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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[But here’s the thing: “among Jordanians, factory work tends to be seen as shameful.” I’m reading T.E. Lawrence at the moment and that was his evaluation of the Arab culture as well. Slaves and servants did all the work in those days and I see no reason to believe that attitude has changed much over the last 90 years.

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And all the Arabs are above average....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But here’s the thing: “among Jordanians, factory work tends to be seen as shameful.” I’m reading T.E. Lawrence at the moment and that was his evaluation of the Arab culture as well. Slaves and servants did all the work in those days and I see no reason to believe that attitude has changed much over the last 90 years.</p>
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And all the Arabs are above average&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;my ghost thing has to do with someting else&lt;/b&gt;

Okay, so your train is fine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>my ghost thing has to do with someting else</b></p>
<p>Okay, so your train is fine.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bryan, nice summary of the situation ala the competing religious and ethnic groups in Syria, Turkey, and Iraq. Re-drawing national boundaries to create more religiously homogenous entities makes a lot of sense to me.  Now, if the multi-culti, SJW, &quot;It&#039;s a Small World After All&quot; progressives would consider it, their might be a possibility of some peace in the next 20 years. 

What we are seeing in the ME reminds me of the old saying my Grandmother taught me.  
&quot;Birds of a feather flock together
And so do pigs and swine.
Ducks and geese will have their choice,
And so will I have mine.&quot;

When given a choice humans prefer to live among/with people who share their cultural values.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan, nice summary of the situation ala the competing religious and ethnic groups in Syria, Turkey, and Iraq. Re-drawing national boundaries to create more religiously homogenous entities makes a lot of sense to me.  Now, if the multi-culti, SJW, &#8220;It&#8217;s a Small World After All&#8221; progressives would consider it, their might be a possibility of some peace in the next 20 years. </p>
<p>What we are seeing in the ME reminds me of the old saying my Grandmother taught me.<br />
&#8220;Birds of a feather flock together<br />
And so do pigs and swine.<br />
Ducks and geese will have their choice,<br />
And so will I have mine.&#8221;</p>
<p>When given a choice humans prefer to live among/with people who share their cultural values.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[snopercod:

I wouldn&#039;t swear to this---memory can play tricks---but I think I remember having worn garments that said &quot;made in Jordan&quot; inside.]]></description>
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<p>I wouldn&#8217;t swear to this&#8212;memory can play tricks&#8212;but I think I remember having worn garments that said &#8220;made in Jordan&#8221; inside.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The only real solution is....&quot;

Actually the only real solution is some form of neo-colonialism.

But that&#039;s a pipe dream.

The reason for that is that the elites have decided that helping out refugees (or whatever one wishes to call them) is not the priority here.

Not at all.

The elites have decided that the time has come to punish the west for the first round of colonialism.

And the means of doing so are finally at hand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only real solution is&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually the only real solution is some form of neo-colonialism.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s a pipe dream.</p>
<p>The reason for that is that the elites have decided that helping out refugees (or whatever one wishes to call them) is not the priority here.</p>
<p>Not at all.</p>
<p>The elites have decided that the time has come to punish the west for the first round of colonialism.</p>
<p>And the means of doing so are finally at hand.</p>
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		By: Bryan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Christian Syrians are certainly in a lamentable position, but I hardly think that Sunni Syrians have much more of an option of returning home. There are essentially two groups controlling the great majority of Syria: the Islamic State and the Assad regime. Now, if you&#039;re a Sunni Syrian, neither of these options is really palatable. The Islamic State is not a great place to live, both because of the distasteful nature of the regime and the possibility of being blown to smithereens by us or, should they ever actually attack IS, the Russians. On the other hand, the regime is run by the Alawite sect and acts increasingly like an Alawite militia. If they&#039;re pushed to the brink, they&#039;ll probably resort to ethnically cleansing the Alawite homeland (the coast west of the An-Nusayriyah Mountains) of Sunnis and just fortifying themselves there. Moving to the regime-controlled territory is betting on the goodwill of a heretical sect that sees you as an existential threat and a potential traitor. Sure, the Islamic State won&#039;t *immediately* kill you like they might if you were a Christian, but they&#039;ll force you to live like a religious fanatic, which, despite the rhetoric, is not what a majority of Syrian Arabs want. 

Jordan may be superficially culturally similar, but Turkey and Lebanon are certainly not. Turkey is &quot;culturally similar&quot; to Arabs in the same way that Austria is &quot;culturally similar&quot; to Czechs. They might share the same religion, but there is a long history of pseudo-colonial control on one side, and a resentment of that control on the other. Moreover, Turkey hates having minorities: its overriding concern is preventing secessionist movements from succeeding. As for Lebanon, the idea of the Christians or Shia agreeing to assimilate another million Sunnis in the country--which give the Sunnis a plurality if not a majority of the population--is laughable. And despite Jordan&#039;s Sunni Arab majority, its regime--which is the most America-friendly part of that country--rests on top of a delicate balance between Bedouins and Palestinians.

