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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/21/the-most-extreme-weight-loss-tv-show-of-all/#comment-955864</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gavinsdad:

I don&#039;t think he&#039;s using steroids.  He&#039;s not a body builder and he&#039;s not all that big in terms of muscle mass.  I know plenty of people who can do that sort of thing on their own, without drugs---although it takes tremendous discipline to get to such low body fat.

People with really large muscles, body builders, are the ones who tend to use them.  It&#039;s possible, of course, that this guy uses them, but it is certainly possible to get the sort of body he has without them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavinsdad:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s using steroids.  He&#8217;s not a body builder and he&#8217;s not all that big in terms of muscle mass.  I know plenty of people who can do that sort of thing on their own, without drugs&#8212;although it takes tremendous discipline to get to such low body fat.</p>
<p>People with really large muscles, body builders, are the ones who tend to use them.  It&#8217;s possible, of course, that this guy uses them, but it is certainly possible to get the sort of body he has without them.</p>
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		By: Gavinsdad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I haven&#039;t read all of the comments, I&#039;ve personally lived through this cycle, twice.  I can assure you that in the first photo presented the guy is using HGH or some other form of steroids.  From experience, you just cannot get that level of definition without them.  So when you see these guys (and gals) ripped like that KNOW that they are addicts and have compromised their long term health and mental acuity to look like that.  Almost always very shallow, self obsessed people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I haven&#8217;t read all of the comments, I&#8217;ve personally lived through this cycle, twice.  I can assure you that in the first photo presented the guy is using HGH or some other form of steroids.  From experience, you just cannot get that level of definition without them.  So when you see these guys (and gals) ripped like that KNOW that they are addicts and have compromised their long term health and mental acuity to look like that.  Almost always very shallow, self obsessed people.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2016 19:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar:

Many people who are lactose intolerant don&#039;t like milk.  It&#039;s a sort of self-protective thing, I guess.

I don&#039;t like milk, and I am 100% lactose-intolerant, the highest degree possible. I had a test long ago.  There are varying degrees of lactose intolerance; some people are only partially lactose intolerant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar:</p>
<p>Many people who are lactose intolerant don&#8217;t like milk.  It&#8217;s a sort of self-protective thing, I guess.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like milk, and I am 100% lactose-intolerant, the highest degree possible. I had a test long ago.  There are varying degrees of lactose intolerance; some people are only partially lactose intolerant.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/21/the-most-extreme-weight-loss-tv-show-of-all/#comment-955547</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Fausta: Sick as in not good or sick in modern parlance meaning good?&lt;/b&gt;

Probably the former, judging by my previous memory of which generation she is in.

If she was a bit closer to my generation, it might be the second one though, although that&#039;s limited to certain demographics or regions.

&lt;b&gt;But I quit the gym three months ago, more or less, when I “tweaked” my shoulder: doc said it’s an impingement, not a rotator cuff tear. I did the exercises to rehab it once, but it took an hour to get through them all at the gym.&lt;/b&gt;

Beverly,

I would probably try out some sword exercises, low weight, low speed, to see if that helps the circulation and regen in the shoulders there.

It&#039;s similar to the indian club bell maneuvers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfDanltO4TA

Historically, I think it came from Persian/Indian sword arm/shoulder conditioning. I use the behind the back, cut then return movement. Which it doesn&#039;t show.

You don&#039;t need any kind of heavy weight, that would be bad for rehab. Start with like a stick or something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Fausta: Sick as in not good or sick in modern parlance meaning good?</b></p>
<p>Probably the former, judging by my previous memory of which generation she is in.</p>
<p>If she was a bit closer to my generation, it might be the second one though, although that&#8217;s limited to certain demographics or regions.</p>
<p><b>But I quit the gym three months ago, more or less, when I “tweaked” my shoulder: doc said it’s an impingement, not a rotator cuff tear. I did the exercises to rehab it once, but it took an hour to get through them all at the gym.</b></p>
<p>Beverly,</p>
<p>I would probably try out some sword exercises, low weight, low speed, to see if that helps the circulation and regen in the shoulders there.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s similar to the indian club bell maneuvers.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfDanltO4TA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfDanltO4TA</a></p>
<p>Historically, I think it came from Persian/Indian sword arm/shoulder conditioning. I use the behind the back, cut then return movement. Which it doesn&#8217;t show.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need any kind of heavy weight, that would be bad for rehab. Start with like a stick or something.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;And then when I hear that I should just stop eating [fill in the blank] food that I basically never eat anyway, I do tend to get a bit short.&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s why I talk about the stuff you should take, that you aren&#039;t taking ; )

