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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In his interaction with other candidates and now as he proposes to kill family members of terrorists, Trump mirrors another politician who admired strength. This quote from &lt;i&gt;Il Duce&lt;/i&gt;  fits Donald Trump to a T:

&lt;i&gt;We do not argue with those who disagree with us, we destroy them.&lt;/i&gt;

All you members of the the TrumpBorg, get used to it. This is what awaits you from the left, and deservedly so. You can go down the list of comparisons, from Trump&#039;s scorn for weakness (see his attacks on Carson and Bush), to his hyper-nationalism, his penchant for large crowds and adulation, and his vanity.

From &quot;WWII: The Essential Reference Guide&quot; by Priscilla Mary Roberts. Page 181-182:

&lt;i&gt;Mussolini&#039;s dominant motivations were his personal vanity and desire for adulation; not surprisingly, flattery was a key factor in his undoing. He became captivated by his own myth of the invincible leader and came to believe his own propaganda that only he could make the right decisions and that his intuition was always correct. Serious discussion and study were not Mussolini&#039;s style. He rushed to rapid decisions, often with unfortunate results. He also changed his mind often and precipitously...&lt;/i&gt;
 
&lt;i&gt;Musollini never accepted responsibility for his failures, but blamed others...To the end, his chief motivation was personal power...&lt;/i&gt;

Serious discussion and study - &lt;i&gt;NOT&lt;/i&gt;
Changing his mind often - &lt;i&gt;at the drop of a hat&lt;/i&gt;
Never accepts responsibility - &lt;i&gt;how man bankruptcies?&lt;/i&gt;
Personal power and vanity - &lt;i&gt;his prime motives&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, Trump wants to make America great again, as Benito Musollini wanted to made Italy great again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his interaction with other candidates and now as he proposes to kill family members of terrorists, Trump mirrors another politician who admired strength. This quote from <i>Il Duce</i>  fits Donald Trump to a T:</p>
<p><i>We do not argue with those who disagree with us, we destroy them.</i></p>
<p>All you members of the the TrumpBorg, get used to it. This is what awaits you from the left, and deservedly so. You can go down the list of comparisons, from Trump&#8217;s scorn for weakness (see his attacks on Carson and Bush), to his hyper-nationalism, his penchant for large crowds and adulation, and his vanity.</p>
<p>From &#8220;WWII: The Essential Reference Guide&#8221; by Priscilla Mary Roberts. Page 181-182:</p>
<p><i>Mussolini&#8217;s dominant motivations were his personal vanity and desire for adulation; not surprisingly, flattery was a key factor in his undoing. He became captivated by his own myth of the invincible leader and came to believe his own propaganda that only he could make the right decisions and that his intuition was always correct. Serious discussion and study were not Mussolini&#8217;s style. He rushed to rapid decisions, often with unfortunate results. He also changed his mind often and precipitously&#8230;</i></p>
<p><i>Musollini never accepted responsibility for his failures, but blamed others&#8230;To the end, his chief motivation was personal power&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Serious discussion and study &#8211; <i>NOT</i><br />
Changing his mind often &#8211; <i>at the drop of a hat</i><br />
Never accepts responsibility &#8211; <i>how man bankruptcies?</i><br />
Personal power and vanity &#8211; <i>his prime motives</i></p>
<p>Yes, Trump wants to make America great again, as Benito Musollini wanted to made Italy great again.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/15/liveblogging-the-debate/#comment-946374</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2015 19:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;neo-neocon Says: 

&lt;i&gt;rickl, Geoffrey Britain:

That’s not what the bill says. There was a very lengthy discussion of it on this blog here.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Your prior post does discuss at length the H-1B and Stem programs. The different bill to which I referred covers much more. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/13/mark-zuckerberg-backed-immigration-bill-allow-unlimited-muslim-immigration/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;S.153, called the Immigration Innovation Act (or I-Squared)&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I-Squared would expand five major visa categories used by Muslim migrants: the F-1 foreign student visa, green cards for foreign students, green cards for their family members, the H-1B foreign worker visa, and the H-4 spousal visa.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

It is the contention of many that S.153, if passed into law would essentially result in throwing wide the doors to unlimited Muslim immigration. 

