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		By: Jayne		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/15/fiorinas-lack-of-traction/#comment-954475</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2016 04:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like others here, I think highly of Fiorina. Accomplished, sharp, lovely, and witty, voters could do much worse. (And most likely they will.)

I want to address Neo&#039;s one point, though:  

&quot;I also think that, even though Fiorina seemed to maintain her equanimity during the campaign, something got under her skin ever-so-slightly. She kept her clarity and her ability to get to the heart of the matter, rhetorically speaking, but she made a decision to be very very solemn during the debates. This decision was not a good one; it made her seem hard and humorless. I’ve seen her in person, and she is definitely neither–in fact, she’s feminine and warm and funny. But during the debates, those qualities were muted or absent in her. That did not help her at all, IM&quot;

That was a frequent criticism, yes. But I really appreciated her serious tone. I felt it gave her that Thatcher aura. And I love the professional who acts professional at those important times in his career while clearly having a lively personality when the times are less formal.

I am clearly out of step with the times, it seems, as the more shrill and/or juvenile the candidate, the higher the #%*%#+ polls. (Agree with Rand Paul that the polls and the media are ruining the primary. Have you seen how minuscule the sample sizes are????)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others here, I think highly of Fiorina. Accomplished, sharp, lovely, and witty, voters could do much worse. (And most likely they will.)</p>
<p>I want to address Neo&#8217;s one point, though:  </p>
<p>&#8220;I also think that, even though Fiorina seemed to maintain her equanimity during the campaign, something got under her skin ever-so-slightly. She kept her clarity and her ability to get to the heart of the matter, rhetorically speaking, but she made a decision to be very very solemn during the debates. This decision was not a good one; it made her seem hard and humorless. I’ve seen her in person, and she is definitely neither–in fact, she’s feminine and warm and funny. But during the debates, those qualities were muted or absent in her. That did not help her at all, IM&#8221;</p>
<p>That was a frequent criticism, yes. But I really appreciated her serious tone. I felt it gave her that Thatcher aura. And I love the professional who acts professional at those important times in his career while clearly having a lively personality when the times are less formal.</p>
<p>I am clearly out of step with the times, it seems, as the more shrill and/or juvenile the candidate, the higher the #%*%#+ polls. (Agree with Rand Paul that the polls and the media are ruining the primary. Have you seen how minuscule the sample sizes are????)</p>
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		By: junior		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/15/fiorinas-lack-of-traction/#comment-954279</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[david -

Fiorina was pro-life before the election.  Her speech at the Reagan Library had a Q&#038;A at the end (which is only in the video, and not the transcript), and the very last question was from a concern troll that tried to make Fiorina look bad for opposing abortion.  Fiorina shut the troll down quite nicely with a very well-done response.

If you&#039;re discussing the videos, then keep in mind that those are primarily anti-Planned Parenthood.  And given what the videos have revealed, it&#039;s flat out unethical and immoral to keep providing government subsidies for the company.  I&#039;d be concerned about any candidate that shrugged them off due to how horrific the videos are.  It&#039;s the Left that&#039;s blown things out of proportion by acting as if any attack against their favorite abortion mill is an attack against women everywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david &#8211;</p>
<p>Fiorina was pro-life before the election.  Her speech at the Reagan Library had a Q&amp;A at the end (which is only in the video, and not the transcript), and the very last question was from a concern troll that tried to make Fiorina look bad for opposing abortion.  Fiorina shut the troll down quite nicely with a very well-done response.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re discussing the videos, then keep in mind that those are primarily anti-Planned Parenthood.  And given what the videos have revealed, it&#8217;s flat out unethical and immoral to keep providing government subsidies for the company.  I&#8217;d be concerned about any candidate that shrugged them off due to how horrific the videos are.  It&#8217;s the Left that&#8217;s blown things out of proportion by acting as if any attack against their favorite abortion mill is an attack against women everywhere.</p>
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		By: david7134		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/15/fiorinas-lack-of-traction/#comment-954249</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 22:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been for Fiorina but I think her demise started when she got on the abortion theme and planed parenthood. Romney was doing well until he did the same. Being against abortion does not get you votes and will bring down your popularity. It might be noble to not desire abortion, but many conservatives are comfortable with the idea and only a small number of people vote along the anti line, it will only get you about 10 to 20% of the vote that will come to you any how. For that matter, the president or one congressman can do nothing about the issue. Bush was elected all this line and the result was Roberts being put on the Court, what joy that has brought us as he turned out to be a liberal (so was Bush). Fiorina needs to turn up the heat on the economy, that is where she would be stronger. If you don&#039;t like abortion, pass and amendment. But I don&#039;t like our government telling any one how to live or take care of the body and life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been for Fiorina but I think her demise started when she got on the abortion theme and planed parenthood. Romney was doing well until he did the same. Being against abortion does not get you votes and will bring down your popularity. It might be noble to not desire abortion, but many conservatives are comfortable with the idea and only a small number of people vote along the anti line, it will only get you about 10 to 20% of the vote that will come to you any how. For that matter, the president or one congressman can do nothing about the issue. Bush was elected all this line and the result was Roberts being put on the Court, what joy that has brought us as he turned out to be a liberal (so was Bush). Fiorina needs to turn up the heat on the economy, that is where she would be stronger. If you don&#8217;t like abortion, pass and amendment. But I don&#8217;t like our government telling any one how to live or take care of the body and life.</p>
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		By: Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup &#187; Pirate&#039;s Cove		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 14:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Neo-neocon wonders why Carly Fiorina hasn&#8217;t caught fire [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Neo-neocon wonders why Carly Fiorina hasn&#8217;t caught fire [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 02:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My theory, which probably supports Matt&#039;s line, is that a lot of the VoxDay type personalities, overseas or otherwise, fell for the anti Sarah Palin Leftist propaganda in 2008. So Fio looked the same to them, and then they in the process of fighting SJWs, ended up adopting SJW tactics, which caused VoxDay and other people, of the Alternative Right or Pro Trump faction or whatever people want to call it, to initiate a viral internet campaign (which is a lot more influential than people would like to imagine given the big bucks spent on tv ads, which are wasted of course) against Fio.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory, which probably supports Matt&#8217;s line, is that a lot of the VoxDay type personalities, overseas or otherwise, fell for the anti Sarah Palin Leftist propaganda in 2008. So Fio looked the same to them, and then they in the process of fighting SJWs, ended up adopting SJW tactics, which caused VoxDay and other people, of the Alternative Right or Pro Trump faction or whatever people want to call it, to initiate a viral internet campaign (which is a lot more influential than people would like to imagine given the big bucks spent on tv ads, which are wasted of course) against Fio.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[junior:

You are correct, in my opinion.  People think Trump&#039;s the only one of the candidates who said something because he gets the coverage and they don&#039;t.

And some people didn&#039;t just forget or ignore what Fiorina said about things, a lot of them lied about her, and because other people didn&#039;t know her very well the lies took hold.  That&#039;s part of what happened, too.  It was because she was rising, and they saw her as a threat.  Who were the &quot;they&quot; who lied about her?  The Trump supporters, or someone else? I don&#039;t know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>junior:</p>
<p>You are correct, in my opinion.  People think Trump&#8217;s the only one of the candidates who said something because he gets the coverage and they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And some people didn&#8217;t just forget or ignore what Fiorina said about things, a lot of them lied about her, and because other people didn&#8217;t know her very well the lies took hold.  That&#8217;s part of what happened, too.  It was because she was rising, and they saw her as a threat.  Who were the &#8220;they&#8221; who lied about her?  The Trump supporters, or someone else? I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		By: Otiose		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I mourn her drop in the polls like none of the others - except possibly Walker, but his drop was deserved, whereas hers not so much.

She got attention for being so nonPC attacking H Clinton.  But in listening to some of her other interviews I noticed she was much too careful in how far she tacked away from acceptable establishment positions, i.e. too PC.   If Trump has shown us anything it&#039;s that the anger at the establishment ignoring the will of the people runs deep.  

Well thought out but aggressive assertions tapping into this discontent against elite condescending bull we&#039;ve been betting from the top of both parties will carry somebody into the White House. 

I think she could do a lot of good in the White House despite her lack of political office experience.  

But one of first essential steps to get there is to recognize her strategic mistakes and correct quickly to tap into the prevailing winds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mourn her drop in the polls like none of the others &#8211; except possibly Walker, but his drop was deserved, whereas hers not so much.</p>
<p>She got attention for being so nonPC attacking H Clinton.  But in listening to some of her other interviews I noticed she was much too careful in how far she tacked away from acceptable establishment positions, i.e. too PC.   If Trump has shown us anything it&#8217;s that the anger at the establishment ignoring the will of the people runs deep.  </p>
<p>Well thought out but aggressive assertions tapping into this discontent against elite condescending bull we&#8217;ve been betting from the top of both parties will carry somebody into the White House. </p>
<p>I think she could do a lot of good in the White House despite her lack of political office experience.  </p>
<p>But one of first essential steps to get there is to recognize her strategic mistakes and correct quickly to tap into the prevailing winds.</p>
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		By: Dennis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo may be right about Carly&#039;s statement about white supremacists that she had in mind the Skokie case.   As a single incidence her wording may not have been that important.  In retrospect, knowing what we know now, that attack on Geller&#039;s meeting gave her the opportunity to take ownership of the issue by defending not only Pamela Geller&#039;s right to have the meeting but also for Pamela Geller&#039;s morality and decency to have the courage under tremendous pressure to stand up for what is right.  Of course hindsight is much better than foresight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo may be right about Carly&#8217;s statement about white supremacists that she had in mind the Skokie case.   As a single incidence her wording may not have been that important.  In retrospect, knowing what we know now, that attack on Geller&#8217;s meeting gave her the opportunity to take ownership of the issue by defending not only Pamela Geller&#8217;s right to have the meeting but also for Pamela Geller&#8217;s morality and decency to have the courage under tremendous pressure to stand up for what is right.  Of course hindsight is much better than foresight.</p>
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		By: junior		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fiorina&#039;s made some pretty forceful statements on the hot button issues.  For instance, she was quite clear on her stance regarding the border and illegal immigration during her interview with the Ace of Spades HQ crew.  And yet, despite that, there were people in the comments section of that very same blog attacking her left and right for being &quot;soft&quot; in immigration and the border.

