/written-speeches-versus-extemporaneous-remarks/#comment-1023135</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ms. Neo,

I think that we have a lot of overlap in how we view Trump.  I agree with you that in most cases &lt;em&gt;&quot;people act as they feel much more than they act as they think, or as they’d like us to think they would act. Also, I much prefer (as I believe you do) a president with no dichotomy between thinking and feeling, who can express his or her thoughts in cogent and clear words.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I thing that where we differ is our take on this particular case and scenario:  that of Trump as president.  

More precisely, I infer that you believe the risk of Trump often acting highly contrary to his published policy position is extremely high, whereas I believe that the risk is rather less (although higher than, &lt;i&gt;e.g.&lt;/i&gt;, for Cruz, and more akin to, say, McCain).   There is a lot of subjectivity in these risk assessments, and even &lt;i&gt;post facto&lt;/i&gt; it can be difficult to determine if a risk was justified.

I do think that it is reasonably clear that, in cases where Trump&#039;s written policy differs significantly from and is much better than that of the Progressives:  in those cases the likelihood of a better outcome is higher with Trump than with Clinton/Biden/Sanders/etc.   Since there are a fairly large number of these, I find it an easy choice to take a risk on Trump (should he be nominated) than to face a sure negative consequence with Clinton/Biden/etc.  

Whoever (Trump, Cruz, other) gets the nomination, I think that we can be sure that (1) (s)he will be savaged by the Democratic media; (2) the Democratic media will encourage supporters of non-nominees to feel angry, feel hurt, and to stay home or try to form a third pary; (3) there will be (&lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt;) a lot of strong, hurt feelings within the various conservative and Republican groupings that will have to be considered; and (4) the Democratic candidate will be portrayed highly favorably by the Democratic media (including Yahoo and Google).    Just facts of life.  I do cringe when many of us--and the candidates (very much including Trump)--demean the motives of those who disagree.  I appreciate that many, such as you, are wont to stick to issues and make logical cases.  

Within the next few months,  &lt;i&gt;someone&lt;/i&gt; will be nominated, and at best almost 50%--likely more--of us will be disappointed.  How people handle that disappointment will, I think, have a great impact on the outcome in November.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Neo,</p>
<p>I think that we have a lot of overlap in how we view Trump.  I agree with you that in most cases <em>&#8220;people act as they feel much more than they act as they think, or as they’d like us to think they would act. Also, I much prefer (as I believe you do) a president with no dichotomy between thinking and feeling, who can express his or her thoughts in cogent and clear words.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I thing that where we differ is our take on this particular case and scenario:  that of Trump as president.  </p>
<p>More precisely, I infer that you believe the risk of Trump often acting highly contrary to his published policy position is extremely high, whereas I believe that the risk is rather less (although higher than, <i>e.g.</i>, for Cruz, and more akin to, say, McCain).   There is a lot of subjectivity in these risk assessments, and even <i>post facto</i> it can be difficult to determine if a risk was justified.</p>
<p>I do think that it is reasonably clear that, in cases where Trump&#8217;s written policy differs significantly from and is much better than that of the Progressives:  in those cases the likelihood of a better outcome is higher with Trump than with Clinton/Biden/Sanders/etc.   Since there are a fairly large number of these, I find it an easy choice to take a risk on Trump (should he be nominated) than to face a sure negative consequence with Clinton/Biden/etc.  </p>
<p>Whoever (Trump, Cruz, other) gets the nomination, I think that we can be sure that (1) (s)he will be savaged by the Democratic media; (2) the Democratic media will encourage supporters of non-nominees to feel angry, feel hurt, and to stay home or try to form a third pary; (3) there will be (<em>are</em>) a lot of strong, hurt feelings within the various conservative and Republican groupings that will have to be considered; and (4) the Democratic candidate will be portrayed highly favorably by the Democratic media (including Yahoo and Google).    Just facts of life.  I do cringe when many of us&#8211;and the candidates (very much including Trump)&#8211;demean the motives of those who disagree.  I appreciate that many, such as you, are wont to stick to issues and make logical cases.  </p>
<p>Within the next few months,  <i>someone</i> will be nominated, and at best almost 50%&#8211;likely more&#8211;of us will be disappointed.  How people handle that disappointment will, I think, have a great impact on the outcome in November.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 03:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Tales of such private generousness are legends within the Trump employee ranks.&lt;/b&gt;

Aristocrats were often that way as well, good patrons. But they were the patrons and the patronized were still the patronized.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Tales of such private generousness are legends within the Trump employee ranks.</b></p>
<p>Aristocrats were often that way as well, good patrons. But they were the patrons and the patronized were still the patronized.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 01:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan Says:
March 23rd, 2016 at 9:21 pm 

Tales of such private generousness are legends within the Trump employee ranks.