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% and Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)80% are offering an alternative bill, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/11/ted-cruz-jeff-sessions-roll-out-antidote-to-broken-h-1b-program-american-jobs-first-act/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;the American Jobs First Act of 2015.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;together are promoting new legislation to reform the H-1B visa program, after scores of abuses by companies including Disney, Southern California Edison and more.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Here&#039;s an article describing Ted Cruz&#039;s take on Rubio&#039;s failed &quot;Gang of Eight&quot; bill. It&#039;s damning. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/12/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-fought-tooth-nail-try-jam-amnesty-american-peoples-throat/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ted Cruz: Marco Rubio ‘Fought Tooth and Nail to Try to Jam Amnesty Down the American People’s Throat’&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;neo-neocon Says: </p>
<p><i>rickl, Geoffrey Britain:</p>
<p>That’s not what the bill says. There was a very lengthy discussion of it on this blog here.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Your prior post does discuss at length the H-1B and Stem programs. The different bill to which I referred covers much more. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/13/mark-zuckerberg-backed-immigration-bill-allow-unlimited-muslim-immigration/" rel="nofollow"><b>&#8220;S.153, called the Immigration Innovation Act (or I-Squared)&#8221;</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I-Squared would expand five major visa categories used by Muslim migrants: the F-1 foreign student visa, green cards for foreign students, green cards for their family members, the H-1B foreign worker visa, and the H-4 spousal visa.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It is the contention of many that S.153, if passed into law would essentially result in throwing wide the doors to unlimited Muslim immigration. </p>
<p>Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% and Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)80% are offering an alternative bill, <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/11/ted-cruz-jeff-sessions-roll-out-antidote-to-broken-h-1b-program-american-jobs-first-act/" rel="nofollow"><b>&#8220;the American Jobs First Act of 2015.&#8221;</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;together are promoting new legislation to reform the H-1B visa program, after scores of abuses by companies including Disney, Southern California Edison and more.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s an article describing Ted Cruz&#8217;s take on Rubio&#8217;s failed &#8220;Gang of Eight&#8221; bill. It&#8217;s damning. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/12/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-fought-tooth-nail-try-jam-amnesty-american-peoples-throat/" rel="nofollow"><b>Ted Cruz: Marco Rubio ‘Fought Tooth and Nail to Try to Jam Amnesty Down the American People’s Throat’</b></a></p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2015 19:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cornhead:

I don&#039;t think that, if alive today, Sherman would kill ISIS families.  There is no evidence for it, because he didn&#039;t kill the enemies&#039; families, which is the only historical evidence we have to go on. 

How we treat the foreign national families of ISIS fighters in Syria vs. how we treat the families of ISIS terrorists here is different, too (I was assuming you were referring to both).  We already kill the families of terrorists abroad if we attack by drone and they happen to be in the vicinity, although that is collateral damage rather than by intent.  Here, there is no way it could or should happen, but Trump has never made a distinction as far as I know (that is characteristic of him).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cornhead:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that, if alive today, Sherman would kill ISIS families.  There is no evidence for it, because he didn&#8217;t kill the enemies&#8217; families, which is the only historical evidence we have to go on. </p>
<p>How we treat the foreign national families of ISIS fighters in Syria vs. how we treat the families of ISIS terrorists here is different, too (I was assuming you were referring to both).  We already kill the families of terrorists abroad if we attack by drone and they happen to be in the vicinity, although that is collateral damage rather than by intent.  Here, there is no way it could or should happen, but Trump has never made a distinction as far as I know (that is characteristic of him).</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2015 19:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CV:

I&#039;ve answered PatD that way many times, but have been ignored.

And that&#039;s for the same reason that Trump&#039;s past doesn&#039;t raise red flags with most of Trump&#039;s supporters: they are under a spell and getting a fix.  It is essentially the same as with Obama, only with different style and different content.  For many of them, anything Trump does goes, as long as he talks tough and mocks the people they want mocked and keeps them entertained.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CV:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve answered PatD that way many times, but have been ignored.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s for the same reason that Trump&#8217;s past doesn&#8217;t raise red flags with most of Trump&#8217;s supporters: they are under a spell and getting a fix.  It is essentially the same as with Obama, only with different style and different content.  For many of them, anything Trump does goes, as long as he talks tough and mocks the people they want mocked and keeps them entertained.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2015 18:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PatD,

Why would Trump bother (when he simply could go build more buildings/billions?)?