Also, I don&#039;t think anyone (especially the Turks, Lebanese, or Jordanians) blame us for our reluctance to take refugees, but rather our reluctance to take such a tiny proportion of refugees. It&#039;s not like Lebanese people rolled out the red carpet for a million Syrians--they host them because the Syrians were able to walk in, and now those Syrians are their responsibility. But I can see how the refusal by a country of almost 320 million to take in 1% of the refugees being handled by a country of 4 million would seem absurd. It&#039;s doubly absurd to the Lebanese, who roll their eyes at the possibility of the pinpricks of terrorism we might theoretically suffer from a Syrian refugee, when they fought a massive and incredibly bloody civil war precipitated by the arrival of Sunni Arab refugees.

The only real solution is getting control over a substantial portion of Syria back and accommodating DPs and refugees there. Ideally, we would allow Syria and Iraq to be partitioned into slightly more homogeneous nation-states: as it is, we&#039;re fighting for the unity of Yugoslavia despite the wishes of its inhabitants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian Syrians are certainly in a lamentable position, but I hardly think that Sunni Syrians have much more of an option of returning home. There are essentially two groups controlling the great majority of Syria: the Islamic State and the Assad regime. Now, if you&#8217;re a Sunni Syrian, neither of these options is really palatable. The Islamic State is not a great place to live, both because of the distasteful nature of the regime and the possibility of being blown to smithereens by us or, should they ever actually attack IS, the Russians. On the other hand, the regime is run by the Alawite sect and acts increasingly like an Alawite militia. If they&#8217;re pushed to the brink, they&#8217;ll probably resort to ethnically cleansing the Alawite homeland (the coast west of the An-Nusayriyah Mountains) of Sunnis and just fortifying themselves there. Moving to the regime-controlled territory is betting on the goodwill of a heretical sect that sees you as an existential threat and a potential traitor. Sure, the Islamic State won&#8217;t *immediately* kill you like they might if you were a Christian, but they&#8217;ll force you to live like a religious fanatic, which, despite the rhetoric, is not what a majority of Syrian Arabs want. </p>
<p>Jordan may be superficially culturally similar, but Turkey and Lebanon are certainly not. Turkey is &#8220;culturally similar&#8221; to Arabs in the same way that Austria is &#8220;culturally similar&#8221; to Czechs. They might share the same religion, but there is a long history of pseudo-colonial control on one side, and a resentment of that control on the other. Moreover, Turkey hates having minorities: its overriding concern is preventing secessionist movements from succeeding. As for Lebanon, the idea of the Christians or Shia agreeing to assimilate another million Sunnis in the country&#8211;which give the Sunnis a plurality if not a majority of the population&#8211;is laughable. And despite Jordan&#8217;s Sunni Arab majority, its regime&#8211;which is the most America-friendly part of that country&#8211;rests on top of a delicate balance between Bedouins and Palestinians.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t think anyone (especially the Turks, Lebanese, or Jordanians) blame us for our reluctance to take refugees, but rather our reluctance to take such a tiny proportion of refugees. It&#8217;s not like Lebanese people rolled out the red carpet for a million Syrians&#8211;they host them because the Syrians were able to walk in, and now those Syrians are their responsibility. But I can see how the refusal by a country of almost 320 million to take in 1% of the refugees being handled by a country of 4 million would seem absurd. It&#8217;s doubly absurd to the Lebanese, who roll their eyes at the possibility of the pinpricks of terrorism we might theoretically suffer from a Syrian refugee, when they fought a massive and incredibly bloody civil war precipitated by the arrival of Sunni Arab refugees.</p>
<p>The only real solution is getting control over a substantial portion of Syria back and accommodating DPs and refugees there. Ideally, we would allow Syria and Iraq to be partitioned into slightly more homogeneous nation-states: as it is, we&#8217;re fighting for the unity of Yugoslavia despite the wishes of its inhabitants.</p>
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		By: snopercod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[blert: My apologies; The article I read wasn&#039;t in the NYT, it was here: http://www.businessoffashion.com/articles/global-currents/made-in-jordan-garment-manufacturing-industry

The article says &quot;There are around 55,000 garment workers in Jordan, and about 75 percent of them are from Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Madagascar.&quot; Apparently the Jordanians don&#039;t want this work - men especially since ninety percent of the workers are women. (The companies had to set up special areas to segregate the female workers, or course).