It has been asserted that Trump&#039;s way of instilling pride and performance -- is by way of folded $100 bills that he slips into handshakes for swell performance.

He&#039;s known for putting up recovering employees (from an operation) at his Florida super estate... for weeks at a time.

Clinton is well known for corrupting the media -- by planting her paid agents in the public eye -- pretending to be dis-interested parties -- proclaiming thus and so on matters important to Clinton.

The recent AP piece on how the DoJ is never going to indict her smacks of such somnolent propaganda.

( Nothing to see here, move on, move on, move on... )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan Says:<br />
March 23rd, 2016 at 9:21 pm </p>
<p>Tales of such private generousness are legends within the Trump employee ranks.</p>
<p>It has been asserted that Trump&#8217;s way of instilling pride and performance &#8212; is by way of folded $100 bills that he slips into handshakes for swell performance.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s known for putting up recovering employees (from an operation) at his Florida super estate&#8230; for weeks at a time.</p>
<p>Clinton is well known for corrupting the media &#8212; by planting her paid agents in the public eye &#8212; pretending to be dis-interested parties &#8212; proclaiming thus and so on matters important to Clinton.</p>
<p>The recent AP piece on how the DoJ is never going to indict her smacks of such somnolent propaganda.</p>
<p>( Nothing to see here, move on, move on, move on&#8230; )</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 01:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer Says: 
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:40 am
Aesopfan; I think your user name reveals your affinity for fairy tales. That story you offered is surely one of the first order.

I am having a hard time getting my head around the idea of a “down and out” man wandering onto a beach where he would find DJT grilling. Sooner believe that Jack climbed up a bean stalk and…
***
Yeah, does sound that way.
I just reported what I read.
However, if you want to get a handle on the initial story, he goes by the handle oscarwilde on the (pre FB) Hot Air.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer Says:<br />
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:40 am<br />
Aesopfan; I think your user name reveals your affinity for fairy tales. That story you offered is surely one of the first order.</p>
<p>I am having a hard time getting my head around the idea of a “down and out” man wandering onto a beach where he would find DJT grilling. Sooner believe that Jack climbed up a bean stalk and…<br />
***<br />
Yeah, does sound that way.<br />
I just reported what I read.<br />
However, if you want to get a handle on the initial story, he goes by the handle oscarwilde on the (pre FB) Hot Air.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 20:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CBI:

I think a lot of people are guessing about Trump (including you and me).  You seem to think that Trump would govern more according to how he supposedly &lt;i&gt;thinks&lt;/i&gt;, as expressed by the words he chooses to place on his website, words written by &lt;i&gt;others&lt;/i&gt; for the most part.  You say (and I agree) that his spoken extemporaneous words express how he &lt;i&gt;feels&lt;/i&gt;.  I would also say they express &lt;i&gt;what he REALLY thinks&lt;/i&gt;, as opposed to what he&#039;d like us to &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; he thinks (the written words on his websites).  The spoken extemporaneous word is a guide not just to feeling but to thought.

In general, I find that people act as they feel much more than they act as they think, or as they&#039;d like us to think they would act.  Also, I much prefer (as I believe you do) a president with no dichotomy between thinking and feeling, who can express his or her thoughts in cogent and clear words.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CBI:</p>
<p>I think a lot of people are guessing about Trump (including you and me).  You seem to think that Trump would govern more according to how he supposedly <i>thinks</i>, as expressed by the words he chooses to place on his website, words written by <i>others</i> for the most part.  You say (and I agree) that his spoken extemporaneous words express how he <i>feels</i>.  I would also say they express <i>what he REALLY thinks</i>, as opposed to what he&#8217;d like us to <i>think</i> he thinks (the written words on his websites).  The spoken extemporaneous word is a guide not just to feeling but to thought.</p>
<p>In general, I find that people act as they feel much more than they act as they think, or as they&#8217;d like us to think they would act.  Also, I much prefer (as I believe you do) a president with no dichotomy between thinking and feeling, who can express his or her thoughts in cogent and clear words.</p>
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		By: CBI		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ms. Neo,

I had commented that I pay more attention to a written policy paper than to an off-the-cuff reaction in part because the former is, by definition, better thought out and, therefore, more likely to be implemented over the long run.