Because, as Neo so aptly put it recently, he&#039;s a self-aggrandizing narcissist, that&#039;s why. We&#039;ve had nearly 8 years of that and look how well it&#039;s turned out.

Not to mention the fact that Trump is basically a lifelong Democrat. I don&#039;t know why that doesn&#039;t raise giant red flags for more of his current supporters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PatD,</p>
<p>Why would Trump bother (when he simply could go build more buildings/billions?)?</p>
<p>Because, as Neo so aptly put it recently, he&#8217;s a self-aggrandizing narcissist, that&#8217;s why. We&#8217;ve had nearly 8 years of that and look how well it&#8217;s turned out.</p>
<p>Not to mention the fact that Trump is basically a lifelong Democrat. I don&#8217;t know why that doesn&#8217;t raise giant red flags for more of his current supporters.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2015 17:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huffington post is ignoring islam and asking why did the republicans not talk about gun control.. 

i wonder if they realize that if they can crush the 2nd amendment by other means, they make it a lot easier to crush abortion a later lesser amendment than an original one... 

as far as the debate, its a wash... 
meaningless as what happens later this year will matter more than anythig else, and the whole of the machine is trying to insure that they run against cruz who will be chivalrous and patriarchal and will let Hillary win by not calling her to task... they fear trump, because like reagan, he can roll back 20 years of hard work and games in one term - and they have no strings on him, there is nothing they can do that is dirty and that they can use to influence his choices OTHER than debate merit!!!!!!!!

more than ANYTHING else they fear merit and no dirt to hold against someone...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huffington post is ignoring islam and asking why did the republicans not talk about gun control.. </p>
<p>i wonder if they realize that if they can crush the 2nd amendment by other means, they make it a lot easier to crush abortion a later lesser amendment than an original one&#8230; </p>
<p>as far as the debate, its a wash&#8230;<br />
meaningless as what happens later this year will matter more than anythig else, and the whole of the machine is trying to insure that they run against cruz who will be chivalrous and patriarchal and will let Hillary win by not calling her to task&#8230; they fear trump, because like reagan, he can roll back 20 years of hard work and games in one term &#8211; and they have no strings on him, there is nothing they can do that is dirty and that they can use to influence his choices OTHER than debate merit!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>more than ANYTHING else they fear merit and no dirt to hold against someone&#8230;</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/15/liveblogging-the-debate/#comment-946341</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2015 17:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PatD, Thank you for explaining why Trump can be supported by conservatives. I do not like everything the man says, but the big, important stuff works for me. I also am in the camp of believing he will not be &#039;bought&#039; by special interests b/c he doesn&#039;t need them.

He is not stupid. He knows how to sell himself and he knows how to negotiate. I have no problems with that. When he comes out with a brash statement, I know that he is attempting to shake up the race and get the attention back on himself.

But every time he has made one of these statements, I actually agree with him! I still believe that the next Republican president needs to go hard right in order to bring us back in line. For too long our party has worried about appearing too right-wing, and we end up with mushy policies that give most away to the left. I am tired of it. Take the hardest right position you can, and negotiate to a moderate right position.

As for the rest of the debate:

1) My teenage son laughed at Carly&#039;s explanation of tech and how she would do it differently. Her &#039;algorithm&#039; comment in particular he derided. 

2) Loved Trump bashing on Jeb. I thought it was marvelous! I also loved how Trump called out the booing in the audience. We all know it is packed with a certain number of RNC folks. Heh.

3) I got tired of intricate policy points about what each candidate would do in the Middle East. We all know it will change in a year&#039;s time. To discuss it now with such boring detail was just goofy. Wanted more overall statements, rather than minute explanations.

4) Cruz did great. Liked that he dropped his wooden appearance from the first debate and talked directly to the moderators, other candidates and the audience. I also like that he avoided going after Trump. Smart move. 

5) I love having Christie there. He always is entertaining. Too bad he screwed up in 2012. 

