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		By: OriginalFrank		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2016 16:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ever since 2008, I&#039;ve taken comfort in thinking that commu-facism (maybe more correctly, total statism) isn&#039;t about to descend since there have been no brownshirts in sight.

They showed up in Chicago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since 2008, I&#8217;ve taken comfort in thinking that commu-facism (maybe more correctly, total statism) isn&#8217;t about to descend since there have been no brownshirts in sight.</p>
<p>They showed up in Chicago.</p>
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		By: mf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoops.

Wrong thread.

Correctly posted here:
http://neoneocon.com/2016/03/12/describing-the-trump-voter/#comment-997501]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops.</p>
<p>Wrong thread.</p>
<p>Correctly posted here:<br />
<a href="http://neoneocon.com/2016/03/12/describing-the-trump-voter/#comment-997501" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neoneocon.com/2016/03/12/describing-the-trump-voter/#comment-997501</a></p>
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		By: mf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

Wonder if Trump&#039;s seen the movie?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p>Wonder if Trump&#8217;s seen the movie?</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_SE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2016 04:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big Maq Says: 
&lt;b&gt;It just seems that the tone and temperament that Trump engages in to motive his supporters is the very thing that motivates radical groups opposed to do these things, especially members of his rhetorical target groups and their sympathizers.&lt;/b&gt;

I think I said this here before:
The problem with Trump, but especially his supporters, is that they are like enraged bulls. That makes them very easy to manipulate through provocation.
It&#039;s exactly like the Palestinians and Israelis.

Trump&#039;s rallies will be the only ones attacked because they are the only ones where the left will get a response. If this is attempted at another candidate&#039;s rally, the BLM folks will look like dicks by comparison.

BTW, part of this that irks the shit out of me is the idea that I&#039;m being manipulated by Trump as well. That man doesn&#039;t give a shit about the 1st amendment, but he&#039;s wrapping himself in the constitution, and his supporters are maligning everyone who doesn&#039;t rush to their aid.

They are putting all the rest of us reasonable people into an untenable moral dilemma, and I don&#039;t like it one bit.
The hypocrisy of it stinks, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Maq Says:<br />
<b>It just seems that the tone and temperament that Trump engages in to motive his supporters is the very thing that motivates radical groups opposed to do these things, especially members of his rhetorical target groups and their sympathizers.</b></p>
<p>I think I said this here before:<br />
The problem with Trump, but especially his supporters, is that they are like enraged bulls. That makes them very easy to manipulate through provocation.<br />
It&#8217;s exactly like the Palestinians and Israelis.</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s rallies will be the only ones attacked because they are the only ones where the left will get a response. If this is attempted at another candidate&#8217;s rally, the BLM folks will look like dicks by comparison.</p>
<p>BTW, part of this that irks the shit out of me is the idea that I&#8217;m being manipulated by Trump as well. That man doesn&#8217;t give a shit about the 1st amendment, but he&#8217;s wrapping himself in the constitution, and his supporters are maligning everyone who doesn&#8217;t rush to their aid.</p>
<p>They are putting all the rest of us reasonable people into an untenable moral dilemma, and I don&#8217;t like it one bit.<br />
The hypocrisy of it stinks, too.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beverly:
&quot;Folks, we’re going to get rolled and kicked in the head until we’re spent, or we fight back. &lt;b&gt;Somehow or other&lt;/b&gt;, we’ll have to get tough with the enemy within.&quot;

&quot;Somehow or other&quot;?

The somehow is already known and there is no other way. Play the game - it&#039;s the only social cultural/political game there is.

Social activist movement versus social activist movement, head-on competition, throughout the arena. 

Activism isn&#039;t the Left&#039;s game. It&#039;s the people&#039;s game that always available to anyone for any cause. 

It only looks like the Left&#039;s game when they&#039;re running up the score unmolested on a field that&#039;s been left open by conservatives who restrict themselves to tut-tutting, finger-shaming, and stink-eyeing the Left while blaming the GOP for conservatives&#039; own neglect. 

In fact, the Left is beatable in the activist game, just like any human beings are in any prosaic nuts-and-bolts worldly competition. But they&#039;re only beatable once you compete with them for real.

Now that they&#039;ve lightly scrimmaged for the 1st  time versus the varsity Democrat-front Left, will the &quot;jayvee&quot; Left-mimicking Trump-front alt-Right activists up their game? Or, will it turn out that they&#039;re only capable of bullying easy-picking conservatives who mostly defeat themselves in the activist game?