See, it&#039;s the reverse diet that is the issue, for people who fall outside the norm curve.

There&#039;s also metabolic unlockers like essential oils, muscle conditioning, chi gong, tai chi, and various other blood circulation methods.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>And then when I hear that I should just stop eating [fill in the blank] food that I basically never eat anyway, I do tend to get a bit short.</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I talk about the stuff you should take, that you aren&#8217;t taking ; )</p>
<p>See, it&#8217;s the reverse diet that is the issue, for people who fall outside the norm curve.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also metabolic unlockers like essential oils, muscle conditioning, chi gong, tai chi, and various other blood circulation methods.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, doesn’t work for me and makes me sick to boot.&lt;/b&gt;

Ever since I found out that Neo doesn&#039;t like the taste of milk, she is pretty much beyond normal metabolism now. So that certainly makes sense why the ultra modern diets are also bad.

Of course, that&#039;s different from being lactose intolerant, due to an imbalanced microbiome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, doesn’t work for me and makes me sick to boot.</b></p>
<p>Ever since I found out that Neo doesn&#8217;t like the taste of milk, she is pretty much beyond normal metabolism now. So that certainly makes sense why the ultra modern diets are also bad.</p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s different from being lactose intolerant, due to an imbalanced microbiome.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2016 01:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve written this several times here, and I&#039;m not sure anyone disagrees, but I&#039;ll state it again: with the variation in genes and different environments and ecosystems humans evolved to live in I can&#039;t believe any one diet (except literal starvation) will work the same for all people.

Try different stuff. Keep tweaking. Like clockwork, almost every decade I notice significant changes in my body. Through to the age of 30 I couldn&#039;t gain weight no matter what I ate. I was also very active.

During the next ten years I gained weight gradually, but then I hit a certain weight and the increase become exponential. A few minor tweaks (stepping up exercise, not eating after 7PM) and I lost the extra weight in no time.

Fast forward 10 years. I was eating about 1/3 of the calories I used to consume and couldn&#039;t drop a pound no matter how much I exercised. I hadn&#039;t gained much weight, but I could tell I had lost some muscle.

Now, through trial and error I seem to have stumbled onto a process that is working. I dropped 10 pounds and have been keeping them off, even during the winter months. I probably eat 1/5 of the calories I used to eat 15 years ago, but I&#039;m not hungry and feel better than I have in years. However, I am fully expecting more changes and won&#039;t be surprised if I start gaining weight in a few years with no change to my diet or exercise regimen.

