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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 23:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I realize that here isn&#039;t time in that debate format for actual discussion, but I just wish one of them, or even, heaven forfend, the moderator, had said, &quot;Tell us, Mr. Trump, what you would do if the Director of National Intelligence came into your office, thumped his fist on the desk, and said, &quot;It&#039;s a slam dunk, Mr. President, that Country X has weapons of mass destruction, and every other intelligence agency in the world agrees.&quot;

I can only hope that Trump&#039;s lefty positions, obnoxious behavior,  and thin skin will lead to his downfall.  With all respect, Trumpsters, how can you support a man whose closing statement is, &quot;Vote for me because I&#039;m rich!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that here isn&#8217;t time in that debate format for actual discussion, but I just wish one of them, or even, heaven forfend, the moderator, had said, &#8220;Tell us, Mr. Trump, what you would do if the Director of National Intelligence came into your office, thumped his fist on the desk, and said, &#8220;It&#8217;s a slam dunk, Mr. President, that Country X has weapons of mass destruction, and every other intelligence agency in the world agrees.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can only hope that Trump&#8217;s lefty positions, obnoxious behavior,  and thin skin will lead to his downfall.  With all respect, Trumpsters, how can you support a man whose closing statement is, &#8220;Vote for me because I&#8217;m rich!&#8221;</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yancey is in accord with what many people have been saying, that it is not strategic for Obama to make a recess appointment even if he does have the power.  Whether he does is another question based on the uncertain nature of the current Senate recess.  See Glenn Reynolds&#039; Instapundit blog for some discussions of this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yancey is in accord with what many people have been saying, that it is not strategic for Obama to make a recess appointment even if he does have the power.  Whether he does is another question based on the uncertain nature of the current Senate recess.  See Glenn Reynolds&#8217; Instapundit blog for some discussions of this.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 16:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As i said .... worst. 

Relitigating something we all know yet refusing to see you and Trump are behaving badly.  

It&#039;s over for Trump. Each time he does this he loses a percent and his negatives go up.  

As Rubio said,  thank God Bush was in office and not Gore]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As i said &#8230;. worst. </p>
<p>Relitigating something we all know yet refusing to see you and Trump are behaving badly.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s over for Trump. Each time he does this he loses a percent and his negatives go up.  </p>
<p>As Rubio said,  thank God Bush was in office and not Gore</p>
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		By: Yancey Ward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yancey Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama will not attempt a recess appointment since it would give Republicans free pass on denying a permanent appointment until after the next election.  Remember, recess appointments expire after the end of a Congress which in this case is next January.  The benefits to progressives of Obama doing a recess appointment are minimal since most of the important cases before the court this session already favor them at the lower court level, and a 4-4 tie is just as good as a 5-4 win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama will not attempt a recess appointment since it would give Republicans free pass on denying a permanent appointment until after the next election.  Remember, recess appointments expire after the end of a Congress which in this case is next January.  The benefits to progressives of Obama doing a recess appointment are minimal since most of the important cases before the court this session already favor them at the lower court level, and a 4-4 tie is just as good as a 5-4 win.</p>
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		By: LJB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LJB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 08:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;There’s never been behavior even remotely like Trump’s in a debate, never. &quot;

None that I have seen in my lifetime.  Spent a fair portion of the debate in shock at what I was witnessing. And the tweets on the split screen seemed pretty shocked as well, esp. Frank Luntz.  

I could never have pictured 1) a candidate that would do this and 2) moderators that had so little control over both the flow of the debate and the audience &quot;participation&quot;.  