Again, there is only one somehow and there is no other way to compete for real. Collective embrace of Marxist-method activism by conservatives. 

Stride into the arena zealously committed as a team to compete head-on with all comers, whether Left or alt-Right, and any one else championing an incompatible social condition. 

Like any people, they&#039;re all beatable, but only when you play to win the game.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly:<br />
&#8220;Folks, we’re going to get rolled and kicked in the head until we’re spent, or we fight back. <b>Somehow or other</b>, we’ll have to get tough with the enemy within.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Somehow or other&#8221;?</p>
<p>The somehow is already known and there is no other way. Play the game &#8211; it&#8217;s the only social cultural/political game there is.</p>
<p>Social activist movement versus social activist movement, head-on competition, throughout the arena. </p>
<p>Activism isn&#8217;t the Left&#8217;s game. It&#8217;s the people&#8217;s game that always available to anyone for any cause. </p>
<p>It only looks like the Left&#8217;s game when they&#8217;re running up the score unmolested on a field that&#8217;s been left open by conservatives who restrict themselves to tut-tutting, finger-shaming, and stink-eyeing the Left while blaming the GOP for conservatives&#8217; own neglect. </p>
<p>In fact, the Left is beatable in the activist game, just like any human beings are in any prosaic nuts-and-bolts worldly competition. But they&#8217;re only beatable once you compete with them for real.</p>
<p>Now that they&#8217;ve lightly scrimmaged for the 1st  time versus the varsity Democrat-front Left, will the &#8220;jayvee&#8221; Left-mimicking Trump-front alt-Right activists up their game? Or, will it turn out that they&#8217;re only capable of bullying easy-picking conservatives who mostly defeat themselves in the activist game?</p>
<p>Again, there is only one somehow and there is no other way to compete for real. Collective embrace of Marxist-method activism by conservatives. </p>
<p>Stride into the arena zealously committed as a team to compete head-on with all comers, whether Left or alt-Right, and any one else championing an incompatible social condition. </p>
<p>Like any people, they&#8217;re all beatable, but only when you play to win the game.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To all those saying it is all on the radical leftists, don&#039;t think that is a correct assessment.
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Maybe memory is short, but don&#039;t recall any such thing happening to this extent for GOP candidates in 2000, 2004, 2008, or 2012.
.
Yes, we can point to all kinds of other events in recent times, but why Trump and why now, rather than else-when for nomination campaigns over the last 16 years?
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This just seems very different in its context that is hard to put a finger on other than to say...
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It just seems that the tone and temperament that Trump engages in to motive his supporters is the very thing that motivates radical groups opposed to do these things, especially members of his rhetorical target groups and their sympathizers.
.
Scratch the surface of some of the justification for supporting Trump, and one wonders if there is not some desire to forcefully impose some view on everyone else, to be found.
.
The red flags hinting so, are to be found everywhere, coupled with a steadfast refusal by many admitted &quot;very angry&quot; supporters to even debate the issues, policy proposals, heck, even basic facts, and we have a recipe for more violence to come.
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It is visceral that this is different...very different from anything most of us have experienced in our lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all those saying it is all on the radical leftists, don&#8217;t think that is a correct assessment.<br />
.<br />
Maybe memory is short, but don&#8217;t recall any such thing happening to this extent for GOP candidates in 2000, 2004, 2008, or 2012.<br />
.<br />
Yes, we can point to all kinds of other events in recent times, but why Trump and why now, rather than else-when for nomination campaigns over the last 16 years?<br />
.<br />
This just seems very different in its context that is hard to put a finger on other than to say&#8230;<br />
.<br />
It just seems that the tone and temperament that Trump engages in to motive his supporters is the very thing that motivates radical groups opposed to do these things, especially members of his rhetorical target groups and their sympathizers.<br />
.<br />
Scratch the surface of some of the justification for supporting Trump, and one wonders if there is not some desire to forcefully impose some view on everyone else, to be found.<br />
.<br />
The red flags hinting so, are to be found everywhere, coupled with a steadfast refusal by many admitted &#8220;very angry&#8221; supporters to even debate the issues, policy proposals, heck, even basic facts, and we have a recipe for more violence to come.<br />
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It is visceral that this is different&#8230;very different from anything most of us have experienced in our lives.</p>
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		By: SCOTTtheBADGER		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2016 07:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sdffer, I forgot about Wallace!

Geoffrey Britain, Point taken,  I was only referring to candidates, but yes, Reagan was shot, and Squeaky, and Sara Jane Moore tried to get Gerry Ford. Again, leftists, and or Lunatics. 

