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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/08/whats-wrong-with-trumps-proposal/#comment-944738</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo: 
&quot;I happen to think the alt-Right is on course to guarantee the election of Hillary Clinton.&quot;

They&#039;ll accept that to achieve their proximate goal. 

&lt;b&gt;Ymarsakar&lt;/b&gt;:
&quot;That’s because the alliance was created specifically to fight a common enemy, the Leftist alliance.&quot; 

They&#039;ve grouped mainstream conservatives and the GOP with the &quot;Leftist alliance&quot;. 

They&#039;re against the Left, but for them, the mainstream conservatives of the Right are on the same side of the line as the Left. At best, they&#039;re voluntary human shields and collateral damage if they don&#039;t remove themselves from the line of fire. At worst, they&#039;re complicit &quot;cuckservatives&quot; recalling GK Chesterton&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/57178-the-whole-modern-world-has-divided-itself-into-conservatives-and&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;criticism&lt;/a&gt; of conservatives.

&lt;b&gt;Ymarsakar&lt;/b&gt;:
&quot;It wasn’t designed was a MoveOn political PAC or such.&quot;

Different means to a similar end - activism is a workshop of tools.

Moveon.org started with a limited stated mission. But consistent with the MO, it was opportunistic - the issue is never just the issue. It represents a precedent for a recent successful reform movement analogous to the alt-Right campaign.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:<br />
&#8220;I happen to think the alt-Right is on course to guarantee the election of Hillary Clinton.&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll accept that to achieve their proximate goal. </p>
<p><b>Ymarsakar</b>:<br />
&#8220;That’s because the alliance was created specifically to fight a common enemy, the Leftist alliance.&#8221; </p>
<p>They&#8217;ve grouped mainstream conservatives and the GOP with the &#8220;Leftist alliance&#8221;. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re against the Left, but for them, the mainstream conservatives of the Right are on the same side of the line as the Left. At best, they&#8217;re voluntary human shields and collateral damage if they don&#8217;t remove themselves from the line of fire. At worst, they&#8217;re complicit &#8220;cuckservatives&#8221; recalling GK Chesterton&#8217;s <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/57178-the-whole-modern-world-has-divided-itself-into-conservatives-and" rel="nofollow">criticism</a> of conservatives.</p>
<p><b>Ymarsakar</b>:<br />
&#8220;It wasn’t designed was a MoveOn political PAC or such.&#8221;</p>
<p>Different means to a similar end &#8211; activism is a workshop of tools.</p>
<p>Moveon.org started with a limited stated mission. But consistent with the MO, it was opportunistic &#8211; the issue is never just the issue. It represents a precedent for a recent successful reform movement analogous to the alt-Right campaign.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/08/whats-wrong-with-trumps-proposal/#comment-944734</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Of course, this is impossible. So lets do something half assed and let jihadists murder 2,000 in the Mall of America.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The masochist class will only do something once Michael Bloomberg is flayed alive on the streets of New York.

Then what they will do is run to the &quot;hillbillies&quot; for protection, or convert to Islam.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Of course, this is impossible. So lets do something half assed and let jihadists murder 2,000 in the Mall of America.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The masochist class will only do something once Michael Bloomberg is flayed alive on the streets of New York.</p>
<p>Then what they will do is run to the &#8220;hillbillies&#8221; for protection, or convert to Islam.</p>
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		By: PatD		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/08/whats-wrong-with-trumps-proposal/#comment-944700</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@neo-neocon: Obama has one more year. He can let 100,000 - 200,00 Syrian &quot;refugees&quot; in, and he seems to be determined to do that.  Even more can pour across the southern border. 

Trump&#039;s plan, even if it would halt the flow, would be too little, too late. ISIS will take full advantage of the one year window that Obama has granted them.

Eisenhower implemented &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Operation Wetback&lt;/a&gt; (not the most PC name) to remove 2 million illegals. It worked despite fierce opposition from the likes of Lyndon Johnson. 

If we are serious about removing the Jihadist threat in our midst and preventing a Hijrah on our soil, we need &quot;Operation JihadiBeGone&quot;. The threat to the Muslim community would be: turn in your Jihadists or we&#039;ll treat you as Jihadists. A tough approach but the Jihadists have declared war on Western civilization and any Muslims who want to assimilate. 

It took a long time for America to wake up to the Nazi threat, although Roosevelt figured it out, and planned for eventual entry into the war. As a subject of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, I get really annoyed when Americans talk about the war beginning in 1941. It started in 1939 and the British Empire fought alone for two dark years against the Nazis and the Japs.

