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		By: PatD		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[There must be Trump supporters down-under:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There must be Trump supporters down-under:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/embed/yZZlo0WZ_iU?rel=0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/embed/yZZlo0WZ_iU?rel=0</a></p>
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		By: Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup &#8211; Pre Christmas Edition &#187; Pirate&#039;s Cove		</title>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 02:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have very much enjoyed today&#039;s seminar.
Neo, thanks for setting it up.
Lots of things to mull over.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have very much enjoyed today&#8217;s seminar.<br />
Neo, thanks for setting it up.<br />
Lots of things to mull over.</p>
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		By: g6loq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/17/choices-liberals-face/#comment-947166</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Choices we face:
 during the debate, the Ladies watching with me commented that Cruz’s smile is creepy. Debate before it was: “ short with a squeacky” voice.
Rubio is deemed to be very smart and well spoken.

They didn’t like it when I sneered at Fiorina going all vagina: slippery subject in our times …..
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bustle.com/articles/130146-carly-fiorina-used-the-gender-card-in-the-fifth-gop-debate-something-she-said-shed-never&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;If you want something talked about, ask a man. If you want something done, ask a woman.”&lt;/a&gt;
Hmmm: Hiltlery, Sibelius, Rice, Boxer, Pelosi … etc, running the show!

Here: Fiorina &lt;a href=&quot;https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/UfJ4RmICl-oJyhXCh-9tP3O-_Ps=/0x0:1600x900/1050x591/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/45310156/2013-10-giant-vagina-costume-daily-show12.0.jpeg&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in all her self perceived splendor! &lt;/a&gt;
Geez!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choices we face:<br />
 during the debate, the Ladies watching with me commented that Cruz’s smile is creepy. Debate before it was: “ short with a squeacky” voice.<br />
Rubio is deemed to be very smart and well spoken.</p>
<p>They didn’t like it when I sneered at Fiorina going all vagina: slippery subject in our times …..<br />
<a href="http://www.bustle.com/articles/130146-carly-fiorina-used-the-gender-card-in-the-fifth-gop-debate-something-she-said-shed-never" title="" rel="nofollow">&#8220;If you want something talked about, ask a man. If you want something done, ask a woman.”</a><br />
Hmmm: Hiltlery, Sibelius, Rice, Boxer, Pelosi … etc, running the show!</p>
<p>Here: Fiorina <a href="https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/UfJ4RmICl-oJyhXCh-9tP3O-_Ps=/0x0:1600x900/1050x591/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/45310156/2013-10-giant-vagina-costume-daily-show12.0.jpeg" title="" rel="nofollow">in all her self perceived splendor! </a><br />
Geez!</p>
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		By: g6loq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/17/choices-liberals-face/#comment-947163</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 00:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[*It’s happened before. href=”http://tinyurl.com/nenl4xg” title=””&#062;Seneca’s boss was NERO.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Anni-Ultimi-Roman-Stoic-Retirement/dp/1461092787/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1450486461&#038;sr=1-1&#038;keywords=seneca+anni+ultimi&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anni Ultimi: A Roman Stoic Guide to Retirement, Old Age and Death&lt;/a&gt;

Poor guy. I feeeel for him ....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*It’s happened before. href=”http://tinyurl.com/nenl4xg” title=””&gt;Seneca’s boss was NERO.<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Anni-Ultimi-Roman-Stoic-Retirement/dp/1461092787/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1450486461&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=seneca+anni+ultimi" title="" rel="nofollow">Anni Ultimi: A Roman Stoic Guide to Retirement, Old Age and Death</a></p>
<p>Poor guy. I feeeel for him &#8230;.</p>
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		By: g6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 00:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;neo-neocon&lt;/i&gt; Says: 
December 18th, 2015 at 1:22 pm
G6loq:

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;What makes you think the right isn’t–or can’t be, or won’t be–the same kind of mob?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
Moral equivalence &lt;i&gt;Néo&lt;/i&gt;? Whoo hoo!
 - Your spots are showing! - 
Is it not typical of Libtards?  Accusing others of that they&#039;ve been doing all along?
Can&#039;t wait to see your videos and pictures of rampaging TEA party hordes .... 

&lt;i&gt;And I’ve explained over and over what makes people “hang out” with their liberal friends and relatives. &lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;If you don’t understand that, you are very far gone.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
Hmmm, the snide, the sneer, the smug [S.S.S.] all in a short sentence! Well done!
Yeah, I have no place sitting along with Libtards on the staggering heights of their moral superiority.
Sad but true!

&lt;b&gt;And I’ve explained over and over&lt;/b&gt;
Again that&#039;s the S.S.S!
Now, let &lt;i&gt;me &lt;/i&gt;explain.
 Libtards will tolerate you around if they view you as a beta type. A pet in other words.
I know, I was a pet till I learned the language well enough to generally and politely disprove about some of their stuff. It got testy real fast.
Not showing sufficient enthusiasm for the cause is considered objection. 
I last spent any social time with such a crowd in Oakland, march of 2005, they were passing a butt plug in the shape of GWB&#039;s head around the table. The women were giggling loudly.
Not my civilization. 
Massive breakdown of standards and boundaries which are the province of womyn. Biology dictates it.