These factories were built to &quot;help&quot; the Jordanians, but very few of them will work there. Is it the money? The article says &quot;A monthly minimum wage of just 110 Jordanian Dinars (about $155) for garment sector employees makes it an attractive set-up.&quot; That doesn&#039;t sound &quot;attractive&quot; to me, since the median wage in Jordan is $1,500 JOD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blert: My apologies; The article I read wasn&#8217;t in the NYT, it was here: <a href="http://www.businessoffashion.com/articles/global-currents/made-in-jordan-garment-manufacturing-industry" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.businessoffashion.com/articles/global-currents/made-in-jordan-garment-manufacturing-industry</a></p>
<p>The article says &#8220;There are around 55,000 garment workers in Jordan, and about 75 percent of them are from Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Madagascar.&#8221; Apparently the Jordanians don&#8217;t want this work &#8211; men especially since ninety percent of the workers are women. (The companies had to set up special areas to segregate the female workers, or course).</p>
<p>These factories were built to &#8220;help&#8221; the Jordanians, but very few of them will work there. Is it the money? The article says &#8220;A monthly minimum wage of just 110 Jordanian Dinars (about $155) for garment sector employees makes it an attractive set-up.&#8221; That doesn&#8217;t sound &#8220;attractive&#8221; to me, since the median wage in Jordan is $1,500 JOD.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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Mastering the Art of the Baby Juggle at Holiday Gatherings Does ‘Downton Abbey’ Have a Problem with Christians? Majority of Americans Feel Alienated by What Is Presented to Them as Their Country Not Even a Criminal Referral to the Dept. of Justi]]></description>
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<p>Mastering the Art of the Baby Juggle at Holiday Gatherings Does ‘Downton Abbey’ Have a Problem with Christians? Majority of Americans Feel Alienated by What Is Presented to Them as Their Country Not Even a Criminal Referral to the Dept. of Justi</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 04:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[snopercod Says:
November 24th, 2015 at 8:36 pm

neo and blert: After a little research, I discovered that Jordan has (had?) a garment industry. From a NY Times articles complaining about sweatshops:

    There are currently 75 factories producing everything from towels to t-shirts, fleeces to frilly knickers. They account for 95 percent of the industrial workforce, and 95 percent of apparel exports.

The article mentioned “Gap, Victoria’s Secret, Hanes, Eddie Bauer, Lands’ End or Macy’s”.

But here’s the thing: “among Jordanians, factory work tends to be seen as shameful.” I’m reading T.E. Lawrence at the moment and that was his evaluation of the Arab culture as well. Slaves and servants did all the work in those days and I see no reason to believe that attitude has changed much over the last 90 years.

%%%

Preach it brother.

I&#039;ve been posting of that cultural reality -- and have been snubbed for doing so.

Arabs (male adults) see themselves warriors// jihadis and layabouts. 

This is exactly how Gulf Arabs live -- and don&#039;t work.

When Muslims reach Europe, they plop down and get back to doing nothing, which is where their expertise lies.

The more industrious craft custom suicide belts -- which are not habit forming, I will say.

Their spouses don&#039;t expect anything different. None scold their masters in any way. ( Dare they ? Nope.)

This culture of sloth is identical in every way to that of the antebellum slave aristocracy. They were lazy -- as the work was a slave&#039;s role. And the slaves were lazy because they were taxed at 100% of their labor income. Hence, all heavy slave labor was forced labor. 

(House slaves usually figured that they were &#039;on parole&#039; and had better put out or much worse may come. It was common for cute gals to tend house -- and then be sent to the fields when a fresh (young, cute) replacement became available. The DNA evidence is clear, &#039;romance&#039; was often a major factor.)

Likewise, Muslims figure that raping and enslaving kafir females as chattel is the most pleasurable form of jihad.

So, rape stats in Europe have rocketed to the Moon. These tallies are suppressed by TPTB as they rupture the narrative.

The idea that military-aged Muslims -- many are ex-Mercs -- are going to step-and-fetch-it for elderly kafir -- is sick and twisted dreaming. They will dig graves, instead.

Army ants make poor house pets.

Arrogant, lazy, Muslim, professional, bums roving the day time streets looking to rape wives, daughters and beat down ones sons are no improvement.

It would take Nazi levels of repression to keep them at bay, something that many Germans are coming to realize. 

%%%

What galls me the most, Muslims being conflated with Jews. Muslims were the last, die-hard, allies that Nazi Germany had.

Muslims, culturally, are re-tread Nazis. The supreme egos, enslavement, violence, feral warfare, deceits, cultural outrages -- they are all there.

All of which makes me question the sanity and reality of American Progressive Jews who are advocating for more alien invasion. 

