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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/25/the-party-of-envy-the-party-of-anger/#comment-957212</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Weirdlore:

As a libertarian, I&#039;m curious what you think about Trump and Kelo? &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2016/01/25/okay-heres-another-trump-video-you-need-to-watch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; And Trump and Michael Forbes?&lt;/a&gt;

I think it&#039;s very clear that Trump would have no hesitation whatsoever to trample on people&#039;s liberties.  None.  His previous record is very clear.  As a private citizen, he tried to get government to do it, and he joined in to smear the people whose liberties he was trampling on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weirdlore:</p>
<p>As a libertarian, I&#8217;m curious what you think about Trump and Kelo? <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2016/01/25/okay-heres-another-trump-video-you-need-to-watch/" rel="nofollow"> And Trump and Michael Forbes?</a></p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s very clear that Trump would have no hesitation whatsoever to trample on people&#8217;s liberties.  None.  His previous record is very clear.  As a private citizen, he tried to get government to do it, and he joined in to smear the people whose liberties he was trampling on.</p>
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		By: WeirdLore		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/25/the-party-of-envy-the-party-of-anger/#comment-957193</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WeirdLore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a libertarian-influenced conservative there is a lot for me to dislike about Trump.  Since I really have very little idea what he will do if elected. A President Trump is a question mark.


As long as the establishment and Trump do not &quot;get along&quot;, I think he could succeed.  I&#039;m defining success as destroying the current status quo.  What I think that he will do is cut deals and kind of manage the existing mess that is DC.  I think Trump will shake up a couple of Federal Departments and when he is gone the bureaucracy will revert to its prior ways.


Also, as a Southerner, Trump reminds me of the populist democrats of the past.  This is not a compliment.  The struggle in the South split the Democrat party with the conservatives becoming Republicans and the leftist Populists taking over the Democrat party.  So Trump&#039;s approach reminds me of some fairly detestable people.


Will I vote for Trump if nominated?  Well, Bernie/Hillary will turn this country into Venezuela.  The &quot;tear it all down&quot; approach has it&#039;s appeal but I&#039;m not willing the sign up for that - yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a libertarian-influenced conservative there is a lot for me to dislike about Trump.  Since I really have very little idea what he will do if elected. A President Trump is a question mark.</p>
<p>As long as the establishment and Trump do not &#8220;get along&#8221;, I think he could succeed.  I&#8217;m defining success as destroying the current status quo.  What I think that he will do is cut deals and kind of manage the existing mess that is DC.  I think Trump will shake up a couple of Federal Departments and when he is gone the bureaucracy will revert to its prior ways.</p>
<p>Also, as a Southerner, Trump reminds me of the populist democrats of the past.  This is not a compliment.  The struggle in the South split the Democrat party with the conservatives becoming Republicans and the leftist Populists taking over the Democrat party.  So Trump&#8217;s approach reminds me of some fairly detestable people.</p>
<p>Will I vote for Trump if nominated?  Well, Bernie/Hillary will turn this country into Venezuela.  The &#8220;tear it all down&#8221; approach has it&#8217;s appeal but I&#8217;m not willing the sign up for that &#8211; yet.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/25/the-party-of-envy-the-party-of-anger/#comment-956117</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2016 02:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To add to my comments at January 25th, 2016 at 3:57 pm and at January 26th, 2016 at 8:09 am, &lt;i&gt;guard the premises&lt;/i&gt; carefully.

Consider the implicit frame of Harsanyi, Limbaugh et al&#039;s statements carefully: 
Are the functional definitions and the identity groups affiliated with American &quot;nationalism&quot; and &quot;populism&quot; now to be conceded at the premise level of the political discourse to Trump-front alt-Right activists?

In the activist game, mainstream conservatives should not concede critical rhetorical ground and demographic ground in the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist so easily.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to my comments at January 25th, 2016 at 3:57 pm and at January 26th, 2016 at 8:09 am, <i>guard the premises</i> carefully.</p>
<p>Consider the implicit frame of Harsanyi, Limbaugh et al&#8217;s statements carefully:<br />
Are the functional definitions and the identity groups affiliated with American &#8220;nationalism&#8221; and &#8220;populism&#8221; now to be conceded at the premise level of the political discourse to Trump-front alt-Right activists?</p>
<p>In the activist game, mainstream conservatives should not concede critical rhetorical ground and demographic ground in the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist so easily.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt; I know people who are very successful, some of them quite wealthy, and who appear to have pretty good lives in all respect, who are nevertheless generally on the Left.&lt;/b&gt;

How much would these Leftists pay to sleep with a clear conscience at night?

That&#039;s what they envy, the ones with a clean conscience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> I know people who are very successful, some of them quite wealthy, and who appear to have pretty good lives in all respect, who are nevertheless generally on the Left.</b></p>
<p>How much would these Leftists pay to sleep with a clear conscience at night?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what they envy, the ones with a clean conscience.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I call it a war.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call it a war.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/25/the-party-of-envy-the-party-of-anger/#comment-956020</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Keep in mind the game isn&#039;t HS debate club, though the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist looks like it. It&#039;s a maneuver contest.

