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		By: carl in atlanta		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/11/liberty-yesterday-and-today/#comment-945382</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Texexec: You had it a bit better than I did 12 years later, but I had it great. We rode the buses in Atlanta as well; went wherever we wanted. Those days are gone; neither our children nor grandchildren can even conceive of the freedoms we had growing up. I&#039;m afraid Frog is correct.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texexec: You had it a bit better than I did 12 years later, but I had it great. We rode the buses in Atlanta as well; went wherever we wanted. Those days are gone; neither our children nor grandchildren can even conceive of the freedoms we had growing up. I&#8217;m afraid Frog is correct.</p>
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		By: g6loq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/11/liberty-yesterday-and-today/#comment-945315</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 19:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They&#039;re petulant:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3371518/posts&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Per Perlstein, Trump has unleashed forces in his supporters &quot;that are more animalistic than human.&quot; Perlstein added that spectacle of the US losing to ISIS has filled Trump fans with &quot;childlike, impotent rage.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;
Pict warning: hipster dhimmi beard...

Wirbel, Perlstein, round up the usual suspects ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re petulant:<br />
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3371518/posts" title="" rel="nofollow">Per Perlstein, Trump has unleashed forces in his supporters &#8220;that are more animalistic than human.&#8221; Perlstein added that spectacle of the US losing to ISIS has filled Trump fans with &#8220;childlike, impotent rage.&#8221;</a><br />
Pict warning: hipster dhimmi beard&#8230;</p>
<p>Wirbel, Perlstein, round up the usual suspects &#8230;</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is possible to recollect a liberal arts college motto: &lt;i&gt;Facio liberos ex liberis libris libraque&lt;/i&gt; -- translated: I make free men out of children by means of books and a balance 


Taking the offer or claim at face value, perhaps America could use the help -- I doubt it would be an injury to try.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to recollect a liberal arts college motto: <i>Facio liberos ex liberis libris libraque</i> &#8212; translated: I make free men out of children by means of books and a balance </p>
<p>Taking the offer or claim at face value, perhaps America could use the help &#8212; I doubt it would be an injury to try.</p>
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		By: g6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 19:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And if you think Trump is bad for our country, the problem isn’t Trump….the problem is our ill informed, unthinking electorate. Until we we get a better electorate (not holding my breath), we won’t have a quality government.

Obama and retinue will be gone someday, their voters will remain.
They&#039;re petulant: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/221195/#respond&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;COLORADO ACLU CHAIRMAN RESIGNS AFTER WRITING ABOUT SHOOTING TRUMP SUPPORTERS:&lt;/a&gt;

[Loring] Wirbel’s Facebook post read: “The thing is, we have to really reach out to those who might consider voting for Trump and say, ‘This is Goebbels. This is the final solution. If you are voting for him I will have to shoot you before election day.’ They’re not going to listen to reason, so when justice is gone, there’s always force, as Laurie would say.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you think Trump is bad for our country, the problem isn’t Trump….the problem is our ill informed, unthinking electorate. Until we we get a better electorate (not holding my breath), we won’t have a quality government.</p>
<p>Obama and retinue will be gone someday, their voters will remain.<br />
They&#8217;re petulant:<br />
<a href="http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/221195/#respond" title="" rel="nofollow">COLORADO ACLU CHAIRMAN RESIGNS AFTER WRITING ABOUT SHOOTING TRUMP SUPPORTERS:</a></p>
<p>[Loring] Wirbel’s Facebook post read: “The thing is, we have to really reach out to those who might consider voting for Trump and say, ‘This is Goebbels. This is the final solution. If you are voting for him I will have to shoot you before election day.’ They’re not going to listen to reason, so when justice is gone, there’s always force, as Laurie would say.”</p>
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		By: texexec		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 18:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[carl in atlanta said:

&quot;Every time I see a thread about “Liberty” I can’t help but recall my own childhood from the 1950’s and 60’s and compare all the simple freedoms I enjoyed to the ever-more-restrictive and closely monitored lives of the last two generations. Pick up ball games. Leaving home most Saturday mornings knowing that I could go wherever I wanted for as long as I wanted, as long as I was back home by suppertime.

Most of us here are Boomers who had similar childhood freedoms. Now fast forward to the present and imagine the horror you’d have if your own grandchildren attempted to engage in the same childhood pastimes you did.

We’ve come a long way baby.&quot;

Carl,

I&#039;m 77 years old and went to high school in the 50&#039;s so I remember those days as well.  When I was 11 years old, I used to go to Dallas Eagles baseball games at night...had to take a bus to downtown Dallas....transferred to a street car to get to the game...and reversed that route to get home at about 11:00PM....all by myself with no adults accompanying me.   I used to go to the library in downtown Dallas and spend hours there all alone.  I delivered circulars in the worst parts of Dallas in the summers...got there on buses and spent all day doing it...no adults present.

Ah....those were the days...And I really don&#039;t think our lives are better now.

I want to add something that&#039;s somewhat off topic...there&#039;s been a lot of discussion here on this blog about how bad Trump is.  I think he&#039;s onto something important...namely the professional political class running things in our government and people getting sick and tired of &quot;political correctness&quot;.

Our founders were from all walks of life...they were NOT professional politicians.  And many weren&#039;t lawyers...letting lawyers make our laws is like letting a fox guard the chicken house.

