“@Steve 57

I don’t know what your point is. That Muslim criminals in the no-go zones around Paris wouldn’t do business with jihadists because they’re too busy drinking champagne and getting laid? Seriously, I was just pointing out that Muslims everywhere can count on support wherever they go — even if they appear to Westerners to be ‘nominally’ Muslim.”

No, my point is that they’ll do business with the jihadists but not not out some sense of pan-Muslim unity. They’ll do business with them for the same reason the criminal gangs in the non-Muslim banliues will do business with them, and the same reason the Mexican drug cartels will do business with them. Because they’re criminals, and they’re in it for the cash.

If ISIS wasn’t rolling in cash from the million dollars a day they’ve been making selling oil from the safe havens Barack Obama let them have, and also from the millions of dollars they make from ransoming hostages, they’d find a lot less support in La Zone and elsewhere in Europe.

Good! I have long advocated going after the radical imams. They are the source of a lot of the radicalism. They and their families don’t do “martyrdom operations” – those are for the young canon fodder Muslims. Eliminating the Qutbist, Wahhabist, Salafist imams would create a chance for a “cafeteria” approach to the Quran to take place.

Our leaders need to be vocal about our intentions. We want to live in peace and tolerance with all peoples and nations. We bear ill will toward no one. But when we are being threatened and attacked by people who are Muslims, we have to defend ourselves. If the Muslim ummah cannot live in peace and tolerance with other people, then they must either change their beliefs or be ready to be unconditionally defeated by the non-Muslim world. That is the choice that they have. It is what is in front of us. Our leadership needs to speak out loud and clear on this issue.

I don’t know what your point is. That Muslim criminals in the no-go zones around Paris wouldn’t do business with jihadists because they’re too busy drinking champagne and getting laid? Seriously, I was just pointing out that Muslims everywhere can count on support wherever they go – even if they appear to Westerners to be “nominally” Muslim.

@Steve 57

“…That’s a Westerner’s take. Even being a nominal Muslim provides you with a lot of contacts, help, refuge, extended family, “tribe”, etc. no matter where in the world you travel. Muslims don’t call each other brother and sister for nothing. This is something atomized Westerner’s don’t seem to get…”

Uhh, no, it’s a comment on the culture of the North and West African banliues whether Muslim or not. I said the majority of the population of these banliues are Muslim, but not an overwhelming majority. Probably 40% are not. And it doesn’t make a great deal of difference. The defining features of the culture are the criminality and anti-Western extremism. They are a culture apart, and hate “official” French society for its racism, colonialism,imperialism, what have you. They are not the criminals selling drugs or running prostitution rings or stealing or torching cars but noble warriors and its the cops and the officialdom that are corrupt and no-good. It’s not true, but it’s part of the psychological ghetto they build for themselves to go with neighborhood ghetto the French built for them.

And of course the “official society can really care less about them as long as they only foul their own nests. Police rarely go into the zones sensible, or sensitive zones known collectively as La Zone. If the police do go in, it’s in force to bust heads like they’re doing now.

Yes, Muslim banliues have a few extra frills but not enough to make a huge difference. It gives them a few extra reasons to indulge in their Jew Hatred and lash out, but all of them can find plenty of rationales for that anyway. And it isn’t as if Islam has cornered the market on tribalism. That’s what gangland is, a collection of warring tribes. The ummah is just another gang, Which is why Islam does so well in prison. And it doesn’t matter where; in France, in the UK, in the US, whereever.

Heh, guess again. France was notable for their resistance to OIF, UN or no UN, due to various profit motivating schemes and other dumb luck ideas about how terrorism runs.

The trouble in France is that the children of those who arrived much later never assimilated and identify as muslims exclusively and have no connection to French culture. The French brought this upon themselves. It will require years to smoke out these barbarians if the French have the will to be thorough and the patience to see it through. I doubt it.