I think Fiorina&#039;s problem is two-fold.  The first is that a lot of people are lazy.  If it&#039;s not mentioned in their favorite news source, then they&#039;re not going to bother researching it any further.  Listening to a recorded interview (to use the source I mentioned above) is simply too difficult.

tl;dl

The second is Trump.  Trump is so over the top and so bombastic that the news cycle these days essentially revolves around everything that he says.  As far as the major news organizations are concerned, the only reason to pay attention to the other candidates is to collect sound bites regarding the opinions of those candidates about Trump&#039;s most recent statement.


On another note, I also noted the deluge of attacks on Fiorina, and commented about it on the AoSHQ Yahoo Group.  It seems to have died down for the most part over at Ace&#039;s blog.  But I don&#039;t know how much of that is due to time passing, and how much is due to the fact that Fiorina&#039;s not currently a threat to anyone, and thus not worth wasting time attacking.



Beverly -

There are some indications that Hillary&#039;s on the way out once again.  Biden&#039;s been making comments that support Sanders at the expense of Hillary, which suggests to me that he thinks she&#039;s not going to get the nomination.  And there are rumors circulating that the FBI rank and file will revolt if charges aren&#039;t filed over the e-mail server.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiorina&#8217;s made some pretty forceful statements on the hot button issues.  For instance, she was quite clear on her stance regarding the border and illegal immigration during her interview with the Ace of Spades HQ crew.  And yet, despite that, there were people in the comments section of that very same blog attacking her left and right for being &#8220;soft&#8221; in immigration and the border.</p>
<p>I think Fiorina&#8217;s problem is two-fold.  The first is that a lot of people are lazy.  If it&#8217;s not mentioned in their favorite news source, then they&#8217;re not going to bother researching it any further.  Listening to a recorded interview (to use the source I mentioned above) is simply too difficult.</p>
<p>tl;dl</p>
<p>The second is Trump.  Trump is so over the top and so bombastic that the news cycle these days essentially revolves around everything that he says.  As far as the major news organizations are concerned, the only reason to pay attention to the other candidates is to collect sound bites regarding the opinions of those candidates about Trump&#8217;s most recent statement.</p>
<p>On another note, I also noted the deluge of attacks on Fiorina, and commented about it on the AoSHQ Yahoo Group.  It seems to have died down for the most part over at Ace&#8217;s blog.  But I don&#8217;t know how much of that is due to time passing, and how much is due to the fact that Fiorina&#8217;s not currently a threat to anyone, and thus not worth wasting time attacking.</p>
<p>Beverly &#8211;</p>
<p>There are some indications that Hillary&#8217;s on the way out once again.  Biden&#8217;s been making comments that support Sanders at the expense of Hillary, which suggests to me that he thinks she&#8217;s not going to get the nomination.  And there are rumors circulating that the FBI rank and file will revolt if charges aren&#8217;t filed over the e-mail server.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seriously, if New York City is any barometer, the Lefties hate Trump and Cruz with a purple, cross-eyed passion, and are doing everything they can to smear, discredit, and character-assassinate both men.

As is their wont.

Ole Hillary is looking in the rear-view mirror -- and not seeing Bernie Sanders any more. And the side-view mirror is warning her that &quot;objects in this mirror are closer than they appear!&quot;

Do you all think The Bern can overtake her? Again, using my own personal collection of NYC liberal birdbrains (most of my friends, likeable but political idiots), they&#039;re ALL on the Bernie Bandwagon. Facebook and conversations over dinner: he&#039;s the one they&#039;re backing. I haven&#039;t heard anyone even make a rebuttal in Hillary&#039;s favor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, if New York City is any barometer, the Lefties hate Trump and Cruz with a purple, cross-eyed passion, and are doing everything they can to smear, discredit, and character-assassinate both men.</p>
<p>As is their wont.</p>
<p>Ole Hillary is looking in the rear-view mirror &#8212; and not seeing Bernie Sanders any more. And the side-view mirror is warning her that &#8220;objects in this mirror are closer than they appear!&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you all think The Bern can overtake her? Again, using my own personal collection of NYC liberal birdbrains (most of my friends, likeable but political idiots), they&#8217;re ALL on the Bernie Bandwagon. Facebook and conversations over dinner: he&#8217;s the one they&#8217;re backing. I haven&#8217;t heard anyone even make a rebuttal in Hillary&#8217;s favor.</p>
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