I thought the ABC debate was so poorly managed that Peter Jennings was turning in his grave, but this was even worse.  And yet, CBSN will spin it as a &quot;ratings&quot; success, I&#039;ll wager.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s never been behavior even remotely like Trump’s in a debate, never. &#8221;</p>
<p>None that I have seen in my lifetime.  Spent a fair portion of the debate in shock at what I was witnessing. And the tweets on the split screen seemed pretty shocked as well, esp. Frank Luntz.  </p>
<p>I could never have pictured 1) a candidate that would do this and 2) moderators that had so little control over both the flow of the debate and the audience &#8220;participation&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I thought the ABC debate was so poorly managed that Peter Jennings was turning in his grave, but this was even worse.  And yet, CBSN will spin it as a &#8220;ratings&#8221; success, I&#8217;ll wager.</p>
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		By: PatD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PatD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 08:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@neo-neocon:

Trump&#039;s response was to Jeb, who said that GWB had protected us. Jeb should have added &quot;after 9/11&quot;. Otherwise, he invited the response he got.

There were numerous intelligence failings prior to 9/11. Most of them came about from the Clinton administration. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/apr/15/20040415-094758-5267r/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jamie Gorelick&#039;s wall&lt;/a&gt; was the most infamous (that lady deserves a book documenting her malevolent incompetence. How she ended up on the 9/11 Commission beggars understanding.) 

But 9/11 didn&#039;t come out of the blue. It was preceded by the Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania and the bombing of the USS Cole. The US should have been on high alert and artificial barriers to sharing intelligence should have been removed. 

On that basis, there is cause to assign some culpability to the Bush administration. 

There were also simple administrative failures, since all but one of the hijackers had overstayed their visas. Those failures are also owned the Bush administration.

Hindsight is always perfect, and I don&#039;t blame Bush personally for the failures under his watch. But, mistakes were made, and on his watch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@neo-neocon:</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s response was to Jeb, who said that GWB had protected us. Jeb should have added &#8220;after 9/11&#8221;. Otherwise, he invited the response he got.</p>
<p>There were numerous intelligence failings prior to 9/11. Most of them came about from the Clinton administration. <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/apr/15/20040415-094758-5267r/" rel="nofollow">Jamie Gorelick&#8217;s wall</a> was the most infamous (that lady deserves a book documenting her malevolent incompetence. How she ended up on the 9/11 Commission beggars understanding.) </p>
<p>But 9/11 didn&#8217;t come out of the blue. It was preceded by the Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania and the bombing of the USS Cole. The US should have been on high alert and artificial barriers to sharing intelligence should have been removed. </p>
<p>On that basis, there is cause to assign some culpability to the Bush administration. </p>
<p>There were also simple administrative failures, since all but one of the hijackers had overstayed their visas. Those failures are also owned the Bush administration.</p>
<p>Hindsight is always perfect, and I don&#8217;t blame Bush personally for the failures under his watch. But, mistakes were made, and on his watch.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 07:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those not aware:

McConnell and others have DELIBERATELY kept Congress &quot;in Session&quot; to STOP Barre Seotoro.

I know  that&#039;s a shocker.

But it&#039;s true.

Barry has been denied the ability to effect recess appointments -- for YEARS now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those not aware:</p>
<p>McConnell and others have DELIBERATELY kept Congress &#8220;in Session&#8221; to STOP Barre Seotoro.</p>
<p>I know  that&#8217;s a shocker.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>Barry has been denied the ability to effect recess appointments &#8212; for YEARS now.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 07:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PatD:

It&#039;s interesting that you spend so much time arguing something that has nothing to do with my point.

As I said, if Trump had kept it to criticism of the Iraq war, it wouldn&#039;t be such a big deal. There&#039;s plenty of room for criticism.  But that&#039;s not my objection, which I also made clear.  My objection is &quot;Bush LIED!&quot; and &quot;Towers came down during his REIGN!&quot; 

Leftist madness from your guy.  

No one held a gun to his head and made him say it. He&#039;s said it before, too, all of it.  He believes it.  He hates Bush; I wrote about it all back in October, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-vs.-the-bush-family-an-old-animus/article/1050397&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

The debate format isn&#039;t my favorite by a longshot, as I&#039;ve said many times before.  But it allows for reasoned discussion, up to a point.  There&#039;s never been behavior even remotely like Trump&#039;s in a debate, never.  He is responsible for his behavior, and it&#039;s shocking that you make any excuses for him in that regard.

