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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/04/antibiotics-and-weight-gain/#comment-951413</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2014/10/03/hfcs-sugar-diabetics-and-human-microbiome/

Oo, look what I found. I first heard of the micro biome from Chinese traditional medicine martial artists, maybe in 2012 or a little before then.

I got a lot of sources.]]></description>
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<p>Oo, look what I found. I first heard of the micro biome from Chinese traditional medicine martial artists, maybe in 2012 or a little before then.</p>
<p>I got a lot of sources.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/04/antibiotics-and-weight-gain/#comment-951412</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And by before, I mean they would have and probably did, belittle these &quot;crackpot&quot; theories, that the scientific consensus usually reacts to. Then later on, they find out the status quo is wrong. This is not unique. This isn&#039;t even rare. Scientists have been doing this for a long time, being wrong about the status quo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by before, I mean they would have and probably did, belittle these &#8220;crackpot&#8221; theories, that the scientific consensus usually reacts to. Then later on, they find out the status quo is wrong. This is not unique. This isn&#8217;t even rare. Scientists have been doing this for a long time, being wrong about the status quo.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus, there were at least two or more scientists and doctors here at Neo&#039;s blog who claimed they they knew what was going on in the human body. Before the microbiome was considered a legit theory or application.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus, there were at least two or more scientists and doctors here at Neo&#8217;s blog who claimed they they knew what was going on in the human body. Before the microbiome was considered a legit theory or application.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/04/antibiotics-and-weight-gain/#comment-951026</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 04:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr, I hope most medical researchers are more sincere than you depict. We are in serious trouble if they are not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr, I hope most medical researchers are more sincere than you depict. We are in serious trouble if they are not.</p>
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		By: JK Brown		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/04/antibiotics-and-weight-gain/#comment-951014</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 02:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This research that developed an algorithm that personalizes diets to control glucose levels shows promise and supports the gut bacteria theory.

&quot;For both groups of volunteers, “the differences were dramatic,” says Segal. “On the bad diets, blood glucose really reached abnormal level, but on the good diets, they normalized to healthy ranges.” And even though each participant ate different personalized meals, their gut microbes changed in consistent and perhaps beneficial ways. For example, several bacterial groups that had been associated with type 2 diabetes went down.&quot;


http://www.businessinsider.com/researchers-built-an-algorithm-that-will-create-diets-that-work-for-you-2015-11]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This research that developed an algorithm that personalizes diets to control glucose levels shows promise and supports the gut bacteria theory.</p>
<p>&#8220;For both groups of volunteers, “the differences were dramatic,” says Segal. “On the bad diets, blood glucose really reached abnormal level, but on the good diets, they normalized to healthy ranges.” And even though each participant ate different personalized meals, their gut microbes changed in consistent and perhaps beneficial ways. For example, several bacterial groups that had been associated with type 2 diabetes went down.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/04/antibiotics-and-weight-gain/#comment-950981</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 00:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel for you on the antibiotic thing. I work at a hospital, have NO CONTACT with patients or with patient care areas. I came up mildly positive on the Mantoux TB test. It&#039;s based on Bayesian Theorem of conditional probability, so the &quot;positive&quot; is based more on the likelihood that you&#039;ve been exposed. Most hospitals risk management offices divide there populations up in a way that reflects the likelihood they might be exposed. If I had worked at pretty much ANY OTHER HOSPITAL IN THE COUNTRY, my &quot;positive&quot; reading would have been well within negative parameters. I got bounced to state health department. I was retested with a Interferon-Gamma Release Assay test. Which, because the CDC defines ANYONE who works in a hospital in the medium risk group, made me &quot;positive&quot; again. The IGRA is also based on Bayesian Theorem of conditional probability, so again, the &quot;positive&quot; reading again is more determined by your risk factor -- if you work in the coroner&#039;s and stick your head in corpse&#039;s chests all day, you&#039;re on a high risk group. If you sit at a computer all day, theoretically, your risk factor should be lower. Researchers have claimed as much, and also have claimed that since most IGRAs were treated in high incidence populations (e.g., Malaysia) that they cannot REALLY reliably test active TB in positions where there is a low incidence of TB.