At some point, modern America is going to wake up to the fact that radical Islam is an existential threat, whether it be Sunni Jihadists or nuclear armed Shiites. Apparently, 9/11 wasn&#039;t enough. Would an EMP over the NorthEast do it?

You may loathe Trump with a burning passion, but he has at least moved the public debate to considering the threats posed by radical Islam. 

I was talking to my Serbian personal trainer today, and he said &quot;I&#039;m seeing way too many burqas in my [downtown] neighborhood. I feel like we&#039;re being invaded.&quot; He doesn&#039;t vote and we mainly talk about sports and food. I think he&#039;ll be voting.

I said previously in a comment on this blog that the two big issues in 2016 will be illegal immigration and Islam. The GOP didn&#039;t want that. The Democrats didn&#039;t want that. The media didn&#039;t want that.

But that is what they have to deal with, and the electorate will judge them on those issues. Trump put those issues on the table.

Except for Ted Cruz, who weaved and dodged, every GOP candidate dumped on Trump for saying we need to pause Muslim immigration. Are they all nuts? Instead of floating around in the DC bubble, maybe they should have done some townhalls and rallies and asked their supporters what they thought. Early days, but it looks like Trump&#039;s poll numbers just went up again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@neo-neocon: Obama has one more year. He can let 100,000 &#8211; 200,00 Syrian &#8220;refugees&#8221; in, and he seems to be determined to do that.  Even more can pour across the southern border. </p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s plan, even if it would halt the flow, would be too little, too late. ISIS will take full advantage of the one year window that Obama has granted them.</p>
<p>Eisenhower implemented <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html" rel="nofollow">Operation Wetback</a> (not the most PC name) to remove 2 million illegals. It worked despite fierce opposition from the likes of Lyndon Johnson. </p>
<p>If we are serious about removing the Jihadist threat in our midst and preventing a Hijrah on our soil, we need &#8220;Operation JihadiBeGone&#8221;. The threat to the Muslim community would be: turn in your Jihadists or we&#8217;ll treat you as Jihadists. A tough approach but the Jihadists have declared war on Western civilization and any Muslims who want to assimilate. </p>
<p>It took a long time for America to wake up to the Nazi threat, although Roosevelt figured it out, and planned for eventual entry into the war. As a subject of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, I get really annoyed when Americans talk about the war beginning in 1941. It started in 1939 and the British Empire fought alone for two dark years against the Nazis and the Japs.</p>
<p>At some point, modern America is going to wake up to the fact that radical Islam is an existential threat, whether it be Sunni Jihadists or nuclear armed Shiites. Apparently, 9/11 wasn&#8217;t enough. Would an EMP over the NorthEast do it?</p>
<p>You may loathe Trump with a burning passion, but he has at least moved the public debate to considering the threats posed by radical Islam. </p>
<p>I was talking to my Serbian personal trainer today, and he said &#8220;I&#8217;m seeing way too many burqas in my [downtown] neighborhood. I feel like we&#8217;re being invaded.&#8221; He doesn&#8217;t vote and we mainly talk about sports and food. I think he&#8217;ll be voting.</p>
<p>I said previously in a comment on this blog that the two big issues in 2016 will be illegal immigration and Islam. The GOP didn&#8217;t want that. The Democrats didn&#8217;t want that. The media didn&#8217;t want that.</p>
<p>But that is what they have to deal with, and the electorate will judge them on those issues. Trump put those issues on the table.</p>
<p>Except for Ted Cruz, who weaved and dodged, every GOP candidate dumped on Trump for saying we need to pause Muslim immigration. Are they all nuts? Instead of floating around in the DC bubble, maybe they should have done some townhalls and rallies and asked their supporters what they thought. Early days, but it looks like Trump&#8217;s poll numbers just went up again.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/08/whats-wrong-with-trumps-proposal/#comment-944668</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PatD:

Actually, I have little doubt that a Hijrah is what is going on, and I have felt it to be a possibility for quite some time (I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2015/09/08/john-hinderaker-has-a-question-about-the-tsunami-of-refugees-arriving-in-europe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a post&lt;/a&gt; back in September that mentioned it).