Didn&#039;t they get the memo ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snopercod Says:<br />
November 24th, 2015 at 8:36 pm</p>
<p>neo and blert: After a little research, I discovered that Jordan has (had?) a garment industry. From a NY Times articles complaining about sweatshops:</p>
<p>    There are currently 75 factories producing everything from towels to t-shirts, fleeces to frilly knickers. They account for 95 percent of the industrial workforce, and 95 percent of apparel exports.</p>
<p>The article mentioned “Gap, Victoria’s Secret, Hanes, Eddie Bauer, Lands’ End or Macy’s”.</p>
<p>But here’s the thing: “among Jordanians, factory work tends to be seen as shameful.” I’m reading T.E. Lawrence at the moment and that was his evaluation of the Arab culture as well. Slaves and servants did all the work in those days and I see no reason to believe that attitude has changed much over the last 90 years.</p>
<p>%%%</p>
<p>Preach it brother.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been posting of that cultural reality &#8212; and have been snubbed for doing so.</p>
<p>Arabs (male adults) see themselves warriors// jihadis and layabouts. </p>
<p>This is exactly how Gulf Arabs live &#8212; and don&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>When Muslims reach Europe, they plop down and get back to doing nothing, which is where their expertise lies.</p>
<p>The more industrious craft custom suicide belts &#8212; which are not habit forming, I will say.</p>
<p>Their spouses don&#8217;t expect anything different. None scold their masters in any way. ( Dare they ? Nope.)</p>
<p>This culture of sloth is identical in every way to that of the antebellum slave aristocracy. They were lazy &#8212; as the work was a slave&#8217;s role. And the slaves were lazy because they were taxed at 100% of their labor income. Hence, all heavy slave labor was forced labor. </p>
<p>(House slaves usually figured that they were &#8216;on parole&#8217; and had better put out or much worse may come. It was common for cute gals to tend house &#8212; and then be sent to the fields when a fresh (young, cute) replacement became available. The DNA evidence is clear, &#8216;romance&#8217; was often a major factor.)</p>
<p>Likewise, Muslims figure that raping and enslaving kafir females as chattel is the most pleasurable form of jihad.</p>
<p>So, rape stats in Europe have rocketed to the Moon. These tallies are suppressed by TPTB as they rupture the narrative.</p>
<p>The idea that military-aged Muslims &#8212; many are ex-Mercs &#8212; are going to step-and-fetch-it for elderly kafir &#8212; is sick and twisted dreaming. They will dig graves, instead.</p>
<p>Army ants make poor house pets.</p>
<p>Arrogant, lazy, Muslim, professional, bums roving the day time streets looking to rape wives, daughters and beat down ones sons are no improvement.</p>
<p>It would take Nazi levels of repression to keep them at bay, something that many Germans are coming to realize. </p>
<p>%%%</p>
<p>What galls me the most, Muslims being conflated with Jews. Muslims were the last, die-hard, allies that Nazi Germany had.</p>
<p>Muslims, culturally, are re-tread Nazis. The supreme egos, enslavement, violence, feral warfare, deceits, cultural outrages &#8212; they are all there.</p>
<p>All of which makes me question the sanity and reality of American Progressive Jews who are advocating for more alien invasion. </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t they get the memo ?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[snopercod,: &quot;I’m reading T.E. Lawrence at the moment and that was his evaluation of the Arab culture as well.&quot;

A similar picture comes from &quot;The Haj&quot; by Leon Uris. 

I have a friend who spent three years working on contract for Saudi Airlines. His opinion: &quot;When the oil runs out, they&#039;ll just get on their camels and ride back into the desert. It&#039;s the only thing they know or want to know.&quot;

In actuality the oil money is the main reason the Muslim world has been able to grow its population over the last 70 years. Jordan, Syria,  and Egypt have not been a part of that, but they have received aid from the Gulf States and the West. Egypt and Tunisia are very dependent on tourism. The jihadis have managed to put a spike in the heart of that source of income.  When the oil runs out, things are going to get really desperate there because they can barely support the numbers they have right now.  They could be modern and wealthy. Instead they are backwards and indolent. As Churchill said, they are the most retrograde culture on the face of the Earth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snopercod,: &#8220;I’m reading T.E. Lawrence at the moment and that was his evaluation of the Arab culture as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>A similar picture comes from &#8220;The Haj&#8221; by Leon Uris. </p>
<p>I have a friend who spent three years working on contract for Saudi Airlines. His opinion: &#8220;When the oil runs out, they&#8217;ll just get on their camels and ride back into the desert. It&#8217;s the only thing they know or want to know.&#8221;</p>
<p>In actuality the oil money is the main reason the Muslim world has been able to grow its population over the last 70 years. Jordan, Syria,  and Egypt have not been a part of that, but they have received aid from the Gulf States and the West. Egypt and Tunisia are very dependent on tourism. The jihadis have managed to put a spike in the heart of that source of income.  When the oil runs out, things are going to get really desperate there because they can barely support the numbers they have right now.  They could be modern and wealthy. Instead they are backwards and indolent. As Churchill said, they are the most retrograde culture on the face of the Earth.</p>
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