Didn&#039;t matter. Got stuck doing the full course of antibiotics. 

If I had been categorized correctly by my risk, it would never have happened. First, my employer&#039;s idiot risk management department. (If I had the same job at John Hopkins, or UCSF, or UCLA, or Mayo, or Cornell Weill, or NYU, or... I&#039;d have been adjudged &quot;negative&quot; on the initisl Mantoux test.) And if the CDC understood that there are people who work in hospitals that have no patient contact and art low risk...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel for you on the antibiotic thing. I work at a hospital, have NO CONTACT with patients or with patient care areas. I came up mildly positive on the Mantoux TB test. It&#8217;s based on Bayesian Theorem of conditional probability, so the &#8220;positive&#8221; is based more on the likelihood that you&#8217;ve been exposed. Most hospitals risk management offices divide there populations up in a way that reflects the likelihood they might be exposed. If I had worked at pretty much ANY OTHER HOSPITAL IN THE COUNTRY, my &#8220;positive&#8221; reading would have been well within negative parameters. I got bounced to state health department. I was retested with a Interferon-Gamma Release Assay test. Which, because the CDC defines ANYONE who works in a hospital in the medium risk group, made me &#8220;positive&#8221; again. The IGRA is also based on Bayesian Theorem of conditional probability, so again, the &#8220;positive&#8221; reading again is more determined by your risk factor &#8212; if you work in the coroner&#8217;s and stick your head in corpse&#8217;s chests all day, you&#8217;re on a high risk group. If you sit at a computer all day, theoretically, your risk factor should be lower. Researchers have claimed as much, and also have claimed that since most IGRAs were treated in high incidence populations (e.g., Malaysia) that they cannot REALLY reliably test active TB in positions where there is a low incidence of TB.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t matter. Got stuck doing the full course of antibiotics. </p>
<p>If I had been categorized correctly by my risk, it would never have happened. First, my employer&#8217;s idiot risk management department. (If I had the same job at John Hopkins, or UCSF, or UCLA, or Mayo, or Cornell Weill, or NYU, or&#8230; I&#8217;d have been adjudged &#8220;negative&#8221; on the initisl Mantoux test.) And if the CDC understood that there are people who work in hospitals that have no patient contact and art low risk&#8230;</p>
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		By: Sgt. Mom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/04/antibiotics-and-weight-gain/#comment-950976</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had almost the reverse curious experience after being prescribed Voltarin - a non-steroidal pain-killer, for a shoulder injury around 1995. As it turned out - I had a hellacious allergic reaction to it, which my health-care provider termed &quot;chemically-induced hepatitis.&quot; It felt like the worst case of flu ever - night sweats, bouts of complete exhaustion, but that was only the initial effect.

The long-term one was that I lost weight (about twenty pounds all told), and kept well under the military limits for my height --  without trying, or changing my diet or exercise routine particularly for nearly three or four years afterwards. It wasn&#039;t permanent, alas -- but I have always wondered if taking Voltarin seriously readjusted my metabolism for some years.

I know - anecdote, not data. But I have fought the weight thing for decades, and that was the only time in my life after my mid-twenties that all the usual weight-control advice actually worked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had almost the reverse curious experience after being prescribed Voltarin &#8211; a non-steroidal pain-killer, for a shoulder injury around 1995. As it turned out &#8211; I had a hellacious allergic reaction to it, which my health-care provider termed &#8220;chemically-induced hepatitis.&#8221; It felt like the worst case of flu ever &#8211; night sweats, bouts of complete exhaustion, but that was only the initial effect.</p>
<p>The long-term one was that I lost weight (about twenty pounds all told), and kept well under the military limits for my height &#8212;  without trying, or changing my diet or exercise routine particularly for nearly three or four years afterwards. It wasn&#8217;t permanent, alas &#8212; but I have always wondered if taking Voltarin seriously readjusted my metabolism for some years.</p>
<p>I know &#8211; anecdote, not data. But I have fought the weight thing for decades, and that was the only time in my life after my mid-twenties that all the usual weight-control advice actually worked.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/04/antibiotics-and-weight-gain/#comment-950959</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 22:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