Which is to say, it&#039;s not only a comparison of ideas, and not principally that. It&#039;s foremost a contest of method for social movement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind the game isn&#8217;t HS debate club, though the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist looks like it. It&#8217;s a maneuver contest.</p>
<p>Which is to say, it&#8217;s not only a comparison of ideas, and not principally that. It&#8217;s foremost a contest of method for social movement.</p>
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		By: GRA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GRA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2016 07:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Conservatism is superior, but it&#039;s not obviously superior. It&#039;s something you have to work at to understand and even go through life experiences, that with humility, that in the end you might come to value it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservatism is superior, but it&#8217;s not obviously superior. It&#8217;s something you have to work at to understand and even go through life experiences, that with humility, that in the end you might come to value it.</p>
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		By: Philip		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/25/the-party-of-envy-the-party-of-anger/#comment-955966</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2016 03:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope I&#039;m among the loved, that&#039;s all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I&#8217;m among the loved, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/25/the-party-of-envy-the-party-of-anger/#comment-955908</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On reflection, I personally would define populism as the expressed resentment by the Country Class against the Ruling Class (thanks to  Angelo Codevilla), leading to pushback.
Trump is of course a leading member of the Ruling Class, but he is a skilled reader of the times, an exploiter, a demagogue.
Like Obama.

Here is a short example from Reuters today on the Euro Ruling Class and why it builds populist sentiment:
 
LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister David Cameron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel spoke on Monday and agreed there was more work to be done to reach a deal on a reformed relationship between Britain and the European Union, a spokesman for the British leader said.

Cameron has said he hopes to come to an agreement with EU leaders over his plans to renegotiate Britain&#039;s relationship with the bloc at a Feb. 18-19 summit. That could pave the way for a British membership referendum as early as June.

&quot;They agreed that there had been progress since December&#039;s European Council and that there was genuine goodwill across the EU to address the British people&#039;s concerns in all four areas,&quot; a spokesman for Cameron said following a phone call between the two leaders on Monday.

&quot;Both concluded that there was more work to do ahead of the February European Council to find the right solutions.&quot;

The European Council? Wiki says, &quot;it is a strategic (and crisis-solving) body that provides the union with general political directions and priorities, and acts as a collective presidency. The European Commission remains the sole initiator of legislation, but the European Council is able to provide an impetus to guide legislative policy. Decisions of the European Council are taken by consensus, except where the Treaties provide otherwise.&quot;

Ah so. A &quot;collective&quot; that makes decisions on crisis policies by &quot;consensus.&quot;

There has been &quot;progress&#039;, with &quot;goodwill&quot; to &quot;address concerns&quot; of the British people.

If that&#039;s not enough to make one a populist, maybe Merkel&#039;s invitation to migrants is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On reflection, I personally would define populism as the expressed resentment by the Country Class against the Ruling Class (thanks to  Angelo Codevilla), leading to pushback.<br />
Trump is of course a leading member of the Ruling Class, but he is a skilled reader of the times, an exploiter, a demagogue.<br />
Like Obama.</p>
<p>Here is a short example from Reuters today on the Euro Ruling Class and why it builds populist sentiment:</p>
<p>LONDON (Reuters) &#8211; Prime Minister David Cameron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel spoke on Monday and agreed there was more work to be done to reach a deal on a reformed relationship between Britain and the European Union, a spokesman for the British leader said.</p>
<p>Cameron has said he hopes to come to an agreement with EU leaders over his plans to renegotiate Britain&#8217;s relationship with the bloc at a Feb. 18-19 summit. That could pave the way for a British membership referendum as early as June.</p>
<p>&#8220;They agreed that there had been progress since December&#8217;s European Council and that there was genuine goodwill across the EU to address the British people&#8217;s concerns in all four areas,&#8221; a spokesman for Cameron said following a phone call between the two leaders on Monday.</p>
<p>&#8220;Both concluded that there was more work to do ahead of the February European Council to find the right solutions.&#8221;</p>
<p>The European Council? Wiki says, &#8220;it is a strategic (and crisis-solving) body that provides the union with general political directions and priorities, and acts as a collective presidency. The European Commission remains the sole initiator of legislation, but the European Council is able to provide an impetus to guide legislative policy. Decisions of the European Council are taken by consensus, except where the Treaties provide otherwise.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah so. A &#8220;collective&#8221; that makes decisions on crisis policies by &#8220;consensus.&#8221;</p>
<p>There has been &#8220;progress&#8217;, with &#8220;goodwill&#8221; to &#8220;address concerns&#8221; of the British people.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s not enough to make one a populist, maybe Merkel&#8217;s invitation to migrants is.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does Harsanyi, quoting Limbaugh, mean nationalism or &lt;i&gt;ethnic&lt;/i&gt; nationalism?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Harsanyi, quoting Limbaugh, mean nationalism or <i>ethnic</i> nationalism?</p>
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