That&#039;s about all I can think of for now!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PatD, Thank you for explaining why Trump can be supported by conservatives. I do not like everything the man says, but the big, important stuff works for me. I also am in the camp of believing he will not be &#8216;bought&#8217; by special interests b/c he doesn&#8217;t need them.</p>
<p>He is not stupid. He knows how to sell himself and he knows how to negotiate. I have no problems with that. When he comes out with a brash statement, I know that he is attempting to shake up the race and get the attention back on himself.</p>
<p>But every time he has made one of these statements, I actually agree with him! I still believe that the next Republican president needs to go hard right in order to bring us back in line. For too long our party has worried about appearing too right-wing, and we end up with mushy policies that give most away to the left. I am tired of it. Take the hardest right position you can, and negotiate to a moderate right position.</p>
<p>As for the rest of the debate:</p>
<p>1) My teenage son laughed at Carly&#8217;s explanation of tech and how she would do it differently. Her &#8216;algorithm&#8217; comment in particular he derided. </p>
<p>2) Loved Trump bashing on Jeb. I thought it was marvelous! I also loved how Trump called out the booing in the audience. We all know it is packed with a certain number of RNC folks. Heh.</p>
<p>3) I got tired of intricate policy points about what each candidate would do in the Middle East. We all know it will change in a year&#8217;s time. To discuss it now with such boring detail was just goofy. Wanted more overall statements, rather than minute explanations.</p>
<p>4) Cruz did great. Liked that he dropped his wooden appearance from the first debate and talked directly to the moderators, other candidates and the audience. I also like that he avoided going after Trump. Smart move. </p>
<p>5) I love having Christie there. He always is entertaining. Too bad he screwed up in 2012. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s about all I can think of for now!</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;sdferr&lt;/i&gt; Says: 
December 16th, 2015 at 9:25 am
My question is why does the Right not understand this?
&lt;i&gt;And what politics governs our schools, i.e., what is taught and what is not?&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/12/15/students-practice-calligraphy-by-writing-there-is-no-god-but-allah.html&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Students practice calligraphy by writing &quot;There is no god but Allah&quot;:&lt;/a&gt;
A Virginia school district is defending a classroom assignment that required students to practice calligraphy by writing the Muslim statement of faith, “There is no god but Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”

Female students at Riverheads High School in Staunton, Virginia, were also invited to wear Muslim clothing ...

We have problems....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>sdferr</i> Says:<br />
December 16th, 2015 at 9:25 am<br />
My question is why does the Right not understand this?<br />
<i>And what politics governs our schools, i.e., what is taught and what is not?</i><br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/12/15/students-practice-calligraphy-by-writing-there-is-no-god-but-allah.html" title="" rel="nofollow">Students practice calligraphy by writing &#8220;There is no god but Allah&#8221;:</a><br />
A Virginia school district is defending a classroom assignment that required students to practice calligraphy by writing the Muslim statement of faith, “There is no god but Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”</p>
<p>Female students at Riverheads High School in Staunton, Virginia, were also invited to wear Muslim clothing &#8230;</p>
<p>We have problems&#8230;.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;sdferr &lt;/i&gt;Says: 
December 16th, 2015 at 9:47 am
&lt;i&gt;Pirates = Brigands = Villainy.&lt;/i&gt;
Note Ryan&#039;s beard on the pict.
A strong message of dhimmitude as the Moooslime Orcs perceive it ...
Not good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>sdferr </i>Says:<br />
December 16th, 2015 at 9:47 am<br />
<i>Pirates = Brigands = Villainy.</i><br />
Note Ryan&#8217;s beard on the pict.<br />
A strong message of dhimmitude as the Moooslime Orcs perceive it &#8230;<br />
Not good.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[If anyone is interested in Trump&#039;s comments about &quot;shutting off the internet&quot; - he pushed back against the idea that he was advocating general censorship of free speech - here is a good technical post on how it could be done to target ISIS specifically.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/15/heres-why-trump-is-right-about-shutting-down-parts-of-the-internet/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is interested in Trump&#8217;s comments about &#8220;shutting off the internet&#8221; &#8211; he pushed back against the idea that he was advocating general censorship of free speech &#8211; here is a good technical post on how it could be done to target ISIS specifically.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/15/heres-why-trump-is-right-about-shutting-down-parts-of-the-internet/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/15/heres-why-trump-is-right-about-shutting-down-parts-of-the-internet/</a></p>
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