You responded:
&lt;i&gt;My answer is very similar to what I wrote in the post: better thought out by whom? Trump often doesn’t even seem to have read his policy statements that are written by others. And I repeat that the ex-post-facto statements are a much better guide to a person’s mind that statements (or speeches) written by others. &lt;/i&gt;

I think that some of the other comments here shed some light on this particular disagreement we have.  I think that Trumps speeches -- which are unscripted and off-the-cuff (no speechwriter) -- present a fair reflection of what he &lt;strong&gt;feels&lt;/strong&gt;.  On the other hand, I believe that the written policies better indicate what he &lt;strong&gt;thinks&lt;/strong&gt; upon reflection and, yes, upon receipt of valued advice.

My impression is that Trump is aware of the significant differences between those two modes, knows that &quot;think&quot; trumps &quot;feel&quot; when one wants results, and would preside in a manner seeking good results.

Since I tend more toward the &quot;say what you think, not what you feel&quot; persuasion, that is one reason I resonate more with Cruz:  that&#039;s how he usually talks in public.   Trump is more on the &quot;feel&quot; side of things in most of his appearances, although at times he does move more into &quot;think&quot; mode.   And, personally, I believe that, when it comes to actions, the &quot;think&quot; should dominate the &quot;feel&quot;--although the latter can help much with motivation.

I have commented elsewhere that Trump has many positions similar to a JFK-Democrat:  lower taxes, border controls, etc.  (I think his policy papers are better than JFK&#039;s would be, but I&#039;ve not done an exhaustive study either.)   Overall, I&#039;m not campaigning for Trump, and prefer Cruz by a good bit.  But I don&#039;t find Trump to be so bad as to warrant the strong &lt;strong&gt;feelings&lt;/strong&gt; so often evident in attacks on him by other conservatives and libertarians.  I believe that, while Cruz would make a better president, Trump would still be much better than Clinton, Biden, Sanders, Warren, or anyone else I can think of from the Democrat stable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Neo,</p>
<p>I had commented that I pay more attention to a written policy paper than to an off-the-cuff reaction in part because the former is, by definition, better thought out and, therefore, more likely to be implemented over the long run.</p>
<p>You responded:<br />
<i>My answer is very similar to what I wrote in the post: better thought out by whom? Trump often doesn’t even seem to have read his policy statements that are written by others. And I repeat that the ex-post-facto statements are a much better guide to a person’s mind that statements (or speeches) written by others. </i></p>
<p>I think that some of the other comments here shed some light on this particular disagreement we have.  I think that Trumps speeches &#8212; which are unscripted and off-the-cuff (no speechwriter) &#8212; present a fair reflection of what he <strong>feels</strong>.  On the other hand, I believe that the written policies better indicate what he <strong>thinks</strong> upon reflection and, yes, upon receipt of valued advice.</p>
<p>My impression is that Trump is aware of the significant differences between those two modes, knows that &#8220;think&#8221; trumps &#8220;feel&#8221; when one wants results, and would preside in a manner seeking good results.</p>
<p>Since I tend more toward the &#8220;say what you think, not what you feel&#8221; persuasion, that is one reason I resonate more with Cruz:  that&#8217;s how he usually talks in public.   Trump is more on the &#8220;feel&#8221; side of things in most of his appearances, although at times he does move more into &#8220;think&#8221; mode.   And, personally, I believe that, when it comes to actions, the &#8220;think&#8221; should dominate the &#8220;feel&#8221;&#8211;although the latter can help much with motivation.</p>
<p>I have commented elsewhere that Trump has many positions similar to a JFK-Democrat:  lower taxes, border controls, etc.  (I think his policy papers are better than JFK&#8217;s would be, but I&#8217;ve not done an exhaustive study either.)   Overall, I&#8217;m not campaigning for Trump, and prefer Cruz by a good bit.  But I don&#8217;t find Trump to be so bad as to warrant the strong <strong>feelings</strong> so often evident in attacks on him by other conservatives and libertarians.  I believe that, while Cruz would make a better president, Trump would still be much better than Clinton, Biden, Sanders, Warren, or anyone else I can think of from the Democrat stable.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 15:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aesopfan; I think your user name reveals your affinity for fairy tales.  That story you offered is surely one of the first order.