Yes, I take research with a grain of salt.  But I&#039;ve been reading a lot about this bacteria and weight thing for a long time, and as far as I can tell it has value.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p>Yes, I take research with a grain of salt.  But I&#8217;ve been reading a lot about this bacteria and weight thing for a long time, and as far as I can tell it has value.</p>
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		By: Artfldgrs		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/04/antibiotics-and-weight-gain/#comment-950956</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 22:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo-neocon Says:   Actually, these are not things I put forth, these are quotes from researchers in the field. I’m not putting forth much, except the fact that they could be right.

you may forget that i work with those researchers and write programs for their work and watch them do politics not research. 

its to the point they dont give us raises, they are working people like me to death, its policy not accident, and they are so political they skew research to match political whim of their party. 

wish i was dead rather than working with these people till i do drop dead... 

:(

[a lot of research isnt worth the paper they print it on now, given how they dont really do research... ESPECIALLY the women who dont go in to do real research but to prove ideology more than anything else.. with academia of medicine loaded with them, they are loading up on really really bad work]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-neocon Says:   Actually, these are not things I put forth, these are quotes from researchers in the field. I’m not putting forth much, except the fact that they could be right.</p>
<p>you may forget that i work with those researchers and write programs for their work and watch them do politics not research. </p>
<p>its to the point they dont give us raises, they are working people like me to death, its policy not accident, and they are so political they skew research to match political whim of their party. </p>
<p>wish i was dead rather than working with these people till i do drop dead&#8230; </p>
<p>🙁</p>
<p>[a lot of research isnt worth the paper they print it on now, given how they dont really do research&#8230; ESPECIALLY the women who dont go in to do real research but to prove ideology more than anything else.. with academia of medicine loaded with them, they are loading up on really really bad work]</p>
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		By: JuliB		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/01/04/antibiotics-and-weight-gain/#comment-950954</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 22:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I follow both Mark&#039;s Daily Apple (paleo-ish lifestyle) and Science News Daily.  The microbiome is a fascinating topic and is the subject of many new studies.  Weight is a big issue, as well as immune health.

As a result, I&#039;ve started taking probiotics and will be fermenting my own saurerkraut.   I truly believe our gut has significant influences beyond what we currently imagine.  Google &quot;mark&#039;s daily apple microbiome&quot; to see a variety of fact based articles.  Yes, they lean paleo, but focus on veggies, bacteria, etc. and on weight issues as well.

I also just finished reading &quot;The Coming Plague&quot; which is a look back at the various microbe pandemics/epidemics since the 1950s.  There&#039;s a lot of discussion about mutations, DNA and RNA swapping, etc.  And of course, antibiotic use not just in people but in animals and soil as well.

As a result, I will try not to take antibiotics, and when I must be on them, I will try to keep away from exposure to other sick people.  Bad bacteria will try to establish a stronghold so why possibly expose myself to some types I don&#039;t already have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I follow both Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple (paleo-ish lifestyle) and Science News Daily.  The microbiome is a fascinating topic and is the subject of many new studies.  Weight is a big issue, as well as immune health.</p>
<p>As a result, I&#8217;ve started taking probiotics and will be fermenting my own saurerkraut.   I truly believe our gut has significant influences beyond what we currently imagine.  Google &#8220;mark&#8217;s daily apple microbiome&#8221; to see a variety of fact based articles.  Yes, they lean paleo, but focus on veggies, bacteria, etc. and on weight issues as well.</p>
<p>I also just finished reading &#8220;The Coming Plague&#8221; which is a look back at the various microbe pandemics/epidemics since the 1950s.  There&#8217;s a lot of discussion about mutations, DNA and RNA swapping, etc.  And of course, antibiotic use not just in people but in animals and soil as well.</p>
<p>As a result, I will try not to take antibiotics, and when I must be on them, I will try to keep away from exposure to other sick people.  Bad bacteria will try to establish a stronghold so why possibly expose myself to some types I don&#8217;t already have.</p>
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