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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[japan:
Yes. But the Krauts were working to kill Jews, if I remember correctly. You can correct me if necessary.
In the present case, it is the building of really large prisons to house the  actual and future killers. The Muzzies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>japan:<br />
Yes. But the Krauts were working to kill Jews, if I remember correctly. You can correct me if necessary.<br />
In the present case, it is the building of really large prisons to house the  actual and future killers. The Muzzies.</p>
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		By: japan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[japan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 18:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frog

like  how Jews treated in Europe in the past, isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frog</p>
<p>like  how Jews treated in Europe in the past, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		By: ErisGuy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ErisGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 08:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, essentially what makes America better is that we gentrify our ghettos, breaking up racist, hate-filled subcultures before the rot sets in?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, essentially what makes America better is that we gentrify our ghettos, breaking up racist, hate-filled subcultures before the rot sets in?</p>
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		By: Orson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 08:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Germans, and thereby the Eurocracy, are in thrall of honoring the &quot;dignity&quot; of all purported refugees.

This utterly elastic notion of worth means that everything goes: Green Party head Christina Roth says &quot;we cannot say &#039;yes&#039; to 1,000 refugees and &#039;no&#039; to 1001.&quot; Ego, ALL will be accepted. No vetting whatsoever.

By contrast, America has a history of sensible limits on assistance. We have more tradition of self-help, combined with conditional assistance. Even refugees seeking refuge in the US are required to tell the federal government their religion, the parties endangering them and what and when it occurred.

&quot;The Camp of The Saints&quot; is not an old novel - it is reality in Europe, today. And apparently not even 500 innocent civilian casualties will change that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germans, and thereby the Eurocracy, are in thrall of honoring the &#8220;dignity&#8221; of all purported refugees.</p>
<p>This utterly elastic notion of worth means that everything goes: Green Party head Christina Roth says &#8220;we cannot say &#8216;yes&#8217; to 1,000 refugees and &#8216;no&#8217; to 1001.&#8221; Ego, ALL will be accepted. No vetting whatsoever.</p>
<p>By contrast, America has a history of sensible limits on assistance. We have more tradition of self-help, combined with conditional assistance. Even refugees seeking refuge in the US are required to tell the federal government their religion, the parties endangering them and what and when it occurred.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Camp of The Saints&#8221; is not an old novel &#8211; it is reality in Europe, today. And apparently not even 500 innocent civilian casualties will change that.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Because Muslims cannot be reformed or assimilated, which is widely accepted and understood, what  are the Euros to do?
I would cut off all social assistance to the refugees, no free education for non-citizens, guarded residential units (no weapons in or out) and walled-off industrial compounds where each Muslim had a Euro partner in charge of their team, at higher pay. Just for starters. Segregation? Yes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Muslims cannot be reformed or assimilated, which is widely accepted and understood, what  are the Euros to do?<br />
I would cut off all social assistance to the refugees, no free education for non-citizens, guarded residential units (no weapons in or out) and walled-off industrial compounds where each Muslim had a Euro partner in charge of their team, at higher pay. Just for starters. Segregation? Yes.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 04:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cornhead Says:
November 21st, 2015 at 1:23 pm

Islam will never be reformed. Muslims will never fully integrate and assimilate into the West. Best to quarantine them in their home countries.

&#038;&#038;&#038;

Preach it brother.

1,200 years IS A TREND.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cornhead Says:<br />
November 21st, 2015 at 1:23 pm</p>
<p>Islam will never be reformed. Muslims will never fully integrate and assimilate into the West. Best to quarantine them in their home countries.</p>
<p>&amp;&amp;&amp;</p>
<p>Preach it brother.</p>
<p>1,200 years IS A TREND.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 03:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The article is now inaccessible. What gives, I wonder?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is now inaccessible. What gives, I wonder?</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 03:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Teun, 

Very informative, you paint a clear picture. Thank you.

neoneo,

You have been busy today, and special thanks for introducing us to Teun. His is a voice that deserves widespread attention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teun, </p>
<p>Very informative, you paint a clear picture. Thank you.</p>
<p>neoneo,</p>
<p>You have been busy today, and special thanks for introducing us to Teun. His is a voice that deserves widespread attention.</p>
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		By: John F. MacMichael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John F. MacMichael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 23:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Neo for this link.  A very interesting essay.
I take my hat off to Mr. Voeten, this kind of in depth, first hand reporting is very rare and, as such, very valuable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Neo for this link.  A very interesting essay.<br />
I take my hat off to Mr. Voeten, this kind of in depth, first hand reporting is very rare and, as such, very valuable.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 22:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Welcome, teun!  Good piece of yours.

As far as the term &quot;classic liberal&quot; goes---it generally means something different here than it does in most parts of Europe.  In general, the terms in Europe describe positions more to the left than they do here.  For example, European conservatives are less conservative than American conservatives.  European liberals are more liberal than American liberals.  And so on and so forth.

I was referring less to your politics (with which I&#039;m clearly unfamiliar) and more to your social liberalism (which I share to a certain extent, at least a &lt;i&gt;little&lt;/i&gt; bit).  For example, only a social liberal would have the expectations/hopes you describe yourself as having had when you first moved to Molenbeek.

My reference to &quot;classic liberal mugged by reality&quot; was actually meant to be a reference to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://new.spectator.co.uk/2009/09/a-liberal-mugged-by-reality/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;classic Irving Kristol quote&lt;/a&gt; defining a neoconservative as &quot;a liberal mugged by reality.&quot; Not saying you&#039;re a neoconservative, either; it&#039;s just a description of what sometimes happens to such ideals when they meet conditions in the real world.

Just to make it all even more confusing, I used the term &quot;classic liberal.&quot;  But in this country, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;classical&lt;/i&gt; liberal&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (a bit different) actually refers more often to the libertarian end of things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, teun!  Good piece of yours.</p>
<p>As far as the term &#8220;classic liberal&#8221; goes&#8212;it generally means something different here than it does in most parts of Europe.  In general, the terms in Europe describe positions more to the left than they do here.  For example, European conservatives are less conservative than American conservatives.  European liberals are more liberal than American liberals.  And so on and so forth.</p>
<p>I was referring less to your politics (with which I&#8217;m clearly unfamiliar) and more to your social liberalism (which I share to a certain extent, at least a <i>little</i> bit).  For example, only a social liberal would have the expectations/hopes you describe yourself as having had when you first moved to Molenbeek.</p>
<p>My reference to &#8220;classic liberal mugged by reality&#8221; was actually meant to be a reference to the <a href="http://new.spectator.co.uk/2009/09/a-liberal-mugged-by-reality/" rel="nofollow">classic Irving Kristol quote</a> defining a neoconservative as &#8220;a liberal mugged by reality.&#8221; Not saying you&#8217;re a neoconservative, either; it&#8217;s just a description of what sometimes happens to such ideals when they meet conditions in the real world.</p>
<p>Just to make it all even more confusing, I used the term &#8220;classic liberal.&#8221;  But in this country, &#8220;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism" rel="nofollow"><i>classical</i> liberal</a>&#8221; (a bit different) actually refers more often to the libertarian end of things.</p>
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