Not all of our bodies are the same and our own bodies change. Like neo-neocon, I get annoyed by people who insist whatever works for them HAS TO work for anyone who does it with the underlying accusation that one must not really have the will power to do whatever it is correctly if it is not working. My sister is very overweight. I have spent long periods of time with her and seen her gain weight eating very few calories. There is probably no one closer to me, DNA-wise, yet there are still obvious differences in our metabollism and physical make-up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written this several times here, and I&#8217;m not sure anyone disagrees, but I&#8217;ll state it again: with the variation in genes and different environments and ecosystems humans evolved to live in I can&#8217;t believe any one diet (except literal starvation) will work the same for all people.</p>
<p>Try different stuff. Keep tweaking. Like clockwork, almost every decade I notice significant changes in my body. Through to the age of 30 I couldn&#8217;t gain weight no matter what I ate. I was also very active.</p>
<p>During the next ten years I gained weight gradually, but then I hit a certain weight and the increase become exponential. A few minor tweaks (stepping up exercise, not eating after 7PM) and I lost the extra weight in no time.</p>
<p>Fast forward 10 years. I was eating about 1/3 of the calories I used to consume and couldn&#8217;t drop a pound no matter how much I exercised. I hadn&#8217;t gained much weight, but I could tell I had lost some muscle.</p>
<p>Now, through trial and error I seem to have stumbled onto a process that is working. I dropped 10 pounds and have been keeping them off, even during the winter months. I probably eat 1/5 of the calories I used to eat 15 years ago, but I&#8217;m not hungry and feel better than I have in years. However, I am fully expecting more changes and won&#8217;t be surprised if I start gaining weight in a few years with no change to my diet or exercise regimen.</p>
<p>Not all of our bodies are the same and our own bodies change. Like neo-neocon, I get annoyed by people who insist whatever works for them HAS TO work for anyone who does it with the underlying accusation that one must not really have the will power to do whatever it is correctly if it is not working. My sister is very overweight. I have spent long periods of time with her and seen her gain weight eating very few calories. There is probably no one closer to me, DNA-wise, yet there are still obvious differences in our metabollism and physical make-up.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[KBK:

Sorry if I appeared testy.  Probably am testy!  Too hungry :-) .

But I really have tried a lot, and people keep coming to the blog and making suggestions of things already tried.  And then when I hear that I should just stop eating [fill in the blank] food that I basically &lt;i&gt;never eat anyway&lt;/i&gt;, I do tend to get a bit short.

I think the real answer is that when women are my age they tend to have gained a few pounds.  It&#039;s natural, maybe even healthy.  I don&#039;t know.  But I would like to lose that ten, and keep it off, without getting sick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KBK:</p>
<p>Sorry if I appeared testy.  Probably am testy!  Too hungry 🙂 .</p>
<p>But I really have tried a lot, and people keep coming to the blog and making suggestions of things already tried.  And then when I hear that I should just stop eating [fill in the blank] food that I basically <i>never eat anyway</i>, I do tend to get a bit short.</p>
<p>I think the real answer is that when women are my age they tend to have gained a few pounds.  It&#8217;s natural, maybe even healthy.  I don&#8217;t know.  But I would like to lose that ten, and keep it off, without getting sick.</p>
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		By: KBK		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve twice said &quot;low fat&quot; when I meant &quot;low carb&quot;. Sorry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve twice said &#8220;low fat&#8221; when I meant &#8220;low carb&#8221;. Sorry.</p>
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		By: KBK		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I&#039;ve read your diet posts over the years. I realize you&#039;re particularly adverse to low fat diets. I&#039;d forgotten you don&#039;t drink, that&#039;s a big help.  In my experience, one can&#039;t lose weight without being at least a little hungry all the time - the trick is to do it without intense starvation which causes one to go off the plan. 

You didn&#039;t mention how these trainers lost the weight gained. Besides diet and exercise, they probably use drugs, diuretics in particular. 

As for advice - you make these weight posts every six months or so. You have an interest in the topic. If someone came up with something that worked for you, my guess is you&#039;d do it. I&#039;m just trying to be helpful.  I&#039;ll leave it alone in the future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I&#8217;ve read your diet posts over the years. I realize you&#8217;re particularly adverse to low fat diets. I&#8217;d forgotten you don&#8217;t drink, that&#8217;s a big help.  In my experience, one can&#8217;t lose weight without being at least a little hungry all the time &#8211; the trick is to do it without intense starvation which causes one to go off the plan. </p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t mention how these trainers lost the weight gained. Besides diet and exercise, they probably use drugs, diuretics in particular. </p>
<p>As for advice &#8211; you make these weight posts every six months or so. You have an interest in the topic. If someone came up with something that worked for you, my guess is you&#8217;d do it. I&#8217;m just trying to be helpful.  I&#8217;ll leave it alone in the future.</p>
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