I am having a hard time getting my head around the idea of a &quot;down and out&quot; man wandering onto a beach where he would find DJT grilling.  Sooner believe that Jack climbed up a bean stalk and...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aesopfan; I think your user name reveals your affinity for fairy tales.  That story you offered is surely one of the first order.</p>
<p>I am having a hard time getting my head around the idea of a &#8220;down and out&#8221; man wandering onto a beach where he would find DJT grilling.  Sooner believe that Jack climbed up a bean stalk and&#8230;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[expat Says: 
March 22nd, 2016 at 12:08 pm
I’m not a beer drinker, but I’d ratther have one with someone who makes me think, who knows things I don’t and who seems intelligent and thoughtful. I can’ imagine spending more than about 30 seconds with a blowhard like Trump. Somehow, I expect a decent candidate to bring a bit of this thoughtfulness and intelligence to a speech.
***
When I was still commenting at Hot Air (before the shift to FB registration - pox on it!), one of the other commenters relayed a personal memoir of meeting with Trump some years ago under somewhat unusual conditions -- I can&#039;t find the bookmark now, of course -- but the gist of it is that one night, when OW was down-and-out, he wandered down to the beach to eat, cold, a couple of hot dogs, which was all he had.  A man was there alone grilling some steaks, and offered to cook OW&#039;s food along side his, then &quot;accidentally&quot; tipped them into the coals and gave OW steak instead.  They conversed pleasantly and intelligently about a wide-range of subjects (OW, per his commenting record, is very erudite but also well-grounded in reality), and he was very surprised to learn, later, that his genial and generous host was The Donald.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>expat Says:<br />
March 22nd, 2016 at 12:08 pm<br />
I’m not a beer drinker, but I’d ratther have one with someone who makes me think, who knows things I don’t and who seems intelligent and thoughtful. I can’ imagine spending more than about 30 seconds with a blowhard like Trump. Somehow, I expect a decent candidate to bring a bit of this thoughtfulness and intelligence to a speech.<br />
***<br />
When I was still commenting at Hot Air (before the shift to FB registration &#8211; pox on it!), one of the other commenters relayed a personal memoir of meeting with Trump some years ago under somewhat unusual conditions &#8212; I can&#8217;t find the bookmark now, of course &#8212; but the gist of it is that one night, when OW was down-and-out, he wandered down to the beach to eat, cold, a couple of hot dogs, which was all he had.  A man was there alone grilling some steaks, and offered to cook OW&#8217;s food along side his, then &#8220;accidentally&#8221; tipped them into the coals and gave OW steak instead.  They conversed pleasantly and intelligently about a wide-range of subjects (OW, per his commenting record, is very erudite but also well-grounded in reality), and he was very surprised to learn, later, that his genial and generous host was The Donald.<br />
FWIW</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 02:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer,

I conclude Mr. Dino is a saboteur, adept but ill-intentioned, and not alt-right; but an agent of the left. Note his/her recent arrival,  just when the field narrowed. I see K-E and a few other Trump apologists as sincere. I may disagree with them, but we all come across well intentioned people we may disagree with. I detect no sincerity in Mr. Dino. 

His/her reasoning, such as it is, is based upon nothing more coherent than DJT&#039;s recent interview with WaPo.  Populists seek the lowest common denominator. The mob is not prescient, its just a mob blinded by emotion, however understanable the emotion of the mob maybe; it must be resisted. Mr. Dino is not blinded by emotion, he/she has a clear agenda of destruction as does DJT.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer,</p>
<p>I conclude Mr. Dino is a saboteur, adept but ill-intentioned, and not alt-right; but an agent of the left. Note his/her recent arrival,  just when the field narrowed. I see K-E and a few other Trump apologists as sincere. I may disagree with them, but we all come across well intentioned people we may disagree with. I detect no sincerity in Mr. Dino. </p>
<p>His/her reasoning, such as it is, is based upon nothing more coherent than DJT&#8217;s recent interview with WaPo.  Populists seek the lowest common denominator. The mob is not prescient, its just a mob blinded by emotion, however understanable the emotion of the mob maybe; it must be resisted. Mr. Dino is not blinded by emotion, he/she has a clear agenda of destruction as does DJT.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 00:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did you guys see that letter ostensibly written by Trump about the US territories?  I may have been pointed to it originally from this site, actually.  Anyway, it&#039;s a good reason to take position papers with a grain of salt:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/16/trump-appears-to-have-heavily-plagiarized-op-ed-from-carson/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you guys see that letter ostensibly written by Trump about the US territories?  I may have been pointed to it originally from this site, actually.  Anyway, it&#8217;s a good reason to take position papers with a grain of salt:</p>
<p><a href="http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/16/trump-appears-to-have-heavily-plagiarized-op-ed-from-carson/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/16/trump-appears-to-have-heavily-plagiarized-op-ed-from-carson/</a></p>
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