And if you think Trump is bad for our country, the problem isn&#039;t Trump....the problem is our ill informed, unthinking electorate.  Until we we get a better electorate (not holding my breath), we won&#039;t have a quality government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carl in atlanta said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Every time I see a thread about “Liberty” I can’t help but recall my own childhood from the 1950’s and 60’s and compare all the simple freedoms I enjoyed to the ever-more-restrictive and closely monitored lives of the last two generations. Pick up ball games. Leaving home most Saturday mornings knowing that I could go wherever I wanted for as long as I wanted, as long as I was back home by suppertime.</p>
<p>Most of us here are Boomers who had similar childhood freedoms. Now fast forward to the present and imagine the horror you’d have if your own grandchildren attempted to engage in the same childhood pastimes you did.</p>
<p>We’ve come a long way baby.&#8221;</p>
<p>Carl,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 77 years old and went to high school in the 50&#8217;s so I remember those days as well.  When I was 11 years old, I used to go to Dallas Eagles baseball games at night&#8230;had to take a bus to downtown Dallas&#8230;.transferred to a street car to get to the game&#8230;and reversed that route to get home at about 11:00PM&#8230;.all by myself with no adults accompanying me.   I used to go to the library in downtown Dallas and spend hours there all alone.  I delivered circulars in the worst parts of Dallas in the summers&#8230;got there on buses and spent all day doing it&#8230;no adults present.</p>
<p>Ah&#8230;.those were the days&#8230;And I really don&#8217;t think our lives are better now.</p>
<p>I want to add something that&#8217;s somewhat off topic&#8230;there&#8217;s been a lot of discussion here on this blog about how bad Trump is.  I think he&#8217;s onto something important&#8230;namely the professional political class running things in our government and people getting sick and tired of &#8220;political correctness&#8221;.</p>
<p>Our founders were from all walks of life&#8230;they were NOT professional politicians.  And many weren&#8217;t lawyers&#8230;letting lawyers make our laws is like letting a fox guard the chicken house.</p>
<p>And if you think Trump is bad for our country, the problem isn&#8217;t Trump&#8230;.the problem is our ill informed, unthinking electorate.  Until we we get a better electorate (not holding my breath), we won&#8217;t have a quality government.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 18:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[carl in atlanta @10:46:
What Americans did not willingly surrender in the 1960s was taken away from them then. We gave half of the &quot;store&quot; to the looters, and the looters rewarded us by stealing the other half.

We&#039;re done. Neo may not agree, but so it goes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carl in atlanta @10:46:<br />
What Americans did not willingly surrender in the 1960s was taken away from them then. We gave half of the &#8220;store&#8221; to the looters, and the looters rewarded us by stealing the other half.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re done. Neo may not agree, but so it goes.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 18:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I heard Dennis Miller &quot;roughly quoting&quot; one of our Founding Fathers(He &quot;thought&quot; it was Ben Franklin)a few years ago which I love, use and cherish: &quot;EQUALITY(Maybe the &#039;Founder&#039; used &quot;Democracy&quot;...)is 2-wolves and a sheep sitting down for supper. LIBERTY is the sheep coming to table fully armed and ready to contest the meal.&quot;
_____________________________
No wonder us Evil Cons &#038; Neocons far, FAR prefer Liberty. Baa-Daa-Bing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Dennis Miller &#8220;roughly quoting&#8221; one of our Founding Fathers(He &#8220;thought&#8221; it was Ben Franklin)a few years ago which I love, use and cherish: &#8220;EQUALITY(Maybe the &#8216;Founder&#8217; used &#8220;Democracy&#8221;&#8230;)is 2-wolves and a sheep sitting down for supper. LIBERTY is the sheep coming to table fully armed and ready to contest the meal.&#8221;<br />
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No wonder us Evil Cons &amp; Neocons far, FAR prefer Liberty. Baa-Daa-Bing.</p>
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		By: g6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Sergey&lt;/i&gt; Says: 
December 12th, 2015 at 11:16 am

&lt;i&gt;Enoch Powell was right warning us 50 years ago about dangers of unrestricted immigration. Rivers of blood lie ahead, and we must cross them on foot, up to throats in it.&lt;/i&gt;
It has happened before:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/NiallFerguson/article1633179.ece&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Like the Roman Empire, Europe has let its defences crumble&lt;/a&gt;

Key sentence:
 At the same time it has opened its gates to outsiders who have coveted its wealth &lt;b&gt;without renouncing their ancestral faith.&lt;/b&gt;
Again and again .... tedious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sergey</i> Says:<br />
December 12th, 2015 at 11:16 am</p>
<p><i>Enoch Powell was right warning us 50 years ago about dangers of unrestricted immigration. Rivers of blood lie ahead, and we must cross them on foot, up to throats in it.</i><br />
It has happened before:<br />
<a href="http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/NiallFerguson/article1633179.ece" title="" rel="nofollow">Like the Roman Empire, Europe has let its defences crumble</a></p>
<p>Key sentence:<br />
 At the same time it has opened its gates to outsiders who have coveted its wealth <b>without renouncing their ancestral faith.</b><br />
Again and again &#8230;. tedious.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even Larry Kudlow got it at last. See 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Larry Kudlow got it at last. See<br />
realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/12/12/ive_changed_this_is_war_seal_the_borders_stop_the_visas_129021.html</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are at war and must behave accordingly. We are all Jews now - Jews and gentiles, Christians and atheists, liberals and conservatives, warmongers and pacifists. All these distinctions mean nothing to our sworn enemies. Enoch Powell was right warning us 50 years ago about dangers of unrestricted immigration. Rivers of blood lie ahead, and we must cross them on foot, up to throats in it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are at war and must behave accordingly. We are all Jews now &#8211; Jews and gentiles, Christians and atheists, liberals and conservatives, warmongers and pacifists. All these distinctions mean nothing to our sworn enemies. Enoch Powell was right warning us 50 years ago about dangers of unrestricted immigration. Rivers of blood lie ahead, and we must cross them on foot, up to throats in it.</p>
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