Note: &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04RhsO_fyZQ&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The women were giggling loudly and that&#039;s how we got where we are.&lt;/a&gt;
Ann Coulter and phyllis schlafly are right in their assessment.

We are going going down a cultural drain like at the times of the Weimar Republic and, there is no much we can do given the enormous number of collaborating enablers...
Probably nothing to do at this point. We yielded and yielded, didn&#039;t neutralize and now we can&#039;t push back anymore.
As this point, retreat to the mountains, maintain physical and mental integrity and, wait to pick up the piece. If old, prepare to die well for it not a matter of if but of when and then of how.

It&#039;s happened before. &lt;a&gt; href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/nenl4xg&quot; title=&quot;&quot;&#062;Seneca&#039;s boss was NERO.&lt;/a&gt;
End explaining.

Bonus: Trump as &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUGT30gGtiI&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you would like him&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Putting it to music–how very very clever of you.&lt;/b&gt;
S.S.S! But yeah, soon we&#039;ll be reduced to cracking jokes, just like the denizen of the former Soviet Republic.

Geez!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>neo-neocon</i> Says:<br />
December 18th, 2015 at 1:22 pm<br />
G6loq:</p>
<p><i><b>What makes you think the right isn’t–or can’t be, or won’t be–the same kind of mob?</b></i><br />
Moral equivalence <i>Néo</i>? Whoo hoo!<br />
 &#8211; Your spots are showing! &#8211;<br />
Is it not typical of Libtards?  Accusing others of that they&#8217;ve been doing all along?<br />
Can&#8217;t wait to see your videos and pictures of rampaging TEA party hordes &#8230;. </p>
<p><i>And I’ve explained over and over what makes people “hang out” with their liberal friends and relatives. </i><br />
<i><b>If you don’t understand that, you are very far gone.</b></i><br />
Hmmm, the snide, the sneer, the smug [S.S.S.] all in a short sentence! Well done!<br />
Yeah, I have no place sitting along with Libtards on the staggering heights of their moral superiority.<br />
Sad but true!</p>
<p><b>And I’ve explained over and over</b><br />
Again that&#8217;s the S.S.S!<br />
Now, let <i>me </i>explain.<br />
 Libtards will tolerate you around if they view you as a beta type. A pet in other words.<br />
I know, I was a pet till I learned the language well enough to generally and politely disprove about some of their stuff. It got testy real fast.<br />
Not showing sufficient enthusiasm for the cause is considered objection.<br />
I last spent any social time with such a crowd in Oakland, march of 2005, they were passing a butt plug in the shape of GWB&#8217;s head around the table. The women were giggling loudly.<br />
Not my civilization.<br />
Massive breakdown of standards and boundaries which are the province of womyn. Biology dictates it.</p>
<p>Note: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04RhsO_fyZQ" title="" rel="nofollow">The women were giggling loudly and that&#8217;s how we got where we are.</a><br />
Ann Coulter and phyllis schlafly are right in their assessment.</p>
<p>We are going going down a cultural drain like at the times of the Weimar Republic and, there is no much we can do given the enormous number of collaborating enablers&#8230;<br />
Probably nothing to do at this point. We yielded and yielded, didn&#8217;t neutralize and now we can&#8217;t push back anymore.<br />
As this point, retreat to the mountains, maintain physical and mental integrity and, wait to pick up the piece. If old, prepare to die well for it not a matter of if but of when and then of how.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s happened before. <a> href=&#8221;http://tinyurl.com/nenl4xg&#8221; title=&#8221;&#8221;&gt;Seneca&#8217;s boss was NERO.</a><br />
End explaining.</p>
<p>Bonus: Trump as <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUGT30gGtiI" title="" rel="nofollow">you would like him</a></p>
<p><b>Putting it to music–how very very clever of you.</b><br />
S.S.S! But yeah, soon we&#8217;ll be reduced to cracking jokes, just like the denizen of the former Soviet Republic.</p>
<p>Geez!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW:

I think perhaps you forget one thing: I was a liberal for most of my adult life.  And I have undergone NO fundamental change as a person.  My main change was two things (a) I got more interested in politics, and (b) I started reading sources that were not liberal/left (I had previously not realized how bias my sources were).

It&#039;s almost as simple as that.

And since most of my friends are both (a) and (b), I cannot possibly see them as basically different from me. The big difference is that I got more interested.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW:</p>
<p>I think perhaps you forget one thing: I was a liberal for most of my adult life.  And I have undergone NO fundamental change as a person.  My main change was two things (a) I got more interested in politics, and (b) I started reading sources that were not liberal/left (I had previously not realized how bias my sources were).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost as simple as that.</p>
<p>And since most of my friends are both (a) and (b), I cannot possibly see them as basically different from me. The big difference is that I got more interested.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2015 20:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo&#039;s questions perfectly encapsulate how liberals like to look at things in general - they can be used in exactly the same way to explain the other classic liberal conundrum:

1) Liberals take the side of lawbreakers (particularly those of certain demographics)
2) Liberals get terribly upset at the idea of ordinary citizens arming themselves to defend themselves against lawbreakers
3) Liberals demonize police for attempting to do the job they are paid to do - stop lawbreakers - and get completely rabid if police have the gall to defend themselves against lawbreakers who decide to attack cops trying to stop them from breaking the law

The unfortunate fact is, a large percentage of liberals actually, individually, aren&#039;t demons. They&#039;re stupid and immature, incapable of accepting or living in the real world, and would simply rather believe that if they are sufficiently nice to everyone, they will be safe. They try to ignore any evidence to the contrary by telling themselves, THAT person was the victim of a crime because he/she deserved it (by not being nice enough, or by having too much undistributed wealth, etc). It just that they cannot handle the idea of people who actually are evil, willing to commit crimes against others for no other reason than greed or sociopathy, who can only be stopped by the opposite of niceness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo&#8217;s questions perfectly encapsulate how liberals like to look at things in general &#8211; they can be used in exactly the same way to explain the other classic liberal conundrum:</p>
<p>1) Liberals take the side of lawbreakers (particularly those of certain demographics)<br />
2) Liberals get terribly upset at the idea of ordinary citizens arming themselves to defend themselves against lawbreakers<br />
3) Liberals demonize police for attempting to do the job they are paid to do &#8211; stop lawbreakers &#8211; and get completely rabid if police have the gall to defend themselves against lawbreakers who decide to attack cops trying to stop them from breaking the law</p>
<p>The unfortunate fact is, a large percentage of liberals actually, individually, aren&#8217;t demons. They&#8217;re stupid and immature, incapable of accepting or living in the real world, and would simply rather believe that if they are sufficiently nice to everyone, they will be safe. They try to ignore any evidence to the contrary by telling themselves, THAT person was the victim of a crime because he/she deserved it (by not being nice enough, or by having too much undistributed wealth, etc). It just that they cannot handle the idea of people who actually are evil, willing to commit crimes against others for no other reason than greed or sociopathy, who can only be stopped by the opposite of niceness.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[THis Omnibus bill is killing me.]]></description>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was a little boy, I remember getting into my father&#039;s law books and reading excerpts from cases; and thinking how great it would to be to be a judge and make everything fair.

I even thought that maybe it would be a good idea to take everything good up into a kind of pile and give equal shares to everyone.

When I would look at other people, I just kind of assumed that they were a fixed part of an environment which I had an entitlement to access.

And although I experienced a number of surprises as I grew up, including the outrage over what they did to my first paycheck, I don&#039;t think reality fully dawned on me until I got out of college, and really entered the adult &quot;workplace&quot;.

Yes, I had studied economics and philosophy and history and even Marxism in college, and had had actual jobs for some years, but it was not until I personally, not theoretically, witnessed production first hand, that it really hit me, and with a force surpassing any mere intellectual conviction: there is no &quot;workplace&quot;, no &quot;economy&quot;, no &quot;society&quot;.

There are people doing and making things, and you don&#039;t have that metaphysically entitled draw on them which children and childish adults imagine.

A few dozen men, basically, propelled the industrial revolution; automotive stamping dies and molds were cut in a couple hundred machine shops. And the German immigrant owner of a die shop was not there in order to employ workers or throw charity to salesmen, but to ply his trade with interested others. Almost everyone in the goddamned world - including conservative economists and politicians through force of a conceptual abstraction habit, had it perfectly backwards - even if in the case of conservatives they kind of knew it.

The liberal illusion, though they imagine that they have abandoned all teleological superstition, is that others exist &quot;for&quot; you.

They don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a little boy, I remember getting into my father&#8217;s law books and reading excerpts from cases; and thinking how great it would to be to be a judge and make everything fair.</p>
<p>I even thought that maybe it would be a good idea to take everything good up into a kind of pile and give equal shares to everyone.</p>
<p>When I would look at other people, I just kind of assumed that they were a fixed part of an environment which I had an entitlement to access.</p>
<p>And although I experienced a number of surprises as I grew up, including the outrage over what they did to my first paycheck, I don&#8217;t think reality fully dawned on me until I got out of college, and really entered the adult &#8220;workplace&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes, I had studied economics and philosophy and history and even Marxism in college, and had had actual jobs for some years, but it was not until I personally, not theoretically, witnessed production first hand, that it really hit me, and with a force surpassing any mere intellectual conviction: there is no &#8220;workplace&#8221;, no &#8220;economy&#8221;, no &#8220;society&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are people doing and making things, and you don&#8217;t have that metaphysically entitled draw on them which children and childish adults imagine.</p>
<p>A few dozen men, basically, propelled the industrial revolution; automotive stamping dies and molds were cut in a couple hundred machine shops. And the German immigrant owner of a die shop was not there in order to employ workers or throw charity to salesmen, but to ply his trade with interested others. Almost everyone in the goddamned world &#8211; including conservative economists and politicians through force of a conceptual abstraction habit, had it perfectly backwards &#8211; even if in the case of conservatives they kind of knew it.</p>
<p>The liberal illusion, though they imagine that they have abandoned all teleological superstition, is that others exist &#8220;for&#8221; you.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t.</p>
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