I do not know. As I expect that the Whigs, in the early stages of devolution, could not imagine what would fully replace them. What I do know is that the GOP has become a scam and a sham. It offers the verisimilitude of resistance to full-throated socialism/elitism/statism, but no actual resistance. …

We are headed for disaster at high speed and the GOP claims to be hitting the brakes but instead just adds a slightly lighter foot to the throttle (on top of the foot of the Dems/Socialists/statists, etc)….

Time to acknowledge the truth and look for and support what positive can grow in the death of the GOP.

neo-neocon Says:
January 27th, 2016 at 6:40 pm
OriginalFrank:

What would grow in the death of the GOP is the strength of the left, till it completes the already-well-on-its-way transformation of America into the country of its dreams.

OriginalFrank Says:
January 27th, 2016 at 7:54 pm
Neo,

That’s a possibility, of course,

But IMHO, observing the success of the left and the unwillingness of the GOP to offer even token resistance, the left *owns* the GOPe already. And preserves the GOP only to confuse the public…..
So I do not accept your conclusion as likely, based on evidence/observation. If subset a is already contained by b, then b is not enlarged when a is formally merged with b.

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No cultural or social transformation ever goes according to a straight-line extrapolation, and political ones especially take sharp turns that aren’t foreseen.
I think there will be some enlargement of b because of “followers” who weren’t originally contained in the informal merger, but there will also be a break-out of people in the a who don’t want an explicit inclusion in b.

I think we have 4 or more distinctive political groups that have been subsumed in the two parties, and are on the verge of fracturing and restructuring the alliances.

Ah, for the days of Venn diagrams!
Wish I could do them in HTML.

I do not support Trump (although I appreciate him stirring up the slumgullion pot of politics), but Fox has more problems than just Megyn Kelly.

The reason Red China is no longer needing raw materials at the former tempo is that her trading partners no longer provide demand.

Other than throwing the resources down rat holes — the Red Chinese had // have no place to profitably utilize them.

Collapsing trading profits — all ultimately dependent upon America — have caused the Chinese miracle to implode.

On a cash-flow basis most of Red China’s enterprises are now running at horrific losses.

Red China does not know how to shut down losers. (They are trying to figure that one out as I type.)

For to do so, many must loose face.

Orientals can’t suffer that — and Communist Chinese officials take that tic to the extreme.

The normal course of events — after horrific national fiscal error — is a systemic implosion — the Ming dynasty leaps immediately to mind.

The parallels between the Ming and modern America are huge.

Before it imploded — the Ming had no peer competitors whatsoever.

The wiki on the Ming is pitiful, BTW.

Permitting taxation rates upon the hoi polloi to explode upwards via bi-metalism — the Ming.

Permitting taxation rates upon the hoi polloi to explode upwards via 0-care — the Americans.

In both cases, massive deflation was kicked off.

The Pundit Class STILL has not comprehended that the center of global deflation is 0-care — NOT CHINA.

They have eyes but can not see.

The end game for the Ming — a horrific civil war.

The end game for the American hyper-power — a horrific global civil war.

The blood shed can not possibly be confined to North America.

WWV ( We’re inside WWIV right now ) figures to seriously reduce the human population — globally — probably by 70%.

Most of the fatalities will occur via destroyed trading networks — and consequential starvation.

Dependent nations — such as the MENA — will see death camp starvation tempos for months on end.

Such an end game is the MOST likely result of Cloward-Piven economics.

Those two screwballs will have triggered more fatalities than every tyrant in history — combined.

That’s a possibility, of course,

But IMHO, observing the success of the left and the unwillingness of the GOP to offer even token resistance, the left *owns* the GOPe already. And preserves the GOP only to confuse the public. Consider Ryan folding on the budget, Roberts folding on Obamacare (ok, not technically the GOP, but he too is part of the picture), Rubio and Bush making the case for (stealth) population replacement through immigration, etc. All of us can add to the chronicle for as much time as we have.

So I do not accept your conclusion as likely, based on evidence/observation. If subset a is already contained by b, then b is not enlarged when a is formally merged with b.

What would grow in the death of the GOP is the strength of the left, till it completes the already-well-on-its-way transformation of America into the country of its dreams.

I do not know. As I expect that the Whigs, in the early stages of devolution, could not imagine what would fully replace them. What I do know is that the GOP has become a scam and a sham. It offers the verisimilitude of resistance to full-throated socialism/elitism/statism, but no actual resistance. See my previous post for a very cursory accounting of GOP unwillingness to speak or act for conservative principles. I could go on at much greater length, as I suspect most commenters here could.

We are headed for disaster at high speed and the GOP claims to be hitting the brakes but instead just adds a slightly lighter foot to the throttle (on top of the foot of the Dems/Socialists/statists, etc). All the while, promising that the *next* election, Lucy truly won’t jerk the football away.

Time to acknowledge the truth and look for and support what positive can grow in the death of the GOP.