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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/14/our-insane-immigration-vetting/#comment-946042</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Leon Aron: &lt;a href=&quot;http://mosaicmagazine.com/response/2015/12/why-obama-cant-catch-up-with-putins-increasingly-bold-moves/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Can&#039;t Obama Catch Up with Putin&#039;s Increasingly Bold Moves?&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;[...] &quot;Specifically, one is drawn to ask: what caused this policy to be so dismal, so strewn with mistakes, so strikingly unable to predict Moscow’s behavior or to catch up with Vladimir Putin’s increasingly bold moves?

Between historical explanations based in theories of conspiracy and those premised on assumptions of incompetence, it’s usually prudent to plump for incompetence; or so we’re told. But a number of those advising President Obama on Russia are personally known to me to be quite competent, so that explanation won’t wash. Doran offers a different explanation, one that focuses on the beliefs of the president. Barack Obama, he writes, is ideologically wedded to a strategic understanding that is at once false, impervious to correction by reality, and unswayable by the counsel of advisers. This may well be so, but the problem may also be deeper and require elaboration.

[...] It is as if Obama were daily consulting the key precepts of realist doctrine: ignore a regime’s ideology and domestic behavior; do not meddle in its internal affairs; do not “preach” or “reprimand” or “advocate” anything, least of all “democracy”; respect the regime’s “national interests” and stick to negotiating on that basis–and lo!, from out of the test tube will emerge a “responsible” geopolitical “stakeholder.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All of a piece. Peace, on the other hand, can take a hike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon Aron: <a href="http://mosaicmagazine.com/response/2015/12/why-obama-cant-catch-up-with-putins-increasingly-bold-moves/" rel="nofollow">Why Can&#8217;t Obama Catch Up with Putin&#8217;s Increasingly Bold Moves?</a></p>
<blockquote><p>[&#8230;] &#8220;Specifically, one is drawn to ask: what caused this policy to be so dismal, so strewn with mistakes, so strikingly unable to predict Moscow’s behavior or to catch up with Vladimir Putin’s increasingly bold moves?</p>
<p>Between historical explanations based in theories of conspiracy and those premised on assumptions of incompetence, it’s usually prudent to plump for incompetence; or so we’re told. But a number of those advising President Obama on Russia are personally known to me to be quite competent, so that explanation won’t wash. Doran offers a different explanation, one that focuses on the beliefs of the president. Barack Obama, he writes, is ideologically wedded to a strategic understanding that is at once false, impervious to correction by reality, and unswayable by the counsel of advisers. This may well be so, but the problem may also be deeper and require elaboration.</p>
<p>[&#8230;] It is as if Obama were daily consulting the key precepts of realist doctrine: ignore a regime’s ideology and domestic behavior; do not meddle in its internal affairs; do not “preach” or “reprimand” or “advocate” anything, least of all “democracy”; respect the regime’s “national interests” and stick to negotiating on that basis–and lo!, from out of the test tube will emerge a “responsible” geopolitical “stakeholder.”</p></blockquote>
<p>All of a piece. Peace, on the other hand, can take a hike.</p>
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		By: ArtfldgrsGhost		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/14/our-insane-immigration-vetting/#comment-946028</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually this has a lot more to do with the kind of short shrift of thinking when the left constructs laws and actions. their namby pamby pacifism makes for a very dysfunctional system, which like the soviet union, is not able to adapt or contradict itself in an attempt to be safe. 

the most easily examined example of this is the use of Title IX... which was warned, and now is causing a huge amount of issues accross the board. 

ie. movie claims that students rape culture exists

harvard professors get together like the duke professors, but instead stand up for a student whose action was examined by a grand jury and he was absolved. 

now harvard is facing the potential of losing all its federal money IF a woman says that calling the film a propaganda piece is a hostile environment, just as letting a innocent man go free of rape is also a hostile invironment. 

Meet The Taxpayer-Funded Administrator Who Thinks Title IX Supersedes The US Constitution
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/11/college-administrator-thinks-title-ix-supersedes-us-constitution/

Harvard Law Professors Slam School’s New Sexual Misconduct Policy
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/15/harvard-law-professors-slam-schools-new-sexual-misconduct-policy/

Professors Threatened With Investigation For Questioning Rape Documentary
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/14/professors-threatened-with-investigation-for-questioning-rape-documentary/

the gist is that whatever a non reasonable (As reasonable woman doctrine was abandoned a long time gao), wacko feminist calls hostile, the schools and the society have to change it to make it equal. 

for some reason, people who are supposed to be equal but superior, who can fight in battle and do everything a man can do, have to have their environment completely set up and protected in their favor or else its hostile and may keep them out which would be denying their equality. 

this is the same thing with the islamists, as the hostile environment is what we are rebelling against in terms of trumps saying stop the flow, or using social media, etc.   

ie. use social media against the foreigner its a hostile environment, use it against a citizen, and its socialisms state monitoring its cows for compliance. 

its inane logic that refuses to back peddle bad ideas and isntead heap fixes or other positions on top till society and its rules resemble a rube goldberg machine. 

we are about one complaint away from men having to leave college as their presence makes for a hostile environment... making us go full circle to separate but eqal, the old segregation of the progressives by race, gender, orientation, etc. 

 a land of separate camps that cant deal with each other and white men exterminated as no camp wants them (see list of comments from clinton to others as to exterminating white males!!!  i would put some up but censored for whatever reason prevents me... whether automatic by size, content, number of posts, etc... so i am trying to avoid wasting time telling you what will be erased anyway... now you get less even if it would not be cut out!)

add to this the ideas of white privelege and you get a recipe that preventing things is a hostile environment whites have constructed to protect their society an preserve white supremacy.. (though little is said of chinese supremey in china, japanese supremecy in japan, or even the same in the country of the people claiming it here!!!)
[edited for length by n-n]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually this has a lot more to do with the kind of short shrift of thinking when the left constructs laws and actions. their namby pamby pacifism makes for a very dysfunctional system, which like the soviet union, is not able to adapt or contradict itself in an attempt to be safe. </p>
<p>the most easily examined example of this is the use of Title IX&#8230; which was warned, and now is causing a huge amount of issues accross the board. </p>
<p>ie. movie claims that students rape culture exists</p>
<p>harvard professors get together like the duke professors, but instead stand up for a student whose action was examined by a grand jury and he was absolved. </p>
<p>now harvard is facing the potential of losing all its federal money IF a woman says that calling the film a propaganda piece is a hostile environment, just as letting a innocent man go free of rape is also a hostile invironment. </p>
<p>Meet The Taxpayer-Funded Administrator Who Thinks Title IX Supersedes The US Constitution<br />
<a href="http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/11/college-administrator-thinks-title-ix-supersedes-us-constitution/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/11/college-administrator-thinks-title-ix-supersedes-us-constitution/</a></p>
<p>Harvard Law Professors Slam School’s New Sexual Misconduct Policy<br />
<a href="http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/15/harvard-law-professors-slam-schools-new-sexual-misconduct-policy/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/15/harvard-law-professors-slam-schools-new-sexual-misconduct-policy/</a></p>
<p>Professors Threatened With Investigation For Questioning Rape Documentary<br />
<a href="http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/14/professors-threatened-with-investigation-for-questioning-rape-documentary/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/14/professors-threatened-with-investigation-for-questioning-rape-documentary/</a></p>
<p>the gist is that whatever a non reasonable (As reasonable woman doctrine was abandoned a long time gao), wacko feminist calls hostile, the schools and the society have to change it to make it equal. </p>
<p>for some reason, people who are supposed to be equal but superior, who can fight in battle and do everything a man can do, have to have their environment completely set up and protected in their favor or else its hostile and may keep them out which would be denying their equality. </p>
<p>this is the same thing with the islamists, as the hostile environment is what we are rebelling against in terms of trumps saying stop the flow, or using social media, etc.   </p>
<p>ie. use social media against the foreigner its a hostile environment, use it against a citizen, and its socialisms state monitoring its cows for compliance. </p>
<p>its inane logic that refuses to back peddle bad ideas and isntead heap fixes or other positions on top till society and its rules resemble a rube goldberg machine. </p>
<p>we are about one complaint away from men having to leave college as their presence makes for a hostile environment&#8230; making us go full circle to separate but eqal, the old segregation of the progressives by race, gender, orientation, etc. </p>
<p> a land of separate camps that cant deal with each other and white men exterminated as no camp wants them (see list of comments from clinton to others as to exterminating white males!!!  i would put some up but censored for whatever reason prevents me&#8230; whether automatic by size, content, number of posts, etc&#8230; so i am trying to avoid wasting time telling you what will be erased anyway&#8230; now you get less even if it would not be cut out!)</p>
<p>add to this the ideas of white privelege and you get a recipe that preventing things is a hostile environment whites have constructed to protect their society an preserve white supremacy.. (though little is said of chinese supremey in china, japanese supremecy in japan, or even the same in the country of the people claiming it here!!!)<br />
[edited for length by n-n]</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/14/our-insane-immigration-vetting/#comment-946025</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mark Steyn: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.steynonline.com/7365/celebrating-a-deserter-in-the-rose-garden&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Celebrating a Deserter in the Rose Garden&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;If there were a real press in this country, someone would ask Obama how it is that he became the first president to host a Rose Garden celebration for a deserter.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All of a piece. So we&#039;ll have little surprise that direct questions won&#039;t be demanded of President VettBitterClingers]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Steyn: <a href="http://www.steynonline.com/7365/celebrating-a-deserter-in-the-rose-garden" rel="nofollow">Celebrating a Deserter in the Rose Garden</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If there were a real press in this country, someone would ask Obama how it is that he became the first president to host a Rose Garden celebration for a deserter.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>All of a piece. So we&#8217;ll have little surprise that direct questions won&#8217;t be demanded of President VettBitterClingers</p>
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		By: ArtfldgrsGhost		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/14/our-insane-immigration-vetting/#comment-946017</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama sprang Ibrahim Qosi in 2012. Where’d he end up?

    Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) released a new video featuring a former Guantanamo detainee, Ibrahim Qosi, who is also known as Sheikh Khubayb al Sudani.

    In July 2010, Qosi plead guilty to charges of conspiracy and material support for terrorism before a military commission. His plea was part of a deal in which he agreed to cooperate with prosecutors during his remaining time in US custody. Qosi was transferred to his home country of Sudan two years later, in July 2012.

    Qosi joined AQAP in 2014 and became one of its leaders. Qosi and other AQAP commanders discussed their time waging jihad at length in the video, entitled “Guardians of Sharia.”

and

Obama is releasing dangerous terrorists and outright lying about it:

    President Barack Obama says his administration will continue releasing terrorists from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, so long as those released are less dangerous than the jihadists currently fighting against the U.S. and its interests.

    The bizarre argument comes in a new interview with Olivier Knox of Yahoo! News and is one of several comments in their discussion that reinforces the president’s stubborn nonchalance on issues related to jihad. Obama also shrugs off concerns about recidivism of former Guantanamo detainees, suggesting that only a “handful” of former detainees have returned to the fight and claiming that only “low-level” terrorists have been released from the detention facility. Both claims are demonstrably false.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama sprang Ibrahim Qosi in 2012. Where’d he end up?</p>
<p>    Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) released a new video featuring a former Guantanamo detainee, Ibrahim Qosi, who is also known as Sheikh Khubayb al Sudani.</p>
<p>    In July 2010, Qosi plead guilty to charges of conspiracy and material support for terrorism before a military commission. His plea was part of a deal in which he agreed to cooperate with prosecutors during his remaining time in US custody. Qosi was transferred to his home country of Sudan two years later, in July 2012.</p>
<p>    Qosi joined AQAP in 2014 and became one of its leaders. Qosi and other AQAP commanders discussed their time waging jihad at length in the video, entitled “Guardians of Sharia.”</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>Obama is releasing dangerous terrorists and outright lying about it:</p>
<p>    President Barack Obama says his administration will continue releasing terrorists from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, so long as those released are less dangerous than the jihadists currently fighting against the U.S. and its interests.</p>
<p>    The bizarre argument comes in a new interview with Olivier Knox of Yahoo! News and is one of several comments in their discussion that reinforces the president’s stubborn nonchalance on issues related to jihad. Obama also shrugs off concerns about recidivism of former Guantanamo detainees, suggesting that only a “handful” of former detainees have returned to the fight and claiming that only “low-level” terrorists have been released from the detention facility. Both claims are demonstrably false.</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/14/our-insane-immigration-vetting/#comment-946014</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The jihadista of San Bernardino, Malik Tashfeen, passed three DHS background checks when immigrating to the United States. The Obama administration looks the other way when it comes to social media postings- on the part of immigrants. Tashfeen openly supported violent jihad but in the Obama regime that’s not a disqualifier. The boss at DHS wouldn’t allow it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;    Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson resisted calls last year to allow immigration agents to review visa applicants’ social media activity because of fear of “bad public relations,” according to a former agency official.

    “During that time period immigration officials were not allowed to use or view social media as part of the screening process,” John Cohen, a former under-secretary at DHS for intelligence and analysis, told ABC News, where he now works as a national security consultant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

contrasted with

&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama and Johnson, however, do approve of monitoring the social media of American citizens.

    &lt;blockquote&gt;In its “National Operations Center Media Monitoring Capability Desktop Reference Binder,” published in 2011, DHS encouraged agents to compile reports based upon a list of items of interest (IOI) which included discussions on sites like Twitter and Facebook about “policy directives, debates and implementations related to DHS.”

    Ginger McCall, whose group, the Electronic Privacy Information Center, obtained the manual through a Freedom of Information Act request, told The New York Times in 2012 said that DHS was essentially monitoring the Internet “for criticism of the government.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Apparently that is “who we are.” - author of above, see flopping aces...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The jihadista of San Bernardino, Malik Tashfeen, passed three DHS background checks when immigrating to the United States. The Obama administration looks the other way when it comes to social media postings- on the part of immigrants. Tashfeen openly supported violent jihad but in the Obama regime that’s not a disqualifier. The boss at DHS wouldn’t allow it.</p>
<blockquote><p>    Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson resisted calls last year to allow immigration agents to review visa applicants’ social media activity because of fear of “bad public relations,” according to a former agency official.</p>
<p>    “During that time period immigration officials were not allowed to use or view social media as part of the screening process,” John Cohen, a former under-secretary at DHS for intelligence and analysis, told ABC News, where he now works as a national security consultant.</p></blockquote>
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<p>contrasted with</p>
<blockquote><p>Obama and Johnson, however, do approve of monitoring the social media of American citizens.</p>
<blockquote><p>In its “National Operations Center Media Monitoring Capability Desktop Reference Binder,” published in 2011, DHS encouraged agents to compile reports based upon a list of items of interest (IOI) which included discussions on sites like Twitter and Facebook about “policy directives, debates and implementations related to DHS.”</p>
<p>    Ginger McCall, whose group, the Electronic Privacy Information Center, obtained the manual through a Freedom of Information Act request, told The New York Times in 2012 said that DHS was essentially monitoring the Internet “for criticism of the government.”</p></blockquote>
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<p>Apparently that is “who we are.” &#8211; author of above, see flopping aces&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 14:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the Left&#039;s failings, at least with me, is that I have too good a memory.  I see plenty of evidence on Neoneocon that there are too many others who are rocky soil for the growth of the propaganda memes. So, I remember, and I know that y&#039;all do too, the constant complaints that Gitmo detainees were not Mirandized, etc, thus tainting efforts to prosecute them, as if we ever intended to prosecute these fools.  Now, that doesn&#039;t matter any more, I guess, so they spoil a crime scene, don&#039;t dust for prints, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the Left&#8217;s failings, at least with me, is that I have too good a memory.  I see plenty of evidence on Neoneocon that there are too many others who are rocky soil for the growth of the propaganda memes. So, I remember, and I know that y&#8217;all do too, the constant complaints that Gitmo detainees were not Mirandized, etc, thus tainting efforts to prosecute them, as if we ever intended to prosecute these fools.  Now, that doesn&#8217;t matter any more, I guess, so they spoil a crime scene, don&#8217;t dust for prints, etc.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And while we&#039;re at it, we must make every effort to ensure that we DO NOT vet the mosques.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/09/while-we-fight-over-trump-france-closes-3-mosques-finds-hundreds-of-weapons/

File under: Far better to be a mass murderer than be branded a racist....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while we&#8217;re at it, we must make every effort to ensure that we DO NOT vet the mosques.</p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/09/while-we-fight-over-trump-france-closes-3-mosques-finds-hundreds-of-weapons/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/09/while-we-fight-over-trump-france-closes-3-mosques-finds-hundreds-of-weapons/</a></p>
<p>File under: Far better to be a mass murderer than be branded a racist&#8230;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;If you’re looking for a job,&quot;
Heck, I check social media before I go on a date!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you’re looking for a job,&#8221;<br />
Heck, I check social media before I go on a date!</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Government officials are conveniently exempt from personal responsibility]]></description>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Be sure there will be more San Bernardinos in the futuro. And surely, not far from the original one. Check this analysis from a veteran:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq16Vg6YmwY]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be sure there will be more San Bernardinos in the futuro. And surely, not far from the original one. Check this analysis from a veteran:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq16Vg6YmwY" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq16Vg6YmwY</a></p>
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