I don&#039;t think Hillary will survive the campaign. She has had more than one stroke already, and she has never been in a Presidential campaign where she was the target before, the current primary season being handed to her. Once she gets real stress, I suspect that she will stroke out. Which would probably be the best thing for all concerned, as a Hillary Administration would be Corruption, Inc unleashed to the point that I am not sure the country would survive, at least not in it&#039;s current form. Twelve years of Chicago politics is a lot to ask of a nation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sdffer, I forgot about Wallace!</p>
<p>Geoffrey Britain, Point taken,  I was only referring to candidates, but yes, Reagan was shot, and Squeaky, and Sara Jane Moore tried to get Gerry Ford. Again, leftists, and or Lunatics. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Hillary will survive the campaign. She has had more than one stroke already, and she has never been in a Presidential campaign where she was the target before, the current primary season being handed to her. Once she gets real stress, I suspect that she will stroke out. Which would probably be the best thing for all concerned, as a Hillary Administration would be Corruption, Inc unleashed to the point that I am not sure the country would survive, at least not in it&#8217;s current form. Twelve years of Chicago politics is a lot to ask of a nation.</p>
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		By: SCOTTtheBADGER		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2016 07:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sdffer, I forgot about Wallace!

Geoffrey Britain, Point taken,  I was only referring to candidates, but yes, Reagan was shot, and Squeaky, and Sara Jane Moore tried to get Gerry Ford. Again, leftists, and or Lunatics. 

I don&#039;t think Hillary will survive the campaign. She has more than one stroke already, and she has never been in a Presidential campaign where she was the target before, the current primary season being handed to her. Once she gets real stress, I suspect that she will stroke out. Which would probably be the best thing for all concerned, as a Hillary Administration would be Corruption, Inc unleashed to the point that I am not sure the country would survive, at least not in it&#039;s current form. Twelve years of Chicago politics is a lot to ask of a nation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sdffer, I forgot about Wallace!</p>
<p>Geoffrey Britain, Point taken,  I was only referring to candidates, but yes, Reagan was shot, and Squeaky, and Sara Jane Moore tried to get Gerry Ford. Again, leftists, and or Lunatics. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Hillary will survive the campaign. She has more than one stroke already, and she has never been in a Presidential campaign where she was the target before, the current primary season being handed to her. Once she gets real stress, I suspect that she will stroke out. Which would probably be the best thing for all concerned, as a Hillary Administration would be Corruption, Inc unleashed to the point that I am not sure the country would survive, at least not in it&#8217;s current form. Twelve years of Chicago politics is a lot to ask of a nation.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2016 05:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At the Belmont Club, &quot;sevenwheel&quot; said this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;

I have a few facebook friends who are lefties. One of the reasons I like to keep them in my feed is to get a window into what is going through *their* social media.

This was planned from the moment the tickets were released. I saw multiple left-wing sites calling on anti-Trumpers to reserve blocks of tickets so they could disrupt the event. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if half the tickets went to the rioters.

Reports are that the plan was that dozens of rioters were to position themselves close to the stage, and rush the stage on a predetermined signal to attack the candidate. This would likely have triggered the use of deadly force by the Secret Service to protect Mr. Trump, and a violent riot would have likely followed, with Trump supporters and rioters likely being injured or killed in the arena and on the streets outside.

Cancelling the event was absolutely the right move. The American people, and especially the people of Chicago, need to respond to what just happened. The proper venue for that response is in the polling place on Tuesday. For better or for worse.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the Belmont Club, &#8220;sevenwheel&#8221; said this:</p>
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<p>I have a few facebook friends who are lefties. One of the reasons I like to keep them in my feed is to get a window into what is going through *their* social media.</p>
<p>This was planned from the moment the tickets were released. I saw multiple left-wing sites calling on anti-Trumpers to reserve blocks of tickets so they could disrupt the event. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if half the tickets went to the rioters.</p>
<p>Reports are that the plan was that dozens of rioters were to position themselves close to the stage, and rush the stage on a predetermined signal to attack the candidate. This would likely have triggered the use of deadly force by the Secret Service to protect Mr. Trump, and a violent riot would have likely followed, with Trump supporters and rioters likely being injured or killed in the arena and on the streets outside.</p>
<p>Cancelling the event was absolutely the right move. The American people, and especially the people of Chicago, need to respond to what just happened. The proper venue for that response is in the polling place on Tuesday. For better or for worse.
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2016 05:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Election 2016.  Choose your poison.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Election 2016.  Choose your poison.</p>
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