I am happy to see, however, that you admit he sounded like Code Pink.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PatD:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that you spend so much time arguing something that has nothing to do with my point.</p>
<p>As I said, if Trump had kept it to criticism of the Iraq war, it wouldn&#8217;t be such a big deal. There&#8217;s plenty of room for criticism.  But that&#8217;s not my objection, which I also made clear.  My objection is &#8220;Bush LIED!&#8221; and &#8220;Towers came down during his REIGN!&#8221; </p>
<p>Leftist madness from your guy.  </p>
<p>No one held a gun to his head and made him say it. He&#8217;s said it before, too, all of it.  He believes it.  He hates Bush; I wrote about it all back in October, <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-vs.-the-bush-family-an-old-animus/article/1050397" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>The debate format isn&#8217;t my favorite by a longshot, as I&#8217;ve said many times before.  But it allows for reasoned discussion, up to a point.  There&#8217;s never been behavior even remotely like Trump&#8217;s in a debate, never.  He is responsible for his behavior, and it&#8217;s shocking that you make any excuses for him in that regard.</p>
<p>I am happy to see, however, that you admit he sounded like Code Pink.</p>
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		By: PatD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PatD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 07:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@neo-neocon:

I agree he sounded like code-pink. Or worse. OTOH, he has a valid point. The US spent a hundreds of billions of dollars, maybe trillions, fighting a war that didn&#039;t need to be fought. Bush won a precarious victory, and Obama, in the tradition of the Democrat party, threw it away, just as they did after the Vietnam war. 

I agree Bush didn&#039;t lie about WMD. Saddam lied. He was trying to convince Iran he had WMD while trying to avoid  the sanctions that would be imposed if UN inspectors actually found WMD. Saddam lost when Bush called his bluff. Unfortunately for Bush, and his reputation, Saddam really didn&#039;t have any WMD of significance. 

The problem for Bush supporters was that there was very little evidence to connect Saddam to 9/11. So, going after Saddam to stop him from giving terrorists WMD turned out to be a poor pretext for the Iraq war. I wouldn&#039;t say Bush lied, but he sure got it wrong.

Trump is right when he says deposing Saddam created instability. Saddam was an evil dictator but he balanced evil dictators on two sides. When the US precipitously withdrew on Obama&#039;s watch, that instability manifested itself in Iran&#039;s virtual take-over of Shia Iraq and the rise of ISIS in Sunni iraq.

When Saddam was captured, Gaddafi confessed to the US that he had an advanced nuclear weapons program and handed it over to the US. At that point, he was a tamed dictator, and was feeding intelligence on radicals back to the US. When radicals started a revolt against Gaddafi, Obama and Hillary  sided with the radicals. We know how well that is turning out.

Obama also forced Egypt&#039;s dictator out of power. His preferred party, the Muslim Brotherhood, came to power. Egypt erupted in chaos as the Muslim brotherhood ran amok. Eventually, the Egyptian Army stepped in, much to Obama&#039;s chagrin.

Trump is right to say we should be careful when deposing dictators in the ME.

The problem is the debate format doesn&#039;t allow for reasoned discussion, so each candidate simply responds with rehearsed sound-bites.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@neo-neocon:</p>
<p>I agree he sounded like code-pink. Or worse. OTOH, he has a valid point. The US spent a hundreds of billions of dollars, maybe trillions, fighting a war that didn&#8217;t need to be fought. Bush won a precarious victory, and Obama, in the tradition of the Democrat party, threw it away, just as they did after the Vietnam war. </p>
<p>I agree Bush didn&#8217;t lie about WMD. Saddam lied. He was trying to convince Iran he had WMD while trying to avoid  the sanctions that would be imposed if UN inspectors actually found WMD. Saddam lost when Bush called his bluff. Unfortunately for Bush, and his reputation, Saddam really didn&#8217;t have any WMD of significance. </p>
<p>The problem for Bush supporters was that there was very little evidence to connect Saddam to 9/11. So, going after Saddam to stop him from giving terrorists WMD turned out to be a poor pretext for the Iraq war. I wouldn&#8217;t say Bush lied, but he sure got it wrong.</p>
<p>Trump is right when he says deposing Saddam created instability. Saddam was an evil dictator but he balanced evil dictators on two sides. When the US precipitously withdrew on Obama&#8217;s watch, that instability manifested itself in Iran&#8217;s virtual take-over of Shia Iraq and the rise of ISIS in Sunni iraq.</p>
<p>When Saddam was captured, Gaddafi confessed to the US that he had an advanced nuclear weapons program and handed it over to the US. At that point, he was a tamed dictator, and was feeding intelligence on radicals back to the US. When radicals started a revolt against Gaddafi, Obama and Hillary  sided with the radicals. We know how well that is turning out.</p>
<p>Obama also forced Egypt&#8217;s dictator out of power. His preferred party, the Muslim Brotherhood, came to power. Egypt erupted in chaos as the Muslim brotherhood ran amok. Eventually, the Egyptian Army stepped in, much to Obama&#8217;s chagrin.</p>
<p>Trump is right to say we should be careful when deposing dictators in the ME.</p>
<p>The problem is the debate format doesn&#8217;t allow for reasoned discussion, so each candidate simply responds with rehearsed sound-bites.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 05:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PatD:

I was wondering what you might say about Trump&#039;s performance tonight.

It was last summer when I started writing about what Trump has said about Bush---evil, Pelosi should have impeached him, lied about WMDs.  I have been amazed and disappointed that this history of Trump&#039;s has been mostly ignored.  

But even then, I was overestimating Trump, because if you had asked me what he would say if asked about his impeachment remarks during a debate, I would have said I&#039;d think he&#039;d take the high road and say something like &quot;Well, I wasn&#039;t in favor of the Iraq War, but no, I don&#039;t really think he should have been impeached.&quot; Something like that, and then just shut up about it and hope the questioner goes to someone else, which would have happened.

Instead, Trump doubled down and sounded like a leftist maniac.  There&#039;s no other way to put it.  Bush LIED!! He KNEW there were no WMD&#039;s!! Impeachment, whatever.  And by the way, the WTC towers came down during his REIGN!!  

Sad thing is, many people who love Trump will ignore it, just like the Sovietphiles used to do when one of their leaders did something bad.  

This guy completely lacks the temperament, the wisdom, the judgment, and even the politics to be the GOP nominee.  He revealed it tonight.  But how many of his followers will admit it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PatD:</p>
<p>I was wondering what you might say about Trump&#8217;s performance tonight.</p>
<p>It was last summer when I started writing about what Trump has said about Bush&#8212;evil, Pelosi should have impeached him, lied about WMDs.  I have been amazed and disappointed that this history of Trump&#8217;s has been mostly ignored.  </p>
<p>But even then, I was overestimating Trump, because if you had asked me what he would say if asked about his impeachment remarks during a debate, I would have said I&#8217;d think he&#8217;d take the high road and say something like &#8220;Well, I wasn&#8217;t in favor of the Iraq War, but no, I don&#8217;t really think he should have been impeached.&#8221; Something like that, and then just shut up about it and hope the questioner goes to someone else, which would have happened.</p>
<p>Instead, Trump doubled down and sounded like a leftist maniac.  There&#8217;s no other way to put it.  Bush LIED!! He KNEW there were no WMD&#8217;s!! Impeachment, whatever.  And by the way, the WTC towers came down during his REIGN!!  </p>
<p>Sad thing is, many people who love Trump will ignore it, just like the Sovietphiles used to do when one of their leaders did something bad.  </p>
<p>This guy completely lacks the temperament, the wisdom, the judgment, and even the politics to be the GOP nominee.  He revealed it tonight.  But how many of his followers will admit it?</p>
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