It does not follow from that, however, that Trump&#039;s solution would work.  I have explained over and over why I think it wouldn&#039;t accomplish what people think it would accomplish.  I&#039;m not going to repeat myself here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PatD:</p>
<p>Actually, I have little doubt that a Hijrah is what is going on, and I have felt it to be a possibility for quite some time (I wrote <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2015/09/08/john-hinderaker-has-a-question-about-the-tsunami-of-refugees-arriving-in-europe/" rel="nofollow">a post</a> back in September that mentioned it).</p>
<p>It does not follow from that, however, that Trump&#8217;s solution would work.  I have explained over and over why I think it wouldn&#8217;t accomplish what people think it would accomplish.  I&#8217;m not going to repeat myself here.</p>
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		By: PatD		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/08/whats-wrong-with-trumps-proposal/#comment-944667</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/12/09/are-we-witnessing-a-worldwide-hijrah-i-e-jihad-by-emigration/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;we are witnessing a worldwide “Hijrah”&lt;/a&gt;, then Trump is exactly right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If <a href="http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/12/09/are-we-witnessing-a-worldwide-hijrah-i-e-jihad-by-emigration/" rel="nofollow">we are witnessing a worldwide “Hijrah”</a>, then Trump is exactly right.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/08/whats-wrong-with-trumps-proposal/#comment-944640</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 01:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The history and creation of the Alternative Right has its own particular story.

People like to call them that, because it&#039;s obvious that they aren&#039;t the anti Sarah Palin cuckservatives of 2008 or the turtling defensive Republicans like the ones in DC or even the compassionate neo con conservatism of Bush II&#039;s war campaigns. Something is different.

That&#039;s because the alliance was created specifically to fight a common enemy, the Leftist alliance. It wasn&#039;t designed was a MoveOn political PAC or such.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The history and creation of the Alternative Right has its own particular story.</p>
<p>People like to call them that, because it&#8217;s obvious that they aren&#8217;t the anti Sarah Palin cuckservatives of 2008 or the turtling defensive Republicans like the ones in DC or even the compassionate neo con conservatism of Bush II&#8217;s war campaigns. Something is different.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because the alliance was created specifically to fight a common enemy, the Leftist alliance. It wasn&#8217;t designed was a MoveOn political PAC or such.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/08/whats-wrong-with-trumps-proposal/#comment-944624</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Parker,

This is why I&#039;m opposed to the 72% males flowing into Europe with nothing but clothes and a cell phone.

You can&#039;t have soldier aged men with those kinds of numbers with no verification or vetting flowing into your country. They will have a disaster. Correction: They have had disasters and will have more and worse disasters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parker,</p>
<p>This is why I&#8217;m opposed to the 72% males flowing into Europe with nothing but clothes and a cell phone.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t have soldier aged men with those kinds of numbers with no verification or vetting flowing into your country. They will have a disaster. Correction: They have had disasters and will have more and worse disasters.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not a fan of the donald, but someone please provide a comprehensive plan to assure with 95% certainty that will identify potential jihadists coming into the country from any muslim majority country or area within a country with a large muslim minority.  This plan should include intense scrutiny of returning American citizens or those who are not citizens but reside here legally. It must also include continuous  tracking of those who are allowed to enter for a period of 5 years.

Of course, this is impossible. So lets do something half assed and let jihadists murder 2,000 in the Mall of America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a fan of the donald, but someone please provide a comprehensive plan to assure with 95% certainty that will identify potential jihadists coming into the country from any muslim majority country or area within a country with a large muslim minority.  This plan should include intense scrutiny of returning American citizens or those who are not citizens but reside here legally. It must also include continuous  tracking of those who are allowed to enter for a period of 5 years.</p>
<p>Of course, this is impossible. So lets do something half assed and let jihadists murder 2,000 in the Mall of America.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That alt-right business sounds rather like a &lt;i&gt;Gleichschaltung&lt;/i&gt;: people are going to have to -- shudder -- get their minds right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That alt-right business sounds rather like a <i>Gleichschaltung</i>: people are going to have to &#8212; shudder &#8212; get their minds right.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/12/08/whats-wrong-with-trumps-proposal/#comment-944588</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 22:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s inarticulate at best.

Offensive and divisive.

Not able to solve these problems and do want to know why?

Because in this country you have to be persuasive - you can&#039;t be a king.

He&#039;s not persuasive any more than Obama is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s inarticulate at best.</p>
<p>Offensive and divisive.</p>
<p>Not able to solve these problems and do want to know why?</p>
<p>Because in this country you have to be persuasive &#8211; you can&#8217;t be a king.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s not persuasive any